Can we please do something about this?

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11-09-2017, 01:28 PM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

You do know that Dark Matter repairs add 100% durability to your gear, right? It doesn't set it to 100%. If your gear was at 10% durability, repairing it with Dark Matter would make it 110%.

Wasn't aware it "overcharged" it. Honestly haven't used that feature much since I responsibly repair as often as I can at the NPC =] .. the other points still stand though.
11-09-2017, 02:19 PM
Selova

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Snip.

You make some good and sensible points, I guess that even if a system were in place to try to prevent it people that intentionally grief others will always find a way around it to do so. I concede.
11-09-2017, 04:26 PM
Aylis

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Originally Posted by Canadane

We need both the debuffs and the option to repair other people back.

and make the debuff icon large enough to fill the screen. Translucent enough to see and move around, but visibly annoying enough to make people want to repair their gear to get rid of the thing.
11-09-2017, 08:22 PM
dayspring83

You keep saying that vote kick should not be the only option...well that's true except when the person is clearly trolling you.

What reasonable person doesn't either leave and eat the penalty or fix their gear? Let alone call you an elitist for pointing out that their gear was broken?

I agree with the first few replies...vote kick and move on. There is already a warning that says your gear is broken before joining the instance.
11-10-2017, 02:10 AM
Paladinleeds

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

And just so people can't refuse to let others repair their gear (in case of trolls), make it so that crafters can force-repairs on others. I also know this sounds like it could be abused to steal others' gil, so to prevent this, make it so that gear cannot be repaired once it goes above 100% durability, so that a crafter can only repair a person's gear once.

And if they refuse to let someone repair their gear, they're being a nuisance to the party and would likely come under harassment. Kick and move on. Someone who genuinely forgot to repair their gear will accept it, move on no problems. But if they're refusing to allow someone to repair their gear and you force it on them, they'll just troll in other ways and you'll end up having to kick anyway.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

that is a rude way to go about it. I would have called you an E too. Just saying, try to be nicer next time rather then a jerk. Way you went about it put them on the spot causing them to get defensive.

And then how do you approach it? No matter how you say it, someone is gonna take offence. I try to be nice about things myself but eventually you're going to hit the "Political Correctness Gone Mad" syndrome.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

when you don't know why their gear was broke. Or if the queue pop'ed before they could repair.

Asking questions helps.

See earlier point, doesn't matter if you ask questions in the nicest possible way, someone will take offence to it and call you an E. Again, you run the risk of having political correctness gone mad. Could she have phrased it better? Sure. But she clearly explained what she thought was the issue. That doesn't warrant being called an elitist.
11-10-2017, 02:12 AM
BigRed5392

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Originally Posted by Selova

I literally said word for word, and i quote: "So, going to go out on a limb here and assume your gear is broken heals, with 9k hp and all." word for word exactly how i said it. I only brought up the wasting the groups time when he called me a elitest for no reason. I never said one thing regarding the quality of his gear.

that is a rude way to go about it. I would have called you an E too. Just saying, try to be nicer next time rather then a jerk. Way you went about it put them on the spot causing them to get defensive. when you don't know why their gear was broke. Or if the queue pop'ed before they could repair.

Asking questions helps.
11-10-2017, 02:14 AM
BigRed5392

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Originally Posted by dayspring83

You keep saying that vote kick should not be the only option...well that's true except when the person is clearly trolling you.

What reasonable person doesn't either leave and eat the penalty or fix their gear? Let alone call you an elitist for pointing out that their gear was broken?

I agree with the first few replies...vote kick and move on. There is already a warning that says your gear is broken before joining the instance.

can't say what they said wasn't rude either....
11-10-2017, 02:16 AM
Nora_of_Mira

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

can't say what they said wasn't rude either....

you're rude. see how easy that is?
11-10-2017, 02:40 AM
Mysterysword

For all of the people saying we should just kick and move on: I don't like getting slapped with a 4-hour timer on vote kicking when it's easily possible to run into more than 1 awful troll, or just plain awful person, in that time window.

And frankly, I know this is petty, but I just want to find a way to personally punish trolls that the OP described. Even if it's something as small as taking their gil away.
11-10-2017, 02:42 AM
alimdia

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

can't say what they said wasn't rude either....

I feel like you're being a contrarian for the sake of it, the point of the topic is that the system allows people to queue to duties with broken gear.
11-10-2017, 02:45 AM
Paladinleeds

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

I know this is petty, but I just want to find a way to personally punish trolls that the OP described. Even if it's something as small as taking their gil away.

And that opens the door to abuse. Someone at 99% durability instead of 100%? Let's take their gil away because we want to troll (not saying you will personally, but trolls will). There's a fine balancing act here. That's why I'm ok with being able to repair others gear but not forcing it upon them. Yeah, you'll potentially run into another bad player, but it's only the vote kick initiator that gets the 4hr cooldown. You have 2 other party members who can potentially initiate that vote kick. Sure SE can rebalance the cooldown on it, but they're trying to prevent abuse, which your force repair and taking their gil away system will cause. You can't account for everything, but I don't think replacing one set of trollish behaviour with another set of inherently abusive behaviour will help.
11-10-2017, 03:41 AM
Claviusnex

How about allowing you to leave and reenter the instance? This would allow a player to repair their gear and would likely require less wait time than kicking and finding a replacement. If the refuse to go fix it or start trolling by leaving and not returning they could still be kicked.
11-10-2017, 04:32 AM
ColeSlawter

This happens how frequently? I have a hard time buying this is an epidemic far and wide ... and the OP wants to stop development on other more important stuff in order to develop something that will fix a problem they have probably only experienced once in their life and likely will not experience again.

While finding a solution to this is not needed, I do agree that we should be able to repair other people's gear. It should be via request from the owner of the gear (like it was in 1.x). Requester must offer either the dark matter (if they have it) or the gil (locked to value of dark matter). If gil is offered and the crafter has the dark matter then they get the gil. If gil is offered and the crafter does not have the dark matter then they get and lose nothing. Can be done in open world or instances.
11-10-2017, 04:45 AM
Avatre

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Originally Posted by ColeSlawter

This happens how frequently? I have a hard time buying this is an epidemic far and wide

I agree with you on that. In the past month, I've ran into one person who has said they had broken gear...and that was in Rabanasty at the final boss.
11-10-2017, 07:00 AM
Selova

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

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In no way, shape or form was what I said and the way I said it rude or have anything to do with elitism. The healer was instantly dying from standing in any aoe, heals doing nothing on the tank and he had heavensward level hp values. If you are signing up to do Content with others and you are doing something that intentionally impedes your groups progress, trolling otherwise, you deserve to be called out and believe me what I said pales in comparison that what I've seen other not-so-tolerable say towards others in a similar situation. I just happened to have above-normal patience that day and didn't feel like initiating a VTK, I just wanted to get it over with. There was nothing wrong with what I said.
11-10-2017, 07:16 AM
DarkDedede

If a player queues as a healer or tank, and once the duty starts, the game should just auto-repair their gear as a bonus reward for queuing as a healer or tank.
11-10-2017, 09:09 AM
Gemina

Preventing being able to queue when gear is below a certain percentage would definitely help, but I hate the idea of SE having to implement fail-safes when something like gear condition is ridiculously easy to manage. Why do so many players need their hands held?
11-10-2017, 09:26 AM
BillyKaplan

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Why do so many players need their hands held?

Setting aside any argument in favor of helping people, this is an MMO. They can't clear content for them, but they can at least try and make sure that one player's carelessness doesn't impact the play time of anywhere between 3 and 23 other people.
11-11-2017, 07:58 AM
Cakekizyy

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I wish that we, as crafters, could repair our gear in dungeon and optionally repair others' gear at the same price as the mender outside of the dungeon.

Aren't dark matters cheaper than using npc? Even more so since it repairs to higher quality.
11-25-2017, 03:34 AM
Lmcgyver

I do find it odd how there is an auto-translate for "Can you repair it for me?", and yet there isn't a way to repair others' gear. I was confused for a while upon discovering that phrase in the dictionary.

In my opinion, you should be able to ask someone to repair your gear in an instance if you are unable to do so yourself. Sure, it's not something you can rely on (being that there may not be someone capable of the repairs), but it would alleviate some cases where someone genuinely missed the message. I like the idea to make it so that it's possible to repair someone's gear by either using their own dark matter, using your dark matter and receiving gil compensation from them, or just using their gil.
As for forcing repairs on another player... no. If a player doesn't want to accept your offer to repair their gear due to them stuffing up, then they shouldn't be in the duty.
11-25-2017, 04:45 AM
Sylvina

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Originally Posted by Kurando

It's also quite possible the AST knew exactly what they were doing and either wanted to try some ridiculous challenge or were basically trolling. I say this as I've come across a couple of players that purposely went on in some SB duties with their base class. No joke, try beating Susano when your WHM seems to think it's cool to do it as CNJ. Yes eventually we kicked them but we didn't notice right away once the heals were less frequent and the co-healer was running out of mp like nobodies business to pick up the slack.

Perhaps there should be percentage requirement of your gear before players are allowed to enter, maybe 30% or 40% and anything less the player needs to repair before they can queue.

Yeah I'd understand if the AST was trying a ridiculous challenge, but if they're gonna do that don't pug it, make a group with friends.

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