Rant about Shinryu Farm/Clear parties

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

It is ridiculous, period.

The only reason I don't make PF on my own is because the time it takes to fill up as a dps job (as a tank I don't mind). It has nothing to do with the ilv. From my point of view, people just want to be carried by high ilv on those farm parties nstead of skill.

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I think you're putting too much weight on i330 gear vs i320. It's better, sure, but not a substitute for knowing mechanics and how to play your class. Claiming they're just high ilvl carry parties bereft of skill because they ask for a slightly higher ilvl is silly.

There's a reason why groups are asking for high item levels. The majority of players who try to run it are complete garbage.

It took me several days of running Shinryu EX non-stop just to get a single clear, yet I pretty much knew the fight 100% after just a few attempts. When it comes down to it, Shinryu EX is really not a difficult fight. Phase 1 is easily the hardest part. But the problem is that a lot of players keep making the same stupid mistakes on Phase 1, regardless of item level. Yet all of Shineyu's mechanics are easily avoidable by any semi-competent player.

So, that is why people ask for higher item levels. It serves two purposes. It allows the party to skip mechanics, and it is the only real gauge with which you can somewhat check a player's competence. A player who only has an item level of 320 on his main class has probably never even cleared a boss in Omega Savage, and can't possibly be anywhere near competent enough to tackle Shinryu EX.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

(snip)This comunity is getting so toxic.

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Its their parties, they can set the Ilvl any way they want. If you have issues make your own party with your own rules. You are not entitled to join a party. Farm parties since the invent of mmo have always had farm groups set to higher gear. This makes beating it on gear alone a sure thing.

Making friends is part of a true mmo experience, it isn't toxic to state such a thing, and to be frank your post is more toxic as you feel entitled to join everyone's party with low end gear.

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

Hey, instead of requiring DPS to skip mechanics, why don't you EFFING LEARN TO DO THEM?

this has gone long enough

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Not trying to side with or against the OP, but wanting to skip mechanics is a legit way to play. Less mechanics means less things to learn, which means less time required to learn the fight before you clear. It also reduces the chance of people making mistakes which may potentially wipe the group.

Stop crying and open your own PF

After reading the title and opening this post I am truly surprised this post complains about the minimum ilevel requirements for Shinryu parties rather than the lack of player competence. I killed Shinryu a few days ago and I am yet to join a [Duty Complete] farm party that can actually reliably complete the fight. It seems very apparent that majority of the players either got lucky and/or got carried through the fight with most of the party consisting of a static.

As for your concerns regarding the ilevel requirements, most of the farm parties out there are ones for the mount. It's absolutely understandable that players will be looking for other well geared players to skip as many parts of the fight as possible and reduce the time it takes to complete the fight. You should open your own PF for weapon farming, considering that the weapon isn't relevant to a lot of players with the 340/345 weapons available.

oh, this song and dance again.

OP, Make your own parties and do your own rotations, then, when you are done flailing about and cursing your incompetence, watch youtube and conform to the masses.

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Originally Posted by Dameron

There's a reason why groups are asking for high item levels. The majority of players who try to run it are complete garbage.

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This, unfortunately. Frustrated with the several trap parties I found, I decided to start my PF with a high ilvl requirement (and your usual "high dps please" comment that nobody seems to read before joining). Even if the other members aren't great, the high ilvl will at least be enough to have some decent dps, I thought. Also, if they're 335+ it means they could clear some omega savage turns, so they can't be too bad. Alas, we didn't even manage to skip the divebomb. What a joke.

This BS is why I've lost interest in endgame raids altogether. I have no interest in even dealing with cliques (let's just do away with the "make friends" trope straightaway) who are little more than blind FFlogs slaves looking for easy clears.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

This BS is why I've lost interest in endgame raids altogether. I have no interest in even dealing with cliques (let's just do away with the "make friends" trope straightaway) who are little more than blind FFlogs slaves looking for easy clears.

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Yeah, its bad enough meeting Toxic Cliques in roulettes or in the game world.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon

There is a second aerial blast? What?

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What is aerial blast?

People complaining about party leaders who set up rules for their own parties... Is this for real?

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

It is ridiculous, period.

The only reason I don't make PF on my own is because the time it takes to fill up as a dps job (as a tank I don't mind). It has nothing to do with the ilv. From my point of view, people just want to be carried by high ilv on those farm parties nstead of skill. They want a run where tey can die 2~3 times and still get the kill. And you sound like one of those people, congratulation. Remember me to never join your trap party. (Oh, you are from gilgamesh, I'm safe)

Also, I have V1S~V4S on farm, like Ayer said, I'm talking about alts.

Hey guys lets farm for a 335 weapon, but you must be ilv 335 ok? Ok.

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https://i.imgur.com/OWqFjcG.jpg?1

Whats funny to me is all these phase3/final phase groups that want to practice it but don't even bother using the final phase practice option from the duty options list. Lots of em don't even get to it but maybe 2-3 times out of all their tries to even practice it.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

People complaining about party leaders who set up rules for their own parties... Is this for real?

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This is a recurrent complaint, actually. And it's quite silly, to be honest. There are many players that think they have the right to whine about pf requirements and still they can't be bothered to start their own.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

This is a recurrent complain, actually. And it's quite silly, to be honest. There are many players that think they have the right to whine about pf requirements and still they can't be bothered to start their own.

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i still havent cleared myself , but Im on final phase and this is true people will join the groups pretty quickly so I kinda dont get the issue the op is having. Each time Ive made a group its filled in less than 5 mins but they could just really be frustrated so I guess I get that to.

The problem isn't oh well make your own party. It is the fact when you try to clear content or learn people are putting ridiculous ilvls requirements. I don't care what ilvl you want for farming that is your preference but for clearing or learning you have to be 10-15 ilvls higher and excluding certain jobs for faster lb when you don't even understand how icicles work is just sad. But hey this has been an issue since primal extremes. My favorite was when everybody thought you had to calculate the meteor math for sophia's tilt for the first few weeks, and convincing people to just count tethers to see if they were even or odd was such a struggle.

You know the usual XPF rules. When someone says final phase party, you are going to get people who definitely seen it, dead. But never alive to even play that phase.