Most healers I've run with get pissed off if I heal, as if I'm insulting their ability to do their job. Frequent Mana Shifts is usually enough to get a commendation from most healers along with not taking unnecessary damage.
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10-17-2017, 01:52 PMCale_Imrik
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10-17-2017, 03:00 PMLuminiariTHIS. I mostly see Healers struggling with their MP usage, usually because of overzealous DPS and Tanks deciding to take a dip in AOEs for funsies, and if I'm just doing my usual rotations then I don't need my unnecessarily huge MP pool (not a bad thing pls dun nerf my MP Mr Producer sir) so it may as well go to the people who need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cale_Imrik
Buuuuut if a healer expects me, a DPS, to stop doing my job so I can do theirs while they do mine? Lolnope. Be a DPS class or shut up. -
10-17-2017, 09:02 PMDarkkosNo! I main Rdm and my second job is Astro. If I see a rdm casting vercure I get mad because I feel like they think I dont do my job well.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
Healer : You heal
Rdm : You dps and raises the healers if both are dead. You shouldnt have to cast a single vercure if you do the mechanics right.Not. A. Single. One. And if youre dpsing instead of healing... My 4.5k dps says i dont give a shit about your not even 1.5 dps.
Do you job as a healer or switch to dps. -
10-17-2017, 09:10 PMLeigaon
Taking time to jump into both jobs, now that tanking is over. First there isn't any real reason for any healer to get upset. Seems like people are nitpicking things a bit too far. If someone gets upset over something like this, it's usually a problem they have with themselves.
We should have enough co-op sense to see the benefits of a RDM that decides to cure, not cure or just give out a mana shift to the healer.
Playing RDM, getting vercure finally. I can say the mentality of healing sticks with me. I will throw a cure, erase or mana shift something catches my eye.
It's not that you're not doing your job as a healer, but look at it another way. That opening allows you time to do other things. Take the scenario out of just being able to nuke. Adjust to what has just happened rather than stay stuck in predicting and getting annoyed it didn't go your way.
At the same time, we have a list of things we need to do as a job / role. A red mage self healing is on there but doesn't hold priority above a healer who needs to throw them a cure instead. Nothing wrong with damage dealing / curing as any job. Just know where the general priorities are for your role. That's where we all get so upset over things, what is 1,2,3 for me isn't the same for the next person. -
10-17-2017, 10:00 PMDualgunnerI'm gonna say...no. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-18-2017, 03:11 AMMimiluBut... MY DEEPS...! OK...? Good...Quote:
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10-18-2017, 03:25 AMZarabethI'm thinking both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pence
I know this is going to be confusing for you OP but try to keep up. Healers first priority is healing! I know, I know, so confusing right? It gets worse! DPS jobs are actually supposed to DPS first and toss a heal if the healer is failling to do their job (hint: a healer's job is to heal). If you want to be a dps roll a dps job. No matter what healing job you are on you are not going to out-dps a red mage.
Before you freak on me, know that I am a WHM and also a RDM. I tend to knee-jerk heal if the healer needs help. However if the healer is simply not doing their job and are spending their time dpsing, no heals for you! -
10-18-2017, 03:34 AMAvatreI tend to do that...but with raises...even if the healer is perfectly fine and doesn't require any assistance...it's just a reaction to seeing someone dead. More often than not I get yelled at...but I blame my quick reactions for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabeth
To OP, if I had a neon sign a-la Mask(with the glowing arrows...pretty sure it's when he was trying to get the girl to sit with him for dinner - been a while since I saw the movie) that said "Not my priority unless you're dead!", would that work? -
10-18-2017, 03:44 AMJCT
I'd just like the RM to verraise me if I mess up a mechanic and die...and for all of us not just the RM to run away from big red circles of death.
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10-18-2017, 04:00 AMDeathgiver
OP's # of posts:19
OP's # of posts with weird use of ellipsis: 19
OP's # of posts with all caps words for emphasis: 19
OP's # of posts that create meaningful discussion: 0
5/7 would read post history again! -
10-18-2017, 09:09 AMBillyKaplanOnly if you can raise yourself when Hashmal comes knocking. Deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-18-2017, 11:31 AMKalinOrthos
Good lord. Looking at the OP's post history gave me an actual headache. Ignore this...person?...at all costs, lest ye too be pulled within the gnashing maw of madness.
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10-18-2017, 11:41 AMKohdoQuote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-18-2017, 12:27 PMRuri
RDM = DPS only use heal or raise in emergency not constantly
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10-18-2017, 04:36 PMAwha
I would like to give you a rating of 5/10, but in light of hitting 6 pages I will pump you up to a 6.5/10. Next time put some work into your post though, most people caught on fairly quick.
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10-18-2017, 05:24 PMIlyrian
Was better without the second post – but points for effort.
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10-18-2017, 07:34 PMNeeladont get me wrong I won't support the OP - but I never understand why people play support dds if they don't want to support "if necessary". It's like Brds pre SB who didn't use songs at all. I mean thats why you chose the cls, isn't it? Knowing how and when to use your support skills above own dps. Rdms who don't use their skills intuitive are bad even if they hit the 5k+ parse. Seeing a Rdm who gives a fuck about a struggling healer is as bad as a Rdm who heals all the way - Hybrid cls need hybrid priorities... its lame to say may icon is red I'll just blowing things up all the way - you are green so mind your own business... if you feel like that go for a raw dd like blm or sam... else don't be that tunnel viewed : /Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkkos
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10-18-2017, 07:57 PM_Enigma_
Like WOW.....! Wow. DPS players are the MOST selfish people ive EVER seen....! Can't even spare 1 HEAL....! I'm VERY disappoint....
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10-18-2017, 08:10 PMKalinOrthosHi pot, my name's kettle.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-18-2017, 08:12 PMPenceThere should never be a reason they should need too? It's not their job. Their job is to deal damage. If you can't keep a party up in a four man - which are all stupidly undertuned and easy - then you're just.......on another level.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-18-2017, 08:26 PMDarkkos
Read my post, I said Im supportinf my group. But dont expect me to do the healers jobs. me and my healers (In my static) we got really good communication. I see when they just used swiftcast, so ofc I will raise if they cant or if theres a lot of raid damage incoming and they need to focus on healing. Please read my post totaly before quoting me. Thx
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10-18-2017, 09:02 PMJkap_Goat
I main AST so healing is second nature to me, as a red mage i use vecure if im away from the healer or if i see the healer struggling and if the other party members are about to die from a mechanic ( for example the new raid), if vercure is part of my toolkit, i will use it when/ if nessesary. Kinda like bards with song ( never played bard)
You can disagree with the OP instead of insulting her/him people. -
10-18-2017, 09:18 PMNeelaactually this <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat
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10-18-2017, 11:19 PMAgeofwar
As an RDM I only self heal if I don't trust the healer, which is most healers in duty finder.
when I have tried really hard to trust the healer, I noramlly find myself flat on my back dead. -
10-18-2017, 11:44 PMsilverlunarfoxI met a pld that worked clemency IN HIS ROTATION....Quote:
Originally Posted by KDSilver
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10-19-2017, 12:59 AMAwhaI agree second post did kill the little momentum they had going, but in the end result was not so bad. I got a few laughs out of the responses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilyrian
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10-19-2017, 01:57 AMDraxxion
Do disagree with the OP. It is not the job of a dps to do the healers job. RDM also has Tether. It doesn't mean they should use it all the time or make it part of their regular kit. The tool is there and there are times and places to use it. Doing the healers job is not one of them with Vercure. That is what the healer is there for, to heal. If the healer is not there or not doing there job then possibly depending on situation. If the healer is not there or not doing their job then there clearly are other problems that need adressing ( tank not waiting for healer, healer being lazy, etc. )
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10-19-2017, 02:55 AMJkap_GoatI was agreeing with your post too neela !Quote:
Originally Posted by Neela
" Seeing a Rdm who gives a fuck about a struggling healer is as bad as a Rdm who heals all the way - Hybrid cls need hybrid priorities... its lame to say may icon is red I'll just blowing things up all the way - you are green so mind your own business... if you feel like that go for a raw dd like blm or sam... else don't be that tunnel viewed : /" - neela
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10-19-2017, 03:23 AMDarkkos
Yeah, but the Op clearly said she want us to use vercure when shes busy dpsing. So nope. I wont do your job (Which is HEALING) When youre too busy doing mine (Which is MAINLY dpsing)
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10-19-2017, 04:55 AMFluffernuffIf Vercure is as powerful as you make it out to be, then let me have your healer queue time and kick out the actual healers for another DPS. We obviously don't need healers anymore with your mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
I have an assignment for you. First of all, before you talk about RDM in content, you might want to start on getting that to 70 first. As of the time of this post, lodestone says you're level 65 RDM. seriously, get on that. There's this thing called "credibility" you need before you start insulting people that are clearly more invested than you.
Second, once you acheive that, go into any Expert roulette dungeon, Omega(both normal and savage), The EX primals(Lakshmi, Susano, and Shinryu), and Rabanastre. Start using Vercure as often as you expect us to. Note down your DPS. Note down your Healer's DPS.
Now that you've done the above, forget Vercure exists. Don't use it once. Once again, note your DPS and the healer's DPS.
I can promise, guarantee, stake my housing plot, FC, and subscription to you, that the latter will yield higher DPS numbers for BOTH you and the healers involved. Why? It's simple, really.
HEALERS ARE NOT BALANCED WITH A RELIANCE ON RDM'S VERCURE!
Healers are not going to stop healing just because we are. Their DPS numbers aren't going to magically skyrocket because we heal. -
10-19-2017, 06:07 AMPrismaticDaybreakYou're either a mediocre troll or a very very very very bad healer, or both. I'm assuming both. The ellipses and random caps locks don't do you any favors.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-19-2017, 06:36 AMElkanahFixed. ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
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10-19-2017, 06:46 AMElkanahYou realize that 90% of PLD's who USE clemency in their DPS rotation and hate is because it allows the healers to DPS more? OR do you not play tank? Cause it sounds like you've never speed run as a PLD or have obtained Clemency. Clemency + Shield Oath + MP regain from constant hits Sheltron = more clemency.Quote:
Originally Posted by KDSilver
Healing generates hate for PLD's, similar to flash but with more MP consumption and just as much enmity generation. Before you speak up, please make sure you understand how PLD works.
Unlike RDM having or needing to veracure because healers don't have the right equipment to do their job properly, PLD's play properly. -
10-19-2017, 07:13 AMFluffernuffAnd you are? using Clemency severely messes with requiescat's timing and replaces a holy spirit cast during it. Clemency is just as limited as Vercure, but is infinitely less spammable due to it's cost. If you're using Clemency in PUGs in the vain attempt to bump healer DPS, you fall into the same trap as vercuring for the same reason. Using clemency in this way will only reliably yield that result if there's communication between you and the healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
It's not something that will make healers instantly do better. Pretty sure 9 out of 10 skilled healers aren't banking on a clemency to throw their rocks. I believe in healers to account for my stupid.
I havent looked up or researched any of the formulas for enmity generation, but considering healing does reduced enmity per target in combat... having you claim that clemency does the same aggro generation as Flash sounds completely absurd. and even if it WERE the case, flash is... half the cost of a single clemency? that sounds extremely inefficient. -
10-19-2017, 08:21 AMIlanIf you are a bad healer and keep on dpsing while your tank is going to die, yes it is way to much to ask since you are the healer and not the red mage in your party. I could not even understand your complains towards the red mages if you have a bad geared or just bad tank who is squishy because you should call out the tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Enigma_
Raising on the other hand is no big thing for a red mage and i personaly do that if necessary but not every damn time if someone dies especially not if the healer lets people die on purpose aka "maaaaaaah deeeps is more important".
If i'm healing and the red mage in my party heals around like crazy i'll get pissed because healing is my job and not his/hers. -
10-19-2017, 09:06 AMElkanahSo basically you don't play PLD at all. Got it. Speaks volumes of your in ability to understand what the usage is for. That's all I really needed to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffernuff
Clemency generates hate, similar to heals. Although PLD being a TANK class, it generates more hate, as opposed to a healer. PLD's use it as much in their rotation when tanking throughout a dungeon. We're not talking about raids, but dungeons. And yes, a good pld would use it during add phase, as much as flash. Your CD's are one thing, and those should always be used. Req is a great tool to have, and should be utilized on bosses. Adds in newer content deal more damage than they did in HW and ARR.
You should really play PLD if you haven't to better understand its ability, which you seem to lack knowledge of :l
RDM's don't require having to use veracure unless
A) Your healer is stupid
B) lack of ability to play job and can't keep up with heals or no gear
C) You purposely stand in stuff and aren't paying attention
PLD:
A) Helps healer dps (this is already a topic in itself)
B) Knows how Shield oath works with the rate at blocks/CD's + 10 points every block with the new shield oath gauge
C) Knows when and how to time both flash + clemency + sheltron -
10-19-2017, 09:24 AMJukebox12The formal of healing every pt of healing is .5. But why use clemency when you can use flash which has a multiplier and cost less mp. Also you should never be doing clemency unless the healers are busy during progession.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffernuff
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10-19-2017, 09:28 AMElkanahEnmity generation on pld is as much as flash. While yes, you can use flash much more per 1 clemency, you're also taking damage at the same time. But healing that damage + gaining enmity while allowing the healer to free up dpsing makes for a much easier time than having a healer stand there and do nothing for about 5 minutes watching netflix when clearing content can take less time with this tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jukebox12
Your rdm should be focusing on DPS. Your pld's taking the enmity generation during shield oath and keeping himself alive, to free up that time for healers to push. honestly, I get the most comms because my healers love me on pld more than war and drk. drks mitigation (even though I love my drk), is not as good as PLD's with clemency. Even with the buff to WAR, while it's in a much better position now, than it was in before, pld still reigns supreme on heals to self and mitigation in between dpsing and freeing up healer time dps with less chances of death.
Rdm potency is nice, but not as good as pld's.
RDM is 300.
PLD is 1200. -
10-19-2017, 09:37 AMPrismaticDaybreak
Guys no.... you're feeding it.
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10-19-2017, 09:41 AMDualgunnerHOW...could...YOU...say...THATQuote:
Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak