So an FC on midgardsormer bought 60 plots...

No ones mad at the FC. No one blames the FC AT ALL for just doing what the game let them do. It’s all a game issue and we are aware of this.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

That's exactly what I said.. ?

The housing for FC and personal should not be the same plot, plain and simple. When housing was first introduced it was for FC's only. It wasn't until much later when they added personal housing. As for specific restrictions, I was referring to selling plots specifically for FCs. Congrats for blowing that out of proportion.

Again, no, not what I said. What I meant was FC should've been giving priority for housing. Then once the market settled down, open up personal housing.

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FC first, then solo housing doesn't solve the underlying issue with housing shortage. Right now at a ratio of what 1000:1, houses are better than gold. Personally, I don't want a house. I think it's a waste of time effort and money. For a ton of people, it's THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of the game, especially for FCs for access to airships, and to give their members a communal location. So, yea setting a priority to FC first then solo would be useful to some degree, but it's not difficult to build up a rank 6 FC just to purchase an FC house to resell. Again, doesn't solve the underlying issues; just shifts the requirements to obtain the house in the first place.

The title to this thread is click baity.

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Originally Posted by PrincessMarbleSays

It’s unfair because why would everyone need houses when rooms and large plots for FCs work perfectly fine. What’s wrong with being considerate and limiting yourselves to one?

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Ah, the classic "they actually didnt do anything wrong, I'm just jealous" argument

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

Ah, the classic "they actually didnt do anything wrong, I\\\\'m just jealous" argument

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Lol sure that’s EXACTLY I meant. Posted this whole thread over jealousy, not genuine disheartenment for the entire situation.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

What's the difference between players who happen to be in the same FC owning individual houses in a ward vs random people owning individual houses in a ward? Are you trying to tell me that simply being associated with an FC should preclude you from owning personal housing? Now I've heard it all...

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The issue is not ownership, it's availability. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I do not personally GAF about housing. I bought a room in the FC (twice) that I never use. We have a mansion I'm never at. I do not participate in FC crafting or anything. It's there for people that want it and that's fine with me. I'll help if someone needs help but it's not my thing. I don't care.

That doesn't mean I can't look at a problem and speculate about what makes it worse/what can make it better. So, I stand by my position that new housing wards should be prioritized so that FC's have the first shot at them. FC housing is simply more important than individual housing. Once the dust settles, they can expand the server space or open up new wards, whatever, to accommodate for personal housing. Even something as sensible as "Wards 1-6 for FC, wards 7-12 for personal" would've been better than this mess.

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Originally Posted by Llus

This is not at all what it appeared as though you were saying.

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I mean..

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There should've been FC housing first, then personal housing added later like the other residential districts.

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They shouldn't be fighting for the same plots, no.

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Then you pulled this out of thin air:

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Seems to me that this boils down to "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!"

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When I didn't say anything at all about whether I got a plot or didn't.

I get it, people are tired of looking at the same scenery they've been looking at for 3 years. People want to live in the shiny new houses instead of the old run-down ones. People want to live next to the beach instead of in a forest or desert. That's all understandable. The Devs should've taken this into consideration and worked to mitigate as much as they could. Maybe they did and it could've been worse. Or maybe they saw the potential problem and just said "Eff it". Who knows. People are going to do whatever is in their power to do, so I'm not necessarily blaming them, I'm squarely blaming the devs for *seemingly* not giving a shit lol

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

The issue is not ownership, it's availability. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I do not personally GAF about housing. I bought a room in the FC (twice) that I never use. We have a mansion I'm never at. I do not participate in FC crafting or anything. It's there for people that want it and that's fine with me. I'll help if someone needs help but it's not my thing. I don't care.

That doesn't mean I can't look at a problem and speculate about what makes it worse/what can make it better. So, I stand by my position that new housing wards should be prioritized so that FC's have the first shot at them. FC housing is simply more important than individual housing. Once the dust settles, they can expand the server space or open up new wards, whatever, to accommodate for personal housing. Even something as sensible as "Wards 1-6 for FC, wards 7-12 for personal" would've been better than this mess.

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First, the quote about "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!" was aimed at this thread and others like it. Many many people complaining about other people getting plots and reselling them, entire wards filled with private ownership etc, then this one came out and this jewel of a comment:

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Originally Posted by Rymm

If this is true (can't log in myself right now to confirm or not,) that is absolutely outrageous. This is the kind of d*ck behavior that makes the entire housing mess so much worse. But while you (the OP) are very understandably upset, limiting plots to FCs only would not solve this issue, only increase the number of one-member shell FCs who buy plots for individual players. SE must revamp or expand the housing system if there is going to be any end to the shortages or the horrible behavior that stems from it.

I had hoped that apartments would be the precursor to actual, viable instanced housing, but the more time that passes with SE not building upon that foundation, the dimmer that possibility seems.

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D*ck behavior and outrageous. Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to. Doesn't matter if they're all from the same FC. Doesn't matter what their motives for buying were. To several people in this thread the fact that they BOUGHT the plots is D*ck behavior and outrageous. In the end, this thread isn't about addressing the problems with the housing situation. There are MANY other threads that are doing that. But this kind of salty click-bait thread won't help the situation any more than putting an arbitrary restriction on who can purchase houses. My 1st and 2nd house purchase 2 years ago was done through a solo FC I created, I watched the housing districts looking for plots opening up and bought a medium; then when a large popped up I dropped my med and got a lg. Eventually ended up giving away the LG to a newbie crafter and deleting my characters. It took less than a week to get a solo FC to rank 6; so FC restrictions really won't help especially with scalpers. It will lower the number of people going for a house, but not so much that hundreds of people won't still miss out on an FC house and then when private sales go up, the demand would be even larger for the even more limited resources.

Square Enix really should add 100+ wards. That way there won't be in this situation lol. People can make a town in that situation for all I care in a low populated server. I agree with someone in this thread who mentioned it.

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Originally Posted by Llus

Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to.

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Same access is not an accurate statement. It's not like housing was open for weeks and plots sat there. I woke up at 1:45 am (release was 2:00 am) just to download the patch but encountered Launcher errors, then had to wait for patch download, and then had to wait for 1025 people to get through the queue. I was logged in by 2:15 am and everything was gone. People were lucky to not have errors, be at a reasonable time zone of release and lucky to sit there and get it. That is not equal access and boils down to a lot of factors that are disadvantageous to other players.

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Originally Posted by Jack-Rakan

Wait, I thought the FC needs to be rank 6 or higher to even buy a plot?

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You can level up a fc on your own through crafting, etc. It takes time, but it's doable.

This is why more wards won't solve the issue. Players need to be limited to one house per account.

Alternatively, I keep kicking around the idea that all the wards should be player housing and that the FC's should get 'special' housing that is basically an instanced version. Think of the Sky Pirate base during the Mhach quests- an FC could get a house that's basically a base awarded to them by their Grand Company in any number of locations for the sake of 'peacekeeping' activities in that region. Every FC gets a house/base (customization just like the houses) that are unique to the area they choose, and houses open up to the masses.

If we're to have to compete between FC houses that serve a utility to a larger population, why not make it so that every FC (for a price and once a certain rank is hit), gets one without question or argument?

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Originally Posted by Llus

First, the quote about "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!" was aimed at this thread and others like it. Many many people complaining about other people getting plots and reselling them, entire wards filled with private ownership etc, then this one came out

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First, not only did I own a home before this patch, but I was one of the lucky few able to relocate it when the servers came up this morning. So it's not 'salt' about not being able to get a plot but rather, as anyone familiar with my posts in this sub-forum could tell you, my continuing frustration with the individuals or groups of people who flip houses for profit or hoard multiples when while others go entirely without.

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Originally Posted by Llus

D*ck behavior and outrageous. Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to. Doesn't matter if they're all from the same FC. Doesn't matter what their motives for buying were. To several people in this thread the fact that they BOUGHT the plots is D*ck behavior and outrageous. In the end, this thread isn't about addressing the problems with the housing situation. There are MANY other threads that are doing that. But this kind of salty click-bait thread won't help the situation any more than putting an arbitrary restriction on who can purchase houses.

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It seems we are both doing quite a bit of assuming here, and I apologize for my part in it. Although I did preface my post with 'if it's true,' I should have stipulated the specific conditions I was referring to.

When the OP posted that an FC was buying up an entire ward I assumed it was an FC who, working as a coordinated group and through the use of multiple alts and shell FCs, was buying up all of the plots to hoard control of a district under the single banner of their FC either for the prestige/ego-stroke of doing so or to resell later. If they are merely individual players buying up homes near their FC base, then my comment is not applicable, as they certainly did nothing selfish or unsavory.

So, shame on me for not checking for myself before posting (as I would have done had I access to my gaming PC earlier today) or asking for the OP to clarify the situation. Shame on you for assuming I was just angry because I didn't get a plot and was lashing out at individuals lucky enough to do so.

This sounds like a slightly different situation than the infamous Ward 12 on Mateus?

If the folks in this FC coordinated together and managed to buy the ward, without resorting to cheats like one-person FCs or speed hacks and without the intention to hoard and flip, I really don't see the problem? I am the first to be right there with everyone about how unfair and crappy the housing situation is. That wards weren't overall increased, and that SE refuses to address this situation in a meaningful manner isn't fun. It sucks. This whole thing sucks.

But I'm not going to deny other folks their want for their own personal houses-- they just happened to be lucky enough to get them with their friends. Seriously, damn! (Who among us wouldn't want to be grouped up in a neighborhood with our friends and FCmates? Congrats, guys! Now please have fun with those houses, make them pretty, and enjoy them. We'll all be sad if they sit empty.)

Not even mad, that's impressive. Think about the coordination that required. I always want my fc to own a ward.

If they are separate players and bought it for use, then there is nothing left to do but congratulate them. I mean, what the hell does being in single FC have to do with eligibility to buy a plot?

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Originally Posted by Casualty

Agreed. They are no better or worse than any other person trying to buy a house. They are just more organized.

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Or they were lucky enough not to have the stupid launcher have a stroke when they tried to log in. I stayed up most of the night looking into how to best secure a house, made sure I was in the right place, saved up for months, was at my desk & ready to log in as soon as server opened. Multiple lobby errors, multiple instances of being kicked back from the "Now Loading" screen into the lobby again.

Not a lack of organisation on my part.

It's impressive, but all I can think of right now is the reports of dodgy behaviour. They might not have engaged in such, but chats and the like were going off about people using trades to block people from purchasing.

Sure if they're all individuals and all that there's nothing really "wrong" with them getting houses, just the odds of them managing to get sixty houses in the ward without missing a single one seems pretty low when they managed it during the house war.
Could have traded with people in other wards maybe, but still it's odd.

SE should just ban resellers and buyers who make speculation on such products. Like rmt customers.

They can buy all the plots and then sell them X10 the initial price. They become more rich at each new wards. Do and repeat until SE make a clear sentence. I don't want to be rude but buyers has to be blamed also.... If no-one buy, there will be not trafic to deal with at the beginning.

Why is it a problem if an FC bought out a ward, those are individual players - why shouldn't they have their housing? Super impressed with the level of coordination. I wonder if they gave fair warning of the ward they would be going for, would have been the smart thing - I would have avoided that ward as well.

60 friends all bought housing near each other. They are living the dream. Congratulations to them.

ONLY real problem is from Square enix here enters a kindergarden with a chocolate box only 12 blocks and giving it away for 30 children and leaves rest of them sitting crying with no sweets.
Square enix are rude and evil.

Well... I know this sucks but if each member did not have their own house, they can do this. Their FC has one house and then the members can have one of their own. If there was a restriction for one house per account, this situation would have still occurred. I see no real problem if every member in the FC had one house per account. If the members have alts that also have the plots in that ward, then we something to be pissed about. Others have mentioned already - have FC housing in its own realm/instance, open up many more wards or get the housing instanced altogether. This situation is not sustainable and will always be a sore point within the player base that love having houses in a game.

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Originally Posted by Ssmiley_Bjakkzz

ONLY real problem is from Square enix here enters a kindergarden with a chocolate box only 12 blocks and giving it away for 30 children and leaves rest of them sitting crying with no sweets.
Square enix are rude and evil.

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Though in our case it would be more like bringing 12 candy bars for 3000 kids !
And having a couple kids snatch 4-6 bar for themselves...

I'm just trying to fathom how 60 people (or up to half that if they all bought personal fc houses too) managed to get through queue and take over a ward and subdivision before anyone else got there. I can see maybe a handful of houses, but the entire same ward/subdivision sounds fishy.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

Though in our case it would be more like bringing 12 candy bars for 3000 kids !
And having a couple kids snatch 4-6 bar for themselves...

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Why are you acting so entitled?
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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I'm just trying to fathom how 60 people (or up to half that if they all bought personal fc houses too) managed to get through queue and take over a ward and subdivision before anyone else got there. I can see maybe a handful of houses, but the entire same ward/subdivision sounds fishy.

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This is a valid question. I am curious about that myself.

The simple solution for this would be to give apartments the same functionality as a house.

I mean it's not a perfect solution since people already spent additional money on housing specifically for those benefits, but realistically housing should have been instanced rather than in plots right from the get go. What's the point of having players save up millions of gil over what may have been an extremely long period of time, only to have them unable to buy a house due to some arbitrary cap and minutes difference in time taken to log in.

I get how this looks unfair, and really it's just unfortunate. The members of the FC are technically doing absolutely nothing wrong. It sucks that housing is limited and this is the result of that limited housing, but they are playing the game like anyone else. Unless if they broke ToS to get these plots they have every right to buy up a whole ward.

The housing districts are built with good intentions. They're built for the people that seriously want to own a private space to show off and do as they please. The people that are dedicated enough should feel special to even own a house as it is a special thing. It is why the housing is so limited to which I also understand.

I also thought that housing should be limited to FCs only but that isn't exactly fair to players either...(cont'd)

I'd like the Phantasy Star Universe system where players owned expandable apartments. But the problem with that is only IF you visit the apartment directly you wouldn't see the work put into it, and out of millions of players that can be kind of tough.

Housing is nice because you can see the outdoor work and then perhaps coaxed into entering the house to see what else was done.
I think both FCs and Players alike should have a house. I also think that there needs to be more housing, especially more of each size as three large plots in many cases is no where near enough. Perhaps a ward of only mansions, then a ward of only houses and a ward of only cottages. Then also have the mixed wards we are used to. Increasing the amount of housing would be like increasing highway lanes though. You can do that, but the problem will still exist regardless...(cont'd)

Again it's really really unfortunate, but they have every right to do this. The FC may not of even bought the plots with ill intentions and simply wanted to have all it's members on one ward. I know a group of some of my FC mates wanted to get houses on the same ward as well, they weren't able to but they also weren't trying to take over a whole ward. It's on SE and the team to figure out a proper way to do this, but they certainly won't be able to make everyone happy. They can add more wards but then we'll be back here soon after arguing about how there simply isn't enough for everyone.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ill-more-Wards I did made this one month ago I knew it this is happened

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tanced-housing Please sign up!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...se-Wards-House they moved to dead server left behind me sigh!.... how stressful and upset! but I don't want to move, Levi server is better

anyone knows how long days Auto-Demolishing without build house? I can see the empty plot without build house >_>

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I'm just trying to fathom how 60 people (or up to half that if they all bought personal fc houses too) managed to get through queue and take over a ward and subdivision before anyone else got there. I can see maybe a handful of houses, but the entire same ward/subdivision sounds fishy.

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Same here, to be frank. That seems astounding. Not only the coordination, but the sheer luck that 60 people managed to get online and get plots with probably little to no issues (like unresponsive launchers or lobby server errors). Is it a particular large/well-known FC that basically said “Ward # belongs to us; don’t touch it, or else”? O.o

That being said, if they’re buying the individual houses as individual players and not reselling them to amass a profit, well, such is allowed. Does it suck for other FCs that would like a housing plot? Absolutely. But it is still allowed; all it really highlights is just how flawed the housing system is.

I don’t think housing should be FC only. Some people don’t want to be in an FC. Why should they be barred access to things like personal housing (no, apartments are not an adequate substitute in their current state—they are little more than FC rooms without added FC housing perks...and more expensive)?

There is a way to come to a compromise with “instanced housing” and “FC only housing”. What could be done is: take the 12 wards already active, turn them into FC wards, or FC “communities”, and create a 13th Ward that contains unlimited instanced housing. It would look just like any other ward, with nice houses, summoning bells, market boards, and tastefully decorated yards in each plot, and players could go up to a placard and purchase/browse houses a la Apartment/FC room style. Yards could be instanced, so players could choose to decorate them if they so chose, as well as be able to participate in gardening; and the interior of the houses would be just like the FC houses in terms of appearance and customization. 720 plots per server for FCs, and unlimited instanced housing for individuals.

Those who already own personal houses would have their houses and yards transferred to the 13th ward in the same plot they previously owned—so, a small in Ward 3, Plot 14 would be transferred to Instanced Ward 13, Plot 14, and could be found via an apartment/FC room-esque list.

That’s just a compromise I think would work. Like I said, I’m not really for limiting housing to just one group or the other (FC versus personal). I think the housing system needs a lot of work, and SE needs to come to realize this, and how much importance a significant portion of the playerbase puts on housing. It needs to be fixed before the next housing ward is released (Ishgard, mayhaps?—whenever that would be), so there isn’t a repeat of this. Especially if the active playerbase grows between Stormblood and 5.0. Otherwise, this entire scenario will only repeat itself. It’s like that saying: those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Originally Posted by ArchangelSavior

anyone knows how long days Auto-Demolishing without build house? I can see the empty plot without build house >_>

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Auto-demolition happens after 45 days. If there is no house built on the plot within 45 days, it will be relinquished. For houses already built, owners (or FC members for FC houses) have to enter the estate to reset the demolition timer (which is still 45 days). However, demolition is currently suspended due to natural disasters in the US. I don’t think they’ve reinstated it yet; initially I thought they said it would only last 2 weeks or so, but there hasn’t been any mention of the auto-demolition timer being reinstated (that I’m aware of).

Even if they did take the entire ward(which sounds almost impossible) they had just as much right to a house as anyone else. I do somewhat agree to an extent about FCs having an easier acces to housing(I really feel there should be some FC ONLY wards). I think also if they did have FC only wards then if you wanted a large FC house you had to have at least 100 members to be eligible to buy the, at least 50 members for a medium, and any number for a small or something to that effect so that this would combat people who would try to buy or level an FC on an alt and then try and buy out a mansion. But so long as wards are open to all then yea that FC had the right to buy out those plots. Yes their FC has a house and it may be a house they can recall to but at the same time, it's not their actual house, if a communal company house. My FC had a mansion but I wanted my own place, same as several other members in our FC who wanted their own place to call home.

This post was for the devs to see and ponder on the whole situation of housing and to question THEIR housing methods. This post is NOT for people to assume anyone is even remotely talking about FC’s being the problem or their abilities to do/not do anything. This post is NOT A DEBATE. THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT THE FC, it’s to bring ATTENTION to clear design flaws. I ADDED IN, MY OWN OPINIONS, on different little topics aside from the main one like quirks on the housing system itself. So look and READ THE POSTS ORIGINAL TOPIC, before arguing with each other over Rights and what FCs can and can’t do. It’s NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH FCs ability to exploit game flaws. Stick to the main topic, housing system needs an update.

Which FC/ward?

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Not even mad, that's impressive. Think about the coordination that required. I always want my fc to own a ward.

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Not only that, but they had to all beat the same login queue...everyone who tried had a shot at "winning" so I don't see the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Mild_insanity

Which FC/ward?

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Waiting for this. Otherwise this is highly unlikely. We had 5 people from the same FC trying to login at the same time. 1 of us got in. Let alone what it would take for all 60 to be able to run to houses and purchase them without issue.

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Originally Posted by Jack-Rakan

Honestly that is unfair for them to do that. They got a whole ward to themselves and they are more than likely going to sell them off for god know how much Gil.

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Yea but if they legit are going to keep the houses then I'm fine with this. I can completely understand any player who would prefer to have their house in the same ward or subdivision as their fc. Honestly having a neighbourhood full of fc members sounds really cool.

But if the intention is for selling, well that's awful.

Wait are you guys seriously complaining that a FC, each their own person, got their own houses? How is that wrong?? It's not like they'd have been able to do that if it was all alt characters. You guys are such whiny manbabies.

Power to them. Utter luck they managed to snag all 60 plots during the rush.