4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

Listening to MrHappy's stream, he brings up a good point. Unlike Heavensward, the devs kept to their fourteen week schedule, which is a considerable task following an expansion launch. We're feeling the effects of that decision. I, personally, am taking a "wait and see" approach on how resources will be allocated. If it means Stormblood PotD becomes more innovative or Eureka actually lives up to the purposed hype, I'll be okay with the slight lull. Regardless, I completely disagree with the OP. 3.1 will forever remain the worst patch this game has seen. While it technically had more content, Diadem and Lord of Verminion were colossal flops, thus leaving just Gordias, Thordan and Void Ark for nearly eight months. 4.1 is leaps and bounds ahead of that disaster.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

Squadron AI of any kind already makes up for another dungeon no one will remember. We also got an expansion to treasure maps which has never happened before. Changes to housing zones that hasn't happened since Apartments.

Your sig is also 4 years old, get over it.

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Treasure Maps were added in 2.1, The Aquapolis was added in 3.3. Feels like said expansion has happened before.

Apartments only happened 2 patches ago...

There's only 5 dungeons you can run with Squads. You can not get Squads until 47. So you could probably easily solo any dungeon these are used in by this point. So it's useful for....leveling solo? Even though most people would still opt for POTD. Seems like a bit of a useless feature so far.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Guess we can't be to mad at Yoshi for this. https://gamerescape.com/2017/06/15/e...naoki-yoshida/ The article posted back in June even states 4.15 or beyond so they weren't exactly lying, just wish they could at least implement the first step of Relic in some way for 4.15 instead of pushing it back potentially to 4.2.

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And then if that rushed implementation winds up being a hot mess, people come to the forums and complain, wondering why SE didn't just push back the release. I was personally really looking forward to the new relic myself, but if SE pushing it back means the content is possibly that much better when we do get it, I can be patient and wait.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Nope.

Well. You get the ability to swim in the Goblet.

That is enough content to last you 3 months. Right?

To the others: (not you bswpayton)

You can white knight and spit shine this turd all you want until it shines like the sun.

It's still a turd.

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"Grrr .. entitlement!"
And yet, you are here, apparently still playing the game with a running sub.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Nope.

Well. You get the ability to swim in the Goblet.

That is enough content to last you 3 months. Right?

To the others: (not you bswpayton)

You can white knight and spit shine this turd all you want until it shines the sun.

It's still a turd.

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I never been here at the start of an expansion , but I thought that the relic weapons always came in teh first patch, but it seems as it stands people will add , shiryu to the doggo farm list, and do the 24 man raid once a week. Ultimate isnt actually content many players can even do. But Im also not sure what they have added in the past either, but Im definitively seeing that they are going to kinda stick with how they did hw content. I dont reallly feel like anything will be new or fresh and I can see why that will upset people. And also please tell me we can do more than just the level 21 dungeon with our squadrens

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Originally Posted by Arrius

"Grrr .. entitlement!"
And yet, you are here, apparently still playing the game with a running sub.

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Isnt he/she supposed to be entitled?

If this game was free, I could understand and would agree with you. I think how Istaru is feeling is a logic one, he/she bought the expansion with the hope that the developers keep releasing patch with stuff to do. If Istaru thinks that SE is not delivering, then he/she has a right to come here and complain about, since he/she is a paying customer.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I never been here at the start of an expansion , but I thought that the relic weapons always came in teh first patch, but it seems as it stands people will add , shiryu to the doggo farm list, and do the 24 man raid once a week. Ultimate isnt actually content many players can even do. But Im also not sure what they have added in the past either, but Im definitively seeing that they are going to kinda stick with how they did hw content. I dont reallly feel like anything will be new or fresh and I can see why that will upset people. And also please tell me we can do more than just the level 21 dungeon with our squadrens

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From what I have seen you have 5 dungeons and the final one is a level 50 dungeon. Since my Squadrons are already at the current max level and all my classes are level 60+, I do not understand what SE wants me to do with my squadrons. If the only reward is experience points, then this content is dead on arrivel for me and others who are level 50 or higher with all their characters. I do think this feature will be handy for players with low level characters, but I reckon if you are learning, playing with real people would be a better option.

I will log in at patch 4.1 and see how it is, but right now, from what I have seen it sure looks disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Isnt he/she supposed to be entitled?

If this game was free, I could understand and would agree with you. I think how Istaru is feeling is a logic one, he/she bought the expansion with the hope that the developers keep releasing patch with stuff to do. If Istaru thinks that SE is not delivering, then he/she has a right to come here and complain about, since he/she is a paying customer.

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First, she.

Well done. I agree with you. I pay them for a service. As a customer, I have every right to give the supplier of a good or a service feedback on that service. Both good and bad feedback.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

"Grrr .. entitlement!"
And yet, you are here, apparently still playing the game with a running sub.

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You don't like me exercising my right to provide my feedback on their product?

How about you leave instead?

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Originally Posted by Pence

Treasure Maps were added in 2.1, The Aquapolis was added in 3.3. Feels like said expansion has happened before.

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yea and now we're getting an expansion to Uznair which has never happened before. so for SB we have new maps, we have a new dungeon that spawns from maps and now we have an extension of that dungeon. 2.x and 3.x maps did not have that, this is new.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Apartments only happened 2 patches ago...

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yea, it took them nearly the entire 3.x series to change the original 3 housing zones.

we're now getting an even bigger change to the original 3 housing zones in the first patch of the 4.x series.

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Originally Posted by Pence

There's only 5 dungeons you can run with Squads.... Seems like a bit of a useless feature so far.

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it's not going to be super useful, but it's the basis for something that can be expanded on. the point was this was added instead of another Lv 70 expert dungeon, which if most 50/60 dungeons are used as an example most people forget about them really quickly.

why is the new pvp mode coming a month later ; ; and some stuff 2 weeks after
its like we getting half a patch on the 10th

I love this patch and I'm very excited about it. Either I'm *~*special*~* or you're a very, very boring person OP -laughs-.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

And then if that rushed implementation winds up being a hot mess, people come to the forums and complain, wondering why SE didn't just push back the release. I was personally really looking forward to the new relic myself, but if SE pushing it back means the content is possibly that much better when we do get it, I can be patient and wait.

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Yea, would just be nice if they could disclose some information about the content. Heck they brought up more info about content coming in 4.2(The Battle Replay) and yet that was never mentioned or even hinted at as far as I can recall. Just a shame they are more willing to share stuff that was never mentioned that give a report on content than they've been working on.

I mean, I am personally excited about Shirogane housing, Shinryu Ex, and the new 24-man, but these won't keep the player base enthralled for any kind of meaningful amount of time.

I think the complaint is a valid one. Obviously, saying that the patch is empty is hyperbolic, but it does feel like it is lacking. At the very least, some kind of new relic weapon would have helped to keep players' interest for longer.

All that said, it's not like I am going to unsubscribe - but I would enjoy a wider breadth of content in patches going forward.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

it's not going to be super useful, but it's the basis for something that can be expanded on. the point was this was added instead of another Lv 70 expert dungeon, which if most 50/60 dungeons are used as an example most people forget about them really quickly.

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How can it be expanded on in a way which justifies its existence? It'll never be used for current expansion content. POTD exists. Roulettes exist. A whole lot of people are above where it could be almost useful. I can see its benefit, but at the same time...the benefit is so small it shouldn't have been a thing. Dev time would have been better spent elsewhere. For example: A L70 version of Hall of the Novice.

It's normal for a mid-cycle patch to add more content (I'm pretty sure that's how PotD was released and most Anima relic steps started on those, too), I do feel the lull a bit, too.

I still have plenty of back log content to do, but 4.1 looks to be the ultimate QoL patch verses the normal content updates. Some of this is stuff we've been begging for for years, like minions and chocobos being out together, and we still need help for some jobs having balancing issues. It's all great stuff, just a little less tangible.

So, I'm genuinely excited for that, but it kinda guts our regular daily stuff since, other than one new dungeon and getting the weekly drop from the new 24-man, there isn't much new on that front. 4.1 is mostly story content.

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Originally Posted by Pence

How can it be expanded on in a way which justifies its existence? It'll never be used for current expansion content. POTD exists. Roulettes exist. A whole lot of people are above where it could be almost useful. I can see its benefit, but at the same time...the benefit is so small it shouldn't have been a thing. Dev time would have been better spent elsewhere. For example: A L70 version of Hall of the Novice.

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that 100% opinion. i've never once been inside Hall of the Novice or Stone Sky Sea. i don't hate either of those things, i don't think either of those things is wasted development time, but any development time going towards those things is definitely not BETTER for me.

it's justified because it's different.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

You don't like me exercising my right to provide my feedback on their product?

How about you leave instead?

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Because calling it a 'turd' is a really mature and well-elaborated way to express feedback.
Oh, but please, continue on. It amuses me greatly.

I am fine with the patch myself, really. Still got things to do with the current stuff so this is something I look forward to when I do need a change.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

So, I'm genuinely excited for that, but it kinda guts our regular daily stuff since, other than one new dungeon and getting the weekly drop from the new 24-man, there isn't much new on that front. 4.1 is mostly story content.

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new beast tribe which was expected. how does it gut the regular daily stuff?

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that 100% opinion. i've never once been inside Hall of the Novice or Stone Sky Sea. i don't hate either of those things, i don't think either of those things is wasted development time, but any development time going towards those things is definitely not BETTER for me.

it's justified because it's different.

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It would presumably better the skill level of the general population - which was suppose to be a major focus of Stormblood (Failed). This would benefit everybody, including yourself.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Where is the content that they wanted to create instead of one of our dungeons?

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My guess is that Ultimate and Rival Wings devoured that extra dungeon and i'm cool with it as i don't do dungeons anymore.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

new beast tribe which was expected. how does it gut the regular daily stuff?

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Oh! I forgot about those! (Ahh I need to get on those @-@)

Honestly, it's more, since we're coming off the expansion, we'll still be on the same stuff to grind for maximizing ourselves. Other than the 24-man and Scalla. Although, I haven't looked at what DoL/DoH have to deal with now.

Stormblood really didn't succeed in lowering the skill ceiling at all, did it?

Goes to show that people just can't be pleased with anything; it's an all or nothing ordeal anymore.

Personally, I like what's coming to us and no, I'm not a fan of garbage. I'm just realistic on what to expect. We aren't getting two dungeons; this was said long before 4.0 even dropped in fanfests. I don't know why you are expecting different. I don't know why you (general) want two dungeons when one was always more superior to run and most people flocked to that one anyway. I don't know why people want tiers of difficulty for the same stuff (as it is, would rather they did away with normal raids while keeping savage difficulty). We have tiers of difficulty and there are just always people unwilling to do the content (IE: hard mode primals with extremes as a higher tier; story raids with savage as a higher tier; 24 man raids as a higher tier to.... normal dungeons and story raids).

On relics, the only relic released on/ near launch was 2.0's very first relic. Back when all hardmode primals, actually considered very hard back then, were required just to unlock raids. You also needed their mats to make the relic weapon, which was also pretty much required to raid. After that, relic, relic upgrades and anything pertaining to them have not been released at the same time as a current raid tier being so "fresh" (depending on perspective and defining when content begins going "stale"). Keep in mind, relics in Heavensward were not released until 3.15; this is patch 4.1.

Let's be real here. We are still getting content (definition: things that are included in something), so it's not like you're being denied a service you've paid a membership for. Like I told a friend before, back in 3.x, just because it's stuff you don't want to do, or look forward to, doesn't negate its existence nor enjoyment for others.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

My guess is that Ultimate and Rival Wings devoured that extra dungeon and i'm cool with it as i don't do dungeons anymore.

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Seal Rock came in 3.1, so it was 'expected' content and didn't really devour anything.

And Ultimate is all reused assets.....i'd wager a bet it was Eureka / Ultimate.

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Originally Posted by Pence

It would presumably better the skill level of the general population - which was suppose to be a major focus of Stormblood (Failed). This would benefit everybody, including yourself.

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the people that are really bad don't use those features, they can't even be bothered to read tooltips. i regularly play with friends and FC people so we always carry bad people in our groups anyway. the benefit is miniscule compared to something new.

I dunno, I kinda felt the same way at first, but the more I see of that PvP mode, the more interested I get. Personally, I've been looking for a competitive game with little to no stakes (i.e. time investment, learning curve, cost of entry, etc) and well, I already play this game so a good PvP mode is intriguing.

Housing is also something I'm looking forward to, but that's only assuming I can actually get a house. Speaking of which, that more than anything else is easily my biggest gripe with this game. It's 2017 and we're gonna be at each other's throats in less than two weeks because of the world's most popular MMOs with one of the biggest budgets still can't figure out housing. Meanwhile, multiple, lesser games have come and gone with housing systems that were exponentially better. And then, like some sort of cruel joke, they still refuse to stop alts from buying up the limited housing. It's honestly like they're aren't even trying to fix this mess. sigh, I need to stop or this is just going to lead into a much longer rant.

The patch is huge and you'll see in the patch notes how many things they've been working on, but I think its trailer is the least effective one they've made. They stopped putting in titles for each piece of content /playing them in sequence, instead they just spliced together a bunch of footage from everything but it makes it look like there's nothing, you don't feel the weight of how many pieces of content there are. So I think there was no reason to change the old formula for hype trailers.

And yeah, patches getting smaller is a myth. Instead of a hard mode dungeon you're getting the first ever Ultimate fight, a deeper section of Unzair treasure dungeon with new mechanics and a lot more QoL and new features than normal, materia removal etc. So they are shooting for more effective content, less pointless content.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

And wow players call a patch half this size the largest patch ever. Can we please switch the fandoms?

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You know what was kinda fun in their latest patch? your mainscenario is locked behind RNG... That some quality content right there :^)

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Originally Posted by Airget

Yea, would just be nice if they could disclose some information about the content..

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Because that is usually a terrible idea, just recently some devs of another company have spoken out that beign too open with playerbase usually results in toxic response and tbf this forum, with countless other gaming forum official or not area good enough proof of that claim, at least from my point of wiew

The real question is are the devs going to be able to fix this smn/sch/mch/drg/war mess they got themselves into? After being told to wait till 4.05-4.06 then 4.1 3 months later of loved classes being way more punishing and clunky to play makes this a big patch concerning job balance. In my eyes bard/nin are the dps that got all the sweet candy during halloween while the other dps revamps were given rocks.

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Originally Posted by Bernkastelx

The real question is are the devs going to be able to fix this smn/sch/mch/drg/war mess they got themselves into? After being told to wait till 4.05-4.06 then 4.1 3 months later of loved classes being way more punishing and clunky to play makes this a big patch concerning job balance. In my eyes bard/nin are the dps that got all the sweet candy during halloween while the other dps revamps were given rocks.

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For those who didn't see the stream, some of the job changes were mentioned. War getting some kind of party-wide mitigation, drg needing one less eye to power into red mode, aetherpact and devotion being proximity based / affecting any ppl near the pet, among other fixes.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

For those who didn't see the stream, some of the job changes were mentioned. War getting some kind of party-wide mitigation, drg needing one less eye to power into red mode, aetherpact and devotion being proximity based / affecting any ppl near the pet, among other fixes.

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Was there anything about Sustain, or chocobos being able to heal SMN pets?

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Originally Posted by Amariel34

Was there anything about Sustain, or chocobos being able to heal SMN pets?

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Sustain is coming back.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Sustain is coming back.

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YES!!! That alone makes this patch so so yummy to me.



(not sure why I said yummy. It's a weird day.)

The new areas and dungeons have been nice in SB but yeah ever have i been bored so quickly ever in the 4 or so years i have been playing

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Let's be real here. We are still getting content (definition: things that are included in something), so it's not like you're being denied a service you've paid a membership for. Like I told a friend before, back in 3.x, just because it's stuff you don't want to do, or look forward to, doesn't negate its existence nor enjoyment for others.

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^ I'm making this wonderful quote as my new signature! Thank you for posting this :)

To OP: Seriously, what more could you possibly want?? Don't you dare say dungeons because people will moan and gripe about that too (ex: "There's nothing to do besides the two LVL 70 expert dungeons" :>...)
Have fun playing with other games while you wait.


Shoot, I'm having a hard time keeping up with content; just when I thought I was done with everything, more stuff shows up and my to-do list keeps stretching @.@

There's a lot there, only way I could see someone being disappointed was if they liked dungeons. And who actually likes dungeons in this game? Lowest form of content there is, that.

The only thing that bugs me for this patch is actualy the trailer itself...

Compare to all others (from 2.1 to 4.0) it is the shortest (4:30 compared to 2.1 or 2.5 which were the longest with 10 minutes) and moreover half of this short trailer is for the Main scenario cutscenes (even the Beast Tribe are missing).
Even as bad as I think 3.1 was, the trailer was better.

Also, if you have not followed any news of the game, interviews or previous Live Letter (of course I know most of the playerbase have) you can't understand anything because there is absolutly no text in the trailer unlike all previous ones.

I must admit i am a tad disappointed with the patch but at the very least, at least we get a patch now instead of in 4 more months a la 3.1.

My biggest issue is the lack of a relic. Whenever I ran out of stuff to do but wanted to keep playing I did a relic. I ended up with 4 animas over 3.x.

Wow! a compliant thread for a patch that hasn't even came out yet! God bless you all!!

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Originally Posted by Mature

Sadly, wrong I was.... Complains about lack of content ... Yet again does not much in game ....
Just check his character.
My advice is very simple, if you gonna CREATE thread regarding the lack of stuff to do, make sure you have done enough to actually have a point. Right now I personally have NO IDEA why you even had the audacity to moan about it when your character says otherwise.

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I don't get people who use this kind of reasoning.
You're saying that the OP opinion (and anyone who holds a similiar opinion) can only be valid if they have every "capped" and have nothing to do.
By that logic, 95% of the playerbase has no right to talk because most of them don't go on to do end game/savage content.
Just because there are things to do in this game doesn't mean they are engaging or enjoyable.

Quality....Quantity

I'm pretty sure in 2017 we know which is better.
Return to Ivalice is pure quality in my eyes.