What is your view on RP or ERP and why is it so taboo within the community?

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

I do wonder how you can detect someone is RPing or not, and will most ppl stop RP in dungeons if u tell them to or are most stubborn and go dick mode? Just trying to understand how and why ppl RP and how to approach them.

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I assume you mean in regards to being out and about in the world. Most of the time the easiest way is if they are doing custom emotes (/em) or talking about something about the game but in a more life like term (such as instead of saying DPS they might say something among the lines of 'X persons was hitting harder than they should' or something like that.. Another way is if they are using emoji's I think is the best way to say it. The only other thing other than the RP tag and use of brackets is if they are using quotation marks when they talk which for most RP'ers is a way of showing that their character is talking.

In regards to dungeons, most RPers don't RP in dungeons unless it is with other RPers. Most of them should be respectful and stop if you ask them but you may run into those who 'play the way they want' and will just make it worse (which by all means kick them cause I would). Good amount of people who RP though have a good understanding of when it is and isn't acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

I consider people spamming my chatlog with unwanted walls of text as harassment, so yes I would consider public RP'ing to be against the ToS if we're going to be technical about it. When spambots do the exact same thing, it's against the rules, and this is no different. It's not "don't do what I don't like", since you're perfectly free to RP in private/designated places/channels and I don't mind at all. It's "don't be rude and force me to see what you are doing when I don't want to see it." It's called respecting others.

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Incorrect.
Spambots are telling you to go to some third party thing over and over and over again.
I think if so and so reported someone for roleplaying harmlessly in public to the GM's they would laugh and cry
for humanity.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

My main gripe with RP, especially on a server that is now getting flooded with it, is people doing it in public channels. RP in your own homes, RP in LS's or FC chat or parties, but don't do it in /say in public areas filled with people. Like, I don't want to have my chatlog filled with your bad fanfic dialog while I'm trying to go about my business in town. I blacklist anyone one who uses /say for RP purposes around me, because it is unbelievably rude and obnoxious, even moreso than the RMT spambots.

You wouldn't walk down a busy street shouting some random story right in the ears of everyone around you in real life, and you shouldn't do it the game either.

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No but you do walk down a busy street passing by people who would be having conversations that can be heard if they are in earshot.

My view is that as long as it's hurting no one and if erp doesn't involve minors (fictitious or real) then it's fine.

As long as it's done in private, right...? ;)

People role-playing doesn't bother me. The only place it would bother me would be in duties if it was actively hindering progression. But if people want to role-play (tastefully) in public, I don't care. I generally have /say and /shout filtered out of my usual chat log I use anyways. People can ERP too if they like, but I would prefer it remain in private and behind closed doors, just like real life intimacy. I certainly don't judge others for engaging in activities they find enjoyable in a game that they pay to play. I've done some light role-playing in the past myself, so it would be hypocritical of me to judge others for it!

I don't mind people rping, and as long as they're being respectful to others I'm not going to try to stop them. We all play to have fun right?

I USED to RP, both within FFXIV and outside, but the whole thing started to degrade into something uncomfortable and manipulative. I recall the old term was called "God-modding," essentially overpowering story threads and characters and forcing the entire thing to a certain direction without initial discussion or planning. It ain't fun, and for some reason I kept getting into sets where either I was being modded or was given way, way too much say, and I was basically writing the whole thing.

BUT. I don't really care if others RP, and I left the major RP servers since it stopped being a fun task for me. RP should be private, ERP especially, and I find it annoying, too, to see a wall of say text in a public of players RPing, but I don't think it's report worthy unless inappropriate.

I like roleplayers. I love how active the Balmung community is because of them doing events and stuff. I'm not a roleplayer myself but I write stuff about my characters and I appreciate what some people have done with theirs.

As for ERP, I don't really care as long as people keep it to themselves. Some E/RPers however take RP so personally, not separating RP from reality and that has caused countless drama.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

I consider people spamming my chatlog with unwanted walls of text as harassment, so yes I would consider public RP'ing to be against the ToS if we're going to be technical about it. When spambots do the exact same thing, it's against the rules, and this is no different. It's not "don't do what I don't like", since you're perfectly free to RP in private/designated places/channels and I don't mind at all. It's "don't be rude and force me to see what you are doing when I don't want to see it." It's called respecting others.

Hearing people talk to each other quietly as you pass them is very different from hearing them recite a script, badly and loudly, right next to you while you're standing there trying to buy groceries. Most people would find that very rude.

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Spamming emotes or messages in chat count as harassment, yeah, but mods aren't going to bother anyone RPing in /say or /em unless they’re getting vulgar. Besides, /say isn’t shouting in public, its talking. If you're getting this annoyed by people talking to each other in a city, area chat must drive you up a wall lol

Well i RP but im being "myself" if ya know. Like my character is my personality irl. Dunno if i should call that for rp. But i call it for RRP(real role play). Id like to think my character evan is kind of a alter ego of me irl in a virtual game like this.(if it even made more sense).

Well ive been giggling reading all of ur experience encountering rps in dungeons xd i would say they r kind of bit extreme xDd.
I only see myself as the hard hitting stone whm in dungeon without doing any emotes xD being self confident of my work and com people i think did a good job. Even in raids i joke alot. So.. uh.. mayby i dont rp but being myself? Dunno but yh

It, like a lot of things, is only a problem when it's being forced onto someone who ain't about that life.

As a cat, people tried to solicit me for that shenanigans and it was actually irritating to find out someone didn't want to be my friend for me as a person, but for their ERP sessions to which I wanted no part of.

As for RP, it's triple annoying when someone's character is made to be bratty and rude and they act like that to everyone because it's their "character."

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

Just adding something like an /rp chat mode so that only other people with the RP tag can see it would give the RP's that sense of open world RP they want without being inconsiderate to those around them. I mean SE was aware enough of the community to give them a tag, why not a chat mode as well?

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We do have a chat section for that. It's called /em. You can, amusingly enough, filter it out of your chat log so you never see it.

Going over more of this thread, I think one of the biggest problems is that people don't know where to draw the line between OOC and IC. I've seen fc drama caused because someone couldn't keep their character's dislike to another character from affecting how they, the player, acted towards that other chara's player. People really need to keep those things in proportion.

To anyone saying city-state rp is spam - it most certainly is not, are you kidding me? It might be long messages and there're a lot of them but it's content. It's not someone spamming an emote or, some worse things I've seen, sound bits. It's content some people might not wanna see but it's really not spam o.O I'd be hella confused if rping went against the ToS in an mmorpg

to me it doesn't matter as long as it isn't in my face. Of course if it's an RP server that I joined, I shouldn't be complaining, that's my own fault even tho it might have been not marked as such. But if it's on an server, that is not known for RP then it should be kept to tells/linkshells/company chats and not the regular zone/say chat. Same for ERP, I don't care what people do in their free time, but again keep it out of Zone/Say chat otherwise there's always the chance that some players will get reported, and GM's actually do take action in these kind of cases, especially if there's ERP on Zone chat.

I don't know anyone who really cares about the people who do *real* RP (as in, know IC vs OoC times, have done research and stuff like that. Are serious about it and all), its the people who do it to annoy others (macro every GCD with text, Ice Mages, and so on) that are the issue.

And ERPers doing their thing where others can be affected. /tell /party /linkshell, lock the house you're using, something to keep it private or don't do it.

I can't help it. I get a sour grimace on my face when I see cat girls/boys going on with the "Le ~~mew~~ *nuzzles against you* =^-^="

I've also seen some horrrrendously raunchy Lower Limsa ERP that makes your chin retract into your neck.

Some light hearted, easy going in character RP can be fun though. Some people just go weirdly far for my taste.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

But if it's on an server, that is not known for RP then it should be kept to tells/linkshells/company chats and not the regular zone/say chat.

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I disagree. People can RP wherever they please in public zones using /say as long as it's not explicit. It doesn't matter what server it is.

It depends. I've seen cringey and raunchy rp before and it made me want to claw my eyes out.

I personaly am terrible at RP-ing but I enjoy watching it. However I feel like watching people RP may find it awkward, which makes me feel awkward so I just tend to ignore any nearby RP.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I disagree. People can RP wherever they please in public zones using /say as long as it's not explicit. It doesn't matter what server it is.

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I feel like you do have to take server into account. A lot of people (myself included) tend to go for smaller servers because they tend to be more peaceful and quiet enough that you don't have to automatically block out public chat channels and shout chats like you do in more crowded servers. Even if you take to the sidelines/lurk its nice to be able to see the community interact/interact without a flood of messages every 2 seconds. I know a certain poster in this thread has been getting alot of flack for their views but you have to realize the server he's on (Mateus) was formerly the least populated server, even smaller than my own. Imagine if you lived in a small quiet neighborhood and a town founded, run, and populated by theater actors who practiced their lines openly and randomly moved in to your neighborhood. If you were the type that while appreciating theater also truly enjoyed the peace and quiet (maybe even moved there specifically for the peace and quiet) and had these people funneled into your neighborhood I'm sure you would also be slightly irked. Mateus up until recently was that small quiet neighborhood and people being funneled in from Balmung is basically the equivalent of a theater troupe moving into your neighborhood. He's not the only one who isn't particularly happy about the shift in server atmosphere. I have a friend who actually transferred FROM Balmung to Mateus to get away from the population and the roleplaying not even a month before Mateus became another designated rp server. Needless to say he's not too happy with it.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I disagree. People can RP wherever they please in public zones using /say as long as it's not explicit. It doesn't matter what server it is.

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NP but then they shouldn't be surprised if they get reported or other people telling them to stop. Can't come and complain afterwards, if that rules applies to you people, should apply to all others as well, right?

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

But if it's on an server, that is not known for RP then it should be kept to tells/linkshells/company chats and not the regular zone/say chat.

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This argument might, might hold water if FF14 had dedicated RP servers. As it is, all the FF14 servers are for RP because none of them are flagged as such. Even in games that do have servers set aside specifically for RP, saying that people are not allowed to RP in an MMORPG just because you don't want to see it is both self-centered and absurd.

You can report someone for anything you darn well feel like. I can report you because I think your purple and orange hat clashes horribly and is a fashion crime, but it doesn't mean that the GMs won't laugh in my face about it and simply ignore me. All you are doing is throwing a tantrum that does nothing productive but wastes the valuable time and resources of a system that already is overloaded with actual problems that need GM attention.

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Originally Posted by F_Maximillian

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Change happens. Is it a shame for people who want quiet when their server gets a population boost? Yes. Does moving somewhere for quiet automatically entitle them to complete control over what other people do in their environment or dictate how many people are allowed to move there as well? Absolutely not. Just because someone wants something a certain way does not mean that they can bend the world around them to fit their preferences and punish people who have broken no rules except to be doing something that they merely dislike. Spam bots are not reportable because they fill up the chat logs, they are reportable because they advertise RMTs that break the ToS. There is nothing in the ToS against RPing. In fact, with the addition of RP tags, SE is actually doing more to support RP than they have since the game launched.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

I consider people spamming my chatlog with unwanted walls of text as harassment, so yes I would consider public RP'ing to be against the ToS if we're going to be technical about it.

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Using /say to roleplay or just chat is not considered "spam". If you were to report that to the GMs they would likely tell you that they're sorry you didn't like the experience but to turn off /say chat or blacklist the user. They're not gonna ban people for roleplaying in the open world.

That argument would hold water if FFXIV had dedicated RP servers - but it doesn't. I'm sorry you're not fond of roleplay in the open world, but you can either blacklist the RPers or just turn /say and custom emotes off. They have a right to use the chat channel so long as what they're doing isn't against the ToS.

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Originally Posted by F_Maximillian

Even if you take to the sidelines/lurk its nice to be able to see the community interact/interact without a flood of messages every 2 seconds.

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I highly doubt that an RPer can think of what they could write as a response to their partner in the span of 2 seconds. I'd give it a minute minimum. RP takes a lot of time.

That's more possible if you're casually talking to someone. And honestly if people have a problem about others talking a lot and talking about harmless things in /say and consider it as spam, then I don't know if these people even considered why the chat exists. People who are like that should just learn to mind their own business.

I don't see why there's a problem with role playing. We play on a MMORPG, I think RPing in game is fine. I've been a text based roleplayer for 10 years, and I think the same rules on forums should apply to players in game. I don't role play on FFXIV, but honestly it seems kinda fun.
1) decent grammar
2) be kind and respectful
3) keep intimate rps in private messages

Also there's nothing wrong with role-playing in /say, and if you have a problem with highly interactive /say chat then turn it off or maybe don't play a MMORPG. Maybe solo-gaming is more for you. Also this is from someone who is on Coeurl and has been for the last year.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I highly doubt that an RPer can think of what they could write as a response to their partner in the span of 2 seconds. I'd give it a minute minimum. RP takes a lot of time.

That's more possible if you're casually talking to someone. And honestly if people have a problem about others talking a lot and talking about harmless things in /say and consider it as spam, then I don't know if these people even considered why the chat exists. People who are like that should just learn to mind their own business.

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That was a bit of a stretch on the whole 2 seconds thing but the point still stands that it's obviously far more crowded and therefore chatty on mateus than it used to be and some people may not appreciate it as much. I'm not saying rp is spam or against the tos or anything either.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Change happens. Is it a shame for people who want quiet when their server gets a population boost? Yes. Does moving somewhere for quiet automatically entitle them to complete control over what other people do in their environment or dictate how many people are allowed to move there as well? Absolutely not. Just because someone wants something a certain way does not mean that they can bend the world around them to fit their preferences and punish people who have broken no rules except to be doing something that they merely dislike. Spam bots are not reportable because they fill up the chat logs, they are reportable because they advertise RMTs that break the ToS. There is nothing in the ToS against RPing. In fact, with the addition of RP tags, SE is actually doing more to support RP than they have since the game launched.

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I'm not saying they should be reported by any means and yes change does happen. I'm not going to agree with the whole harrassment etc; but his viewpoint probably stems from the quieter environment he's used to being flipped upside down. Change does happen but you also have to understand that there were people there first who adapted to one way of existing on the server before the flood of rpers. I have nothing against rp but no one can deny it's a culture shock to have a bunch of rpers roll in. Imagine a reverse scenario where.. take ul'dah or kugane on balmung (which recently has a massive influx of raiders lets say) and they decide their designated raid talk spots were the same spots that people used as their local rp haunts. So while people would be trying to rp you would be getting a bunch of raiders discussing things causing a hinderance in a place that you would always go to rp in relative peace. I have no doubts people who were trying to rp would be irked as well. Mateus wasn't an rp server before and I feel like if you move somewhere you should be considerate of those who were there first and find some common ground instead of this well we're here now so your server is this and to hell with what you're used to attitude I've picked up so far.

It's "taboo" because some people don't know how to respond to others that do things they themselves don't partake in or enjoy, and then mock those that do. Been RP'ing since FFXI and aside from the odd mt I've never seen RP "forced" on people. Also never seen someone RP character traits in dungeons that hindered their role in anyway (one day I will see the Ice Mage unicorn T_T)

Just look at any fandom, subgroup, or hobby that has any sizable number of people. There will always be people who consider them "odd" or "not normal".

I personally strongly dislike RPers because I've had bad experiences with them- annoying macros, refusing to break character when they were matched into a dungeon even if it hinders everyone, generally low quality of play from them too. And if you politely ask them to stop spamming the chat with their Super Unique and Cool text, they'll either ignore you or stay IC to berate you. Like come on, I can't mute just you since the feature doesn't exist and I still want to communicate with the rest of the party. Throw me a bone here and just use /echo if you want to see your special snowflake text without spamming the party chat with it. I don't care what people do or how they play the game in pre-made parties or in the overworld, but if you get matched into a group instance, keep it to yourself.

I've overheard serious RP running around towns and such and that doesn't bother me at all. I like seeing people creating stories and rich experiences for themselves. But don't /tell me, don't solicit me, and for the love of god don't stay IC in a dungeon if it means annoying the other three people with you.

I have no problem with RP or ERP at all. Just know there's a time and a place. Using party chat in 4-man content is not the right place. Using party chat in 8-man content is not the right place. Using alliance chat in 24-man content is you just being absurd.

I'm fine with people RPing around cities, but again, there's a limit. No one wants to read your 600 line back and forth about how much you and your SO love each other or w/e. Take that somewhere else or don't be surprised if you try to contact me one day and find out that you're blocked.

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Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura

Using /say to roleplay or just chat is not considered "spam".

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Why would you use say chat for it, though? If you're roleplaying with someone, wouldn't it be better to tell or use party chat to not bother others? To me say chat is about comnunicating with other players in proximity about things that are right there (like asking questions of nearby NPCs or talking about a FATE that just happened), not for personal discussions between certain players.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Why would you use say chat for it, though? If you're roleplaying with someone, wouldn't it be better to tell or use party chat to not bother others? To me say chat is about comnunicating with other players in proximity about things that are right there (like asking questions of nearby NPCs or talking about a FATE that just happened), not for personal discussions between certain players.

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You mean like the others that they RP with, that they are in proximity with, y'know, that are right there as well? If you want to ask questions, or talk about some kind of FATE (?), wouldn't you be better off using shout chat, for a better chance at getting said questions answered?

A lot of roleplayers like something called "walk up RP", which means RP that happens spontaneously. Someone walks up to your character and starts interacting with the RP that's going on, which would be annoying if everything has to go through party chat. If you're that bothered by this, just blacklist them and move on.

I am pro-RP and ERP, but within reason. I don't believe it's taboo, it's just something that other people don't indulge in.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

You mean like the others that they RP with, that they are in proximity with, y'know, that are right there as well? If you want to ask questions, or talk about some kind of FATE (?), wouldn't you be better off using shout chat, for a better chance at getting said questions answered?

A lot of roleplayers like something called "walk up RP", which means RP that happens spontaneously. Someone walks up to your character and starts interacting with the RP that's going on, which would be annoying if everything has to go through party chat. If you're that bothered by this, just blacklist them and move on.

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I meant that if I start chatting with another player(s) I would do it in private chat because othetwise I would feel I'd be hogging the public channel for my personal use. But this is not something that would bother me personally, since there is no public RP on my server.

Rp is not a crime. ERP is because I don't fu***ng want to see a child being **** by a Roegadyn. Thanks but no. Just like most people wouldn't want to see anyone do it in public IRL.

I don't care as long they don't disturb my playtime, in the same way, I don't disturb their RP. Having people dropping a wall of text in a common area is annoying because will force me to turn off /s (or use block), similar to people spamming emotes or skills. About ERP, just keep it private.

RP is neat! So long as you aren't bothering anybody with it (like randos in dungeons.) then it's perfectly fine.
ERP though.... I'd rather not see it? Like if you are doing it in your own house/in party chat then obviously nobody'll know, and that's fine. If I catch you doing it in MY house or in the cities publicly and loudly though I'm reporting you to the GMs. Nobody needs to see that lol.

The whole "keep it in private" thing is just frankly not that possible sometimes... If you say keep it in party chat: you have to keep inviting / leaving parties to join in to some people meeting up at the bismark. To use a linkshell means anyone who is in that linkshell but not there still gets the messages,and you'd have to leave the whole linkshell instead of walking away a little, and don't even start having two groups rp at different places because that would be just too confusing. In fc chat you would very likely be disturbing someone much more easily than in /say as not the whole fc might rp at that time and someone doing a dungeon foe example still gets all the messages, as fc chat is used for other things than rp even in fcs that soley rp.
Now with /say, you can just walk away or ignore it. I honestly don't get why you even let /say show in your chatlog if you don't want to hear things other people talk about. It's NEVER important things. Like shout chat in limsa. And if you say you want to be able to communicate with multiple people without forming a party or linkshell, while all being in the same area, congratulations, you got it!
Then there also is one more thing about the visibility of /say. We, as RPers, WANT to be seen, and for others to know we are here, especially on non-rp servers. We want to find other people enjoying the same things as us. You can tell us to look for people having te rp status up but most people who rp just use that while actually doing rp.

Now, one more thing about erp. I don't care if people do it in the game in general, but it should really be somewhere where nobody can notice. If you do it in your own house (squints at old roomie who erp'd in my house in /say) go ahead! Using /party chat? No prob x'bob tia! Standing in the middle of the quicksand fully clothed sending each other /tells? I couldn't care less, as long as i can't know what is going on between two consenting adults! Hell, even if the only ting you do in this game is erp with catgirls, as long as you're not rude about it, just do whatever you want!