#Delete SMN now for sure?

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Originally Posted by aesteval

Which was, essentially, the stated goal of job changes for Stormblood.

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Shame, it just gets more and more braindead.

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Originally Posted by Caduagm

But we did? it was the dps WITH THE MOST COMPLAINS in this forum. We complained for a month and we got basically nothing.

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If you did it properly you could have probably gotten somewhere, then again..when worded like this..much like the others.

So, since we didn't get anything this time around what is the average DPS for a SMN @ 70 currently? Or average excluding the newest gear. Maybe pray for the best next time around and let them see the results via savage, then they can adjust there.

well this really blows. As my dps main is a smn'r, i refuse to give up on the class.....but they are making it rough....really reaaaallllyy rough

I was thinking about this, wondering if they are slowly making players less interested in playing it and eventually going to delete the job. I hope not though I love summoner

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

snipe

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I get your point, not playing SMN myself because it does not feel like SMN to me but more cute necro.
My post was for people who actually love oplaying it the way it is but might be scared about people's opinion :D

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Originally Posted by Voltron_HD

well this really blows. As my dps main is a smn'r, i refuse to give up on the class.....but they are making it rough....really reaaaallllyy rough

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If you don't like how a job is right now, I highly recommend that you switch. Staying on SMN will only make SE think that the job is it. I switched from WHM when I knew that it wasn't going to have it's problems addressed. My WHM is still rotting at 60 and will stay that way for a long time

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

If you don't like how a job is right now, I highly recommend that you switch. Staying on SMN will only make SE think that the job is it. I switched from WHM when I knew that it wasn't going to have it's problems addressed. My WHM is still rotting at 60 and will stay that way for a long time

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Mm.

I did the same thing with MCH.

for me , SMN is still fine , i just want the sustain back

missed rotations aren't really a thing if you dont play savage content

It's not like the couldn't fix sustain for summoner, they just didn't want to. They don't see why summoner needs it. As far as "now I am going to be kicked from every raid!" I don't think the raid community is that bad as you paint it. A lot of them are laid back.

As far as other developers have told me in other game forums, you can't just resolve every issue right away. You have to look at it carefully and make sure that these fixes don't snow all into more problems by making a class over powered or underpowered. I am sure they will address the damage in time. I do acknowledge summoner is going through a problem. I am not turning an eye away from the glaring issues.

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Originally Posted by KfLeX

I was thinking about this, wondering if they are slowly making players less interested in playing it and eventually going to delete the job. I hope not though I love summoner

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That's when I permanently unsubscribe from this game and never look back.

The developers need to dig deep and make Summoner & Scholar a priority for total revamps in 5.0.

Man this feels like Bard 3.X all over again. SMNs you have my sympathies.

SMN is my main DPS class. The lack of major changes sucks, but it's honestly no different from how we were at launch. I'm still going to play SMN; I'm still going to manage good output.

In 4.1, though, I would like to see RDM brought back down to earth. In the long-term, Devotion isn't enough utility to offer over a caster class with insta-raise/cure/embolden/awesome DPS.

I guess we didn't get our point across. SMN main since 2.0 ofc I was waiting til today to see if anything was going to change. Fixes for all except SMN. If a company doesn't care about what a portion of its paying clients say, then to me, they are exclusionary, narrow minded and arrogant. Unsubbed with malice. I'll be damned if I'm waiting til 5.0 only to find the only change is the ability to scale the size amd position of Bahumut.

Not only did they ignore all of the PVE issues, but they nerfed them in PVP as well.

Honestly, I really do think the devs hate summoner.

Boggles the mind why they couldn't give back Sustain.
All they had to do was simply add the spell back, no big change or huge coding or anything.
If they needed time to fix anything else, alright...
but why they no give pet heal back!?
I just don't understand? Pet can't live, SE. Help them!
I would even suggest to replace Phsyick with it.
I just feel bad since I know how it feels to have a job on hold for so long.
(Bard for me. 2.0 Bard just sucked and it took 2 expansions to get it right. ): )
Hang in there guys!

Oh and fix Chicken Nugget aka Titan Egi.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

Shame, it just gets more and more braindead.

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Giving something punishing mechanics doesn't make it not braindead. Things can be made rewarding, not braindead, and not be punishing all in one go. Will we see it for SMN...

Square Enix tend to use punishing systems before rewarding systems, best example was Fatigue System in 1.x
https://youtu.be/abE09-tqhoM

I can see it now: "5.0 SMN Buffs! Please look forward to it!"

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

They should just make other players bahamut not show up for you when you set the FX from other players to be low.

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This is the most intelligent post I've seen in weeks.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

I can see it now: "5.0 SMN Buffs! Please look forward to it!"

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That's basically what they told us during Final Coil: "Sorry BLM is basically better than you in every way, but hey! 3.0! You all alt MNKs, right?".

I never liked FFXIV incarnation of SMN, maybe the time for a deep rework has come??