Yellow Scrip gear

Wild idea there but perhaps scrip gear should have a bonus if wearing the full set (tools included) when you are a specialist.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

There won't be a capped scrip. We'll have red and yellow for the foreseeable future.


You could probably buy the mats for the crafted set for less than 1 mil as well. Meld a craft V/control V onto each left side piece, and a control V on the MH tool, that'll put you at 2 craftsmanship above the full scrip set, and 8 control below it. No pentamelding needed, and it's a set for all DoH classes.
You could even switch out the crafted MH tool for the yellow scrip one, and that'll put you at +30 craftsmanship/+7 control over the full yellow scrip set.

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I just hit 70 with LTW and WVR and made my own set of 290. Since you made the recommendation of the left side, WHat should I set to the right side and on the off hand?

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Wild idea there but perhaps scrip gear should have a bonus if wearing the full set (tools included) when you are a specialist.

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I actually really like this idea. I wish set bonuses were more of a thing generally.

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Originally Posted by Biohazardx

I just hit 70 with LTW and WVR and made my own set of 290. Since you made the recommendation of the left side, WHat should I set to the right side and on the off hand?

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It wasn't really a recommendation, but just to show how easy it is to get to the same stats as the yellow scrips.

You're better off prioritizing CP before craftsmanship/control.

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Originally Posted by NJA

I actually really like this idea. I wish set bonuses were more of a thing generally.

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I'm torn...on the one hand that could be kinda cool...on the other hand, I HATE the very concept of job specific gear - I do not want to maintain multiple crafting sets unless they want to expand our armory X 2, then - maybe.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

I'm torn...on the one hand that could be kinda cool...on the other hand, I HATE the very concept of job specific gear - I do not want to maintain multiple crafting sets unless they want to expand our armory X 2, then - maybe.

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15 combat jobs. 8 DoH. 3 DoL. 35 slots per Armoury Chest page.

I don't see why there should be any problem with having job-specific gear all around, space-wise. There's room. I don't really like it for the crafters/gatherers because it creates a big issue with melding everything (its 8 times the crafting sets to be melded, and 3 times the gathering sets to be melded) when all DoH need to be melded the same way, and all DoH need to be melded the same way.

DoM/DoW gear, I'd be all for nothing but job-specific gear sets. While yes, all tanks need to be melded the same way, not all healers want the same things, and the DPS casters all want their own stuff meld-wise.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

15 combat jobs. 8 DoH. 3 DoL. 35 slots per Armoury Chest page.

I don't see why there should be any problem with having job-specific gear all around, space-wise. There's room. I don't really like it for the crafters/gatherers because it creates a big issue with melding everything (its 8 times the crafting sets to be melded, and 3 times the gathering sets to be melded) when all DoH need to be melded the same way, and all DoH need to be melded the same way.

DoM/DoW gear, I'd be all for nothing but job-specific gear sets. While yes, all tanks need to be melded the same way, not all healers want the same things, and the DPS casters all want their own stuff meld-wise.

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There is room if you have all the jobs at 70 and keep no glamour gear in the armory. I'm going to go ahead and guess most people have more jobs not 70 than 70...so you have TONS of gear at different levels. There is no where near enough space.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

15 combat jobs. 8 DoH. 3 DoL. 35 slots per Armoury Chest page.

I don't see why there should be any problem with having job-specific gear all around, space-wise. There's room. I don't really like it for the crafters/gatherers because it creates a big issue with melding everything (its 8 times the crafting sets to be melded, and 3 times the gathering sets to be melded) when all DoH need to be melded the same way, and all DoH need to be melded the same way.

DoM/DoW gear, I'd be all for nothing but job-specific gear sets. While yes, all tanks need to be melded the same way, not all healers want the same things, and the DPS casters all want their own stuff meld-wise.

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Not gonna lie, there simply isn't enough inventory space to hold on to all the job specific stuff, especially if this relic line takes a twist and includes armor.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

There is room if you have all the jobs at 70 and keep no glamour gear in the armory. I'm going to go ahead and guess most people have more jobs not 70 than 70...so you have TONS of gear at different levels. There is no where near enough space.

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26 gear slots taken by all 26 classes/jobs, 35 slots per page.

That's 9 slots extra (technically ten because you cannot keep all 26 in inventory, one has to be worn).

If that is not enough room, then people are not being smart about their inventory. No, it is NOT smart to hold on to every gear set level as you level MNK just so you have gear for your SAM. Your SAM will earn its own gear as you go. If you want to carry all that extra gear around, carry just enough for the SAM to grow into, and not stuff higher than that.

As for Glamour gear - once you have it Glamoured onto something else, store it on a retainer. Yes, you need to keep it. But no, you don't need to hold onto it to keep the look.

There's more than enough room. You just cannot be stupid about it.

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

I understand the logic in the 290 gear but i have 3 sets of yellow script (just my specs) and i feel its gona do just fine amd i meanshit it was practically free lol. Ill prob do like another person in this thread get a piece or two of the crafted gear and meld it if i have to. But with full YS and food i think its highly unlikely that ill have to.

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This always bugged me, and leaves me thinking how well people understand the concept of opportunity cost. Right now it is 44 yellow scripts (max) per Twinsilk Sash of Casting, this takes 7 twinthread or 28 twincoons. now it is 1300 for tool, 400 for hat, 900 for body, 400 for hands, 350 for legs, 350 for feet, total 3700, you would need to craft 85 of these things for the set, 85 times 28= 2380, now if we assume an average of 5 items gained every 20 seconds with self gathering, that is 9520 seconds, that is about 2.5 hours, then to craft a thread it is about 15 seconds, since it seems quick synth would break a lot if you are in the process of gearing, so then it is 9 synths, because 7 for the threads, plus 2 more to make the cloths, to do that 85 times is 11475 seconds or 3 hours, so to gather the threads and craft them yourself (this neglects the Grade 1 Reisui of Intelligence stuff) you are looking at 5+ hours of work, in this time you could make something in 30 seconds or so and sell it for 100k+, it is far cheaper to meld the i290 stuff, even as "free" you are losing money from crafting something that you could be selling in the time it takes you 5+ hours to do. You did not do 3 sets for free, in 2 hours, it is not mathematically possible. It is not even possible do that with one set for "free" You make WAY more money with the i290 set and penta melding them. (Plus better stats)

The yellow script gear is not worth the effort, time, or money (if you buy all the materials) to make. SE really needs to really analyze what they implement.

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

This always bugged me, and leaves me thinking how well people understand the concept of opportunity cost. Right now it is 44 yellow scripts (max) per Twinsilk Sash of Casting, this takes 7 twinthread or 28 twincoons. now it is 1300 for tool, 400 for hat, 900 for body, 400 for hands, 350 for legs, 350 for feet, total 3700, you would need to craft 85 of these things for the set, 85 times 28= 2380, now if we assume an average of 5 items gained every 20 seconds with self gathering, that is 9520 seconds, that is about 2.5 hours, then to craft a thread it is about 15 seconds, since it seems quick synth would break a lot if you are in the process of gearing, so then it is 9 synths, because 7 for the threads, plus 2 more to make the cloths, to do that 85 times is 11475 seconds or 3 hours, so to gather the threads and craft them yourself (this neglects the Grade 1 Reisui of Intelligence stuff) you are looking at 5+ hours of work, in this time you could make something in 30 seconds or so and sell it for 100k+, it is far cheaper to meld the i290 stuff, even as "free" you are losing money from crafting something that you could be selling in the time it takes you 5+ hours to do. You did not do 3 sets for free, in 2 hours, it is not mathematically possible. It is not even possible do that with one set for "free" You make WAY more money with the i290 set and penta melding them. (Plus better stats)

The yellow script gear is not worth the effort, time, or money (if you buy all the materials) to make. SE really needs to really analyze what they implement.

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Your wrong!!! Sorry, I'm just kidding. I completely agree. People moan about spending about 2-3m for a full ilvl 290 set then gather & waste that amount on mats just to e.g. craft 1 yellow crafter scrip top that can only be used by 1 of 8 crafters (Varies by server ofc). Gathering mats isn't free, it takes time & even then you could sell those mats you were going to use to get yellow crafter scrips on the market board & e.g. buy a full crafting set or mats to try & make your own which should be even cheaper.

On my server I could penta-meld a ilvl 290 set (grade 5s/4s) for about the same it'd cost to get 1 of the 8 yellow scrip crafting set.

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

This always bugged me, and leaves me thinking how well people understand the concept of opportunity cost.

The yellow script gear is not worth the effort, time, or money (if you buy all the materials) to make. SE really needs to really analyze what they implement.

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I have never played an MMO where the average player understands the concept of opportunity cost...I mean few people do IRL so it has never surprised me.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

I have never played an MMO where the average player understands the concept of opportunity cost...I mean few people do IRL so it has never surprised me.

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You would think people that put in a large effort in crafting would and how much time some things can take to do. Regardless I am happy to see a thread basically saying these script gear is an issue with the amount of time it takes to get them. I really do not understand to no end how it seems battle stuff is handed to players while with crafting you have to do so much for it.

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Originally Posted by tayler1480

Your wrong!!! Sorry, I'm just kidding. I completely agree. People moan about spending about 2-3m for a full ilvl 290 set then gather & waste that amount on mats just to e.g. craft 1 yellow crafter scrip top that can only be used by 1 of 8 crafters (Varies by server ofc). Gathering mats isn't free, it takes time & even then you could sell those mats you were going to use to get yellow crafter scrips on themarket board & e.g. buy a full crafting set or mats to try & make your own which should be even cheaper.

On my server I could penta-meld a ilvl 290 set (grade 5s/4s) for about the same it'd cost to get 1 of the 8 yellow scrip crafting set.

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the alch potions is 3 per synth, so if you need 85 syths, you need do it 29 times, that means its 29 Diatomite (im assuming healing but it is is just for an idea, personally if i was doing the scripts id buy the points at this point. 58 Holy Basil, 58 Dandelion, and 28 Gyr Abanian Mineral Water, prob like 10-20? mins to gather all that and hoppin to each area, now the BIG thing I forgot, and I just remembered crafting 2 of them to sell. IF you are not geared yet trying to get these script items for gear, it is likely you are doing the makers mark rotation? if there is something quicker, it is still a good minute + to do them. For me it is 2 and 1/2 minutes per craft, and times that by 85 would yield 3.5 hours. There is no way in heck someone is doing yellow scripts for "free" in 2 hrs for 1 set. Gathering raw, you are looking at around 8 hrs to do the wvr set, to gather raw and craft the mats and finally the 85 synths. This is way too high of a cost, I like to know what SE was thinking with this system. I am not willing to put 14 million gil of work into one yellow script set, just getting the i290 and penta melding it, way more cost effective and time efficient.

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

For me it is 2 and 1/2 minutes per craft [...]I am not willing to put 14 million gil of work into one yellow script set, just getting the i290 and penta melding it, way more cost effective and time efficient.

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If you finish a level 70 craft in 2 minutes and a half with a pentamelded set, there is definitely something you do wrong.

I hate to join in this conversation without contributing to the comparison of stats, time, money... But you know what, the biggest problem with them yellow scrip gear, is that they are just not that pretty...

In contrast, the HW class-spec gear sets, despite the favor nightmares, were at least very pretty.

The only thing ive gotten from yellow scrips is the BSM tool!

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

If you finish a level 70craft in 2 minutes and a half with a pentamelded set, there is definitely something you do wrong.

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makers mark rotation, if you are already geared (like having the i290 set to begin with) then you do not need yellow script gear do you? i was doing 19-22 step yellow script rotations for my tool with everything else i290, skipping the maker's mark need, (well 3 ironworks right, peta melded and would be pricey to replace since the only way to gain stats is penta melding them or using VI in the first slot, for the 2 I did replace, they where not bis and I did not like the melds, and I wanted more CP) this still takes about a minute and with needing 85 of them in the case of my weaver example, that is still 1 hour and a half, and that is the point of being geared where you do not need the set. I already pointed that out in the post you are quoting though:

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

the alch potions is 3 per synth, so if you need 85 syths, you need do it 29 times, that means its 29 Diatomite (im assuming healing but it is is just for an idea, personally if i was doing the scripts id buy the points at this point. 58 Holy Basil, 58 Dandelion, and 28 Gyr Abanian Mineral Water, prob like 10-20? mins to gather all that and hoppin to each area, now the BIG thing I forgot, and I just remembered crafting 2 of them to sell. IF you are not geared yet trying to get these script items for gear, it is likely you are doing the makers mark rotation? if there is something quicker, it is still a good minute + to do them. For me it is 2 and 1/2 minutes per craft, and times that by 85 would yield 3.5 hours. There is no way in heck someone is doing yellow scripts for "free" in 2 hrs for 1 set. Gathering raw, you are looking at around 8 hrs to do the wvr set, to gather raw and craft the mats and finally the 85 synths. This is way too high of a cost, I like to know what SE was thinking with this system. I am not willing to put 14 million gil of work into one yellow script set, just getting the i290 and penta melding it, way more cost effective and time efficient.

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The tools are fine since you need 1 tool per craft anyway, but that is assuming you are geared everywhere else first. The actual gear, having someone collect scripts for the gear, and be a true upgrade to their current gear, it is likely they need some time to craft for them. (makers mark rotations) and those hover around 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

no..the HQ white can easily be melded to be better than the yellow. I really don't know who the yellow is for...it takes just as much effort to make collectables to by the scrip gear as it would be to farm grade V materia (via red scrip) and meld the HQ white.

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I don't know if they look nice, but the equivalent for Heavensward looked quite nice for most classes. So maybe glamour, the real end game. : )