Ooooh More Emnity

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, like WAR no longer doing 80% of a DPS jobs damage. How dare they!

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I mean warrior still does 80% of MOST dps players damage because most dps suck at those class and I can still easily out dps a poorly played dps.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Oh I dont have this problem. I'm just saying, its always WAR's complaining they dont do enough DPS anymore, its one of my FC members' favorite complaint.

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Warriors aren't my complaint g about lower dps in relation to other dps we are complaining about having low dps as compared to other tanks. We have no raid utility the other tanks do we need to do quite a bit more damage to make up for that just like se made tge arguement to justify sam dps. War is in the same place its the sam of tanks without doing more damage when played optimally.

I guess I'm not seeing the issue here. The increase in enmity generation will greatly assist tanks in low level instances. In particular, light parties with red mages or samurai. Those guys can rip aggro of a tank in no time.

Furthermore, wouldn't the fact tanks generate even more enmity grant high level tanks more opportunities to use their higher damage abilities? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

I guess I'm not seeing the issue here. The increase in enmity generation will greatly assist tanks in low level instances. In particular, light parties with red mages or samurai. Those guys can rip aggro of a tank in no time.

Furthermore, wouldn't the fact tanks generate even more enmity grant high level tanks more opportunities to use their higher damage abilities? :confused:

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But tanks are just suppose to hold hate and use def CDs. Why do we need to do anything more than flash?

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Originally Posted by Gravton

But tanks are just suppose to hold hate and use def CDs. Why do we need to do anything more than flash?

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Hahahaha! Nice joke.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

As someone that was turned off of tanking somewhere around Cutter's Cry, I can't really complain here. But all I'm seeing is a bunch of end-gamers wailing without any consideration for what it means for the learning tanks.

Maybe it's just because I don't view tanking the same as the rest of you, idk. I mean, I get it, you don't want to just be the party lightning rod so everyone else can do their fun things. But if I were gonna jump back onto PLD or something, I'd still be focused first on keeping aggro, and if that's getting buffed, at least it means I'll have a better chance of trying my other fun things. Not that it really matters to me. Mostly just felt like pretending to make a difference on that front.

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Its because SE has made tanking at higher levels so mind numbingly easy that the only enjoyment people can find in it is maximizing their dps. This happened in 3.0 and instead of addressing the issue then (they had AST and MCH to worry about), they put it off until now and its biting them in the ass. All the Tank jobs need a fundamental reworking if SE wants us to not focus on dps.

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Originally Posted by Alphras

Tanks and Healers are also responsible for their dps, which actually makes these roles somewhat interesting. Tanking and healing mechanics are way too shallow to stand on their own feet.

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This is true, but this is why I think the entire Tank role and possibly raid / mob damage needs to be adjusted. Right now they've just taken away the dps and given us nothing in return, they need to give us something to do more fitting to a Tank's role. Possibly same for Healers too. Every class simply being "a different kind of dps" isn't good. At least IMO.

Why though? Mechanically it doesn't really make a difference if you optimize dps or dtps (if the systems are similar in complexity). Personally I favor the dps optimization of this game over the damage smoothing and hps checks of others. The risk/reward balancing and per fight optimization of cooldowns and dps uptime is just more interesting for me.

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Originally Posted by Alphras

Why though? Mechanically it doesn't really make a difference if you optimize dps or dtps (if the systems are similar in complexity). Personally I favor the dps optimization of this game over the damage smoothing and hps checks of others. The risk/reward balancing and per fight optimization of cooldowns and dps uptime is just more interesting for me.

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Because it makes every class the same. If every class is optimize dps, then every class is going to feel too similar. Dps manages dps, Tanks manage mitigation, Healers manage hps / mana. It allows people to play to whatever playstyle they want. If you want to dps, play a dps. Why make dps the main mechanic of a Tank when dps classes already exist?

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Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo

You mean before the big patch? Yeah that was noted IRT Souleater and Inner Beast. I don't think anybody is really sure why.

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No, I mean between 4.0 and 4.01.

For the last 2 weeks, Souleater has been returning 100% damage dealt as HP, regardless of the tooltip change ("a portion").

But now after 4.01, it's not returning 100%. More like 80-90%.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

No, I mean between 4.0 and 4.01.

For the last 2 weeks, Souleater has been returning 100% damage dealt as HP, regardless of the tooltip change ("a portion").

But now after 4.01, it's not returning 100%. More like 80-90%.

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That's really interesting. What you're talking about usually gradually would happen as you got closer to level 70. Now you're saying it's happening at level 60?

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

SE, seriously, you add anymore aggro to flash and I'm going to be able to use it once then afk for the rest of the pull.

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Having done some testing, the magic number in Experts is three. Three flashes and no non-boss mob will come off you before it is dead even if you just stand there.

If you were level 60.

Since 4.0 dropped Souleater's return at 70 has been 88%