Hey, YOU, Non-search user still shouting first. STOP IT

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Sometimes a well placed shout can work wonders, not everyone is always seeking if they are considering leveling.

Hell in XI I joined tons of parties when I seen a shout and was like...sure why the hell not. Let people shout, let people seek, both ways parties can be formed.

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Same feeling here. Party search and shouting work for different people.

Party search needs a conscious decision and action on my part to look for/join a random party -- something not likely to happen with well connected players.

Shouts are passive on my part. If it sounds interesting and I'm not doing anything else, I might actually join.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Sometimes a well placed shout can work wonders, not everyone is always seeking if they are considering leveling.

Hell in XI I joined tons of parties when I seen a shout and was like...sure why the hell not. Let people shout, let people seek, both ways parties can be formed.

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This. At least 1,000 times.

I think the OP point is that he want to encourage players to try using search first. So far, most players not use search because they think only JP use it. But if everybody think it like this, nobody will ever start using search and good system will never begin with English players. So, to start this off, we should encourage players to search first, and shut later.

@OP. People are going to shout whether you like it or not, forever, get over it and move on. It's been a standard way to communicate in mmos since well, forever. Some people find it easier that way, some just prefer it, hell some may just not know or feel like using search. Fact is, they will do it and continue to do it for who knows whatever reason no matter how much you whine to everyone on the forum.

You know what would really cut down on the /sh? Global chat.

/canofworms

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you c an turn off shout

and even in some other games(11 for example) people STILL shouted even when they had the search function, cuz not everyone is on it at any given time

its quite easy to shout, and find that 1 person who just logged on, the person who was in the middle of crafting waiting for shouts to get into a group
etc etc

they both have their use but dont demand people to stop using 1 cuz you dont like it

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In 11 it was considered (at least amongst most people I knew) stupid to start shouting for exp party. Shouts were mainly reserved for special "parties" such as shout group for BCNMs or Nyzul Isle. In 11 you knew that if you wanted a party, you put your party flag up.

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Originally Posted by Doho

here's a solution. instead of posting about it here, just send a courteous tell to the person shouting encouraging them to use the new search feature. if they're unaware of the new feature, chances are they're not frequenting the forums. sooo... i mean, yeah...

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Yeah, lets not discuss anything on the forums and individually start telling people off when they do something wrong... What a brilliant idea /sarcasm off

Regarding the OP, I actually agree with the OP that search feature should be used more, but tbh I am sure the shouting will get less and less the more succesful the search function gets. I am sure for now it's just people sticking old habits and not knowing how to work the search feature correct.

All shouting is not bad though... if you are missing a member or two and there is no one seeking on your level your shout might get those two to join you.
Like for example yesterday, my friend and I decided to make exp party and suddenly we saw a shout that there was a pt building on our level and was missing 2 members... BAM, we got in and off we went to get some exp.

BUT search > shout!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

You know what would really cut down on the /sh? Global chat.

/canofworms

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Yep. Been saying this for a year now.

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i think why the OP is warning u to not shout given the huge echo you'll hear with servers being dead.

Most people more than likely are using Search in conjunction with shouting. The few exp parties I was able to snag this weekend used a combination of both. The search feature is a great tool but I think the reason many people are still shouting has less to do with not knowing how to use the search function and more to do with empty servers.

Hi OP. I think those not using the new party search features mostly do not know about it.

They do not read forums or check patch notes on a whole, which I can't blame them for. It's like buying a game, popping the disc in and start playing without reading the manual or looking up what each of the game updates are doing.

The more folks that can be informed in-game, the more versatility we will have later.

Let people shout their lungs out man. What is it to you?

Shouts don't bother me, I'm glad they're there but I wish people tried the new search system, it's really well done and finding a party would be very easy if everyone used it. The OP's just trying to promote the new system and in a way he is right, we should encourage people to use the better system now before they forget about it without even giving it a chance.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Hi OP. I think those not using the new party search features mostly do not know about it.

They do not read forums or check patch notes on a whole, which I can't blame them for. It's like buying a game, popping the disc in and start playing without reading the manual or looking up what each of the game updates are doing.

The more folks that can be informed in-game, the more versatility we will have later.

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OP doesn't even know whether the people shouting haven't used the search feature. I used it Sunday and I still had to shout. I waited about 30 minutes before I did it.

I use both, feels like I get half the party off search, the other half comes from a shout. Wish more people set LFG and put what they want to do in description so I can decide if I want to send them a tell

Honestly, the interface is so bad that it's unusable. If you cannot figure it out by just looking at it for 5-10 seconds then it will not be used by most people.

Get used to people shouting for parties. It's not their fault. It's Square Enix's for not developing an intuitive easy to use tool to group players together.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

You know what would really cut down on the /sh? Global chat.

/canofworms

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You know what will increase chat spam? Global Chat.

Also global solution: Introduce /yell from XI that works between the major cities (since yes people do hang out in more than just ul'dah.)

But since that's from FFXI I guess we'll have to sacrifice a few babies because it was mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

You know what will increase chat spam? Global Chat.

Also global solution: Introduce /yell from XI that works between the major cities (since yes people do hang out in more than just ul'dah.)

But since that's from FFXI I guess we'll have to sacrifice a few babies because it was mentioned.

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That's actually what I meant when I said global chat. I dare say most people who've played WoW would have understood that's what I meant, but I could've been clearer.

this is clearly a post to raise awareness of the party search, not an actual complaint about shouting.

I dont have a problem with shouting for parties since it helps along with search, but ONLY if people start using search/start marking themselves as seeking party.

The new search is much better than before, and you've got multiple icons to set for your character as well as current and/or preferred class.

yea i think people are looking at the op wrong, its not a no one should shout thread, its a, if people dont start using the search and telling others to use the search, then search will die because no one uses it. And if no one uses it, every one will have to shout, and stay in 1 main town 90% of the time, which is less than ideal

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Originally Posted by Physic

yea i think people are looking at the op wrong, its not a no one should shout thread, its a, if people dont start using the search and telling others to use the search, then search will die because no one uses it. And if no one uses it, every one will have to shout, and stay in 1 main town 90% of the time, which is less than ideal

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Indeed -- SE implemented the search features for a reason yet people aren't using it as much as they should. Even if they added /sea commands from FFXI people still wouldn't do it and #occupyUl`Dah for the rest of time.

Maybe a "How to use the Search Function" thread would've been better, with sections for "If you're a party leader looking for more, do this/If you're looking for a party, do that," instead of getting mad and telling people to STOP IT, would be more effective.

In fact, I encourage anyone to make a thread on this. It's a little confusing when you open it up the first time.

I like to shout instead of using the search system because its vintage. I do it ironically. *snaps his fingers, drinks his macchiato*

You the person that makes retarded threads about stupid stuff that only you find to be annoying. Stop making threads.

They just need to add an option for a person to seek for specifically dungeon, party, mission, etc. Like how our party seek was, we're basically dealing with a bunch of non-xi players also who don't know what a seacom is or why people would put something in it, not knowing in xi you basically had to advertise why you were better in there. But it will never work if no one uses it, if you're reasoning is "its not xi's" you're a retard, get a better reason.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

They just need to add an option for a person to seek for specifically dungeon, party, mission, etc. Like how our party seek was, we're basically dealing with a bunch of non-xi players also who don't know what a seacom is or why people would put something in it, not knowing in xi you basically had to advertise why you were better in there. But it will never work if no one uses it, if you're reasoning is "its not xi's" you're a retard, get a better reason.

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hello no. the search commentary is fine. people who played ffxi learned to use it, people who played ffxiv should too.
why deso everyone assume people who play ffxiv are retarded?
the party system had a reason to party menu and it made things cluttered and clunky.

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Originally Posted by tou

You the person that makes retarded threads about stupid stuff that only you find to be annoying. Stop making threads.

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Its not that they found it annoying, its that its driving the point that more people need to start using the search system to find parties or people seeking for parties. I know i've had my searching for a party flag up, with specific classes and comments, yet never received one tell for a party...and I was online for quite some time.

Got lucky on a return to Ul'dah where someone was shouting about forming one.

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Originally Posted by Alkoun

Maybe a "How to use the Search Function" thread would've been better, with sections for "If you're a party leader looking for more, do this/If you're looking for a party, do that," instead of getting mad and telling people to STOP IT, would be more effective.

In fact, I encourage anyone to make a thread on this. It's a little confusing when you open it up the first time.

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Exactly. Either a dev created thread or a well detailed player created one would be great.

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Originally Posted by Alkoun

It's a little confusing when you open it up the first time.

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It's "Junk on the Street".

It should be the simplest task to advertise that you are looking to join a group. It is unnecessarily complicated by their interface.

Hopefully the JP players are providing feedback to SE that they don't like it either.

OP, how do you know that the shouters haven't already tried the search feature, and had no luck? : /

Instead of telling people to stop shouting which everyone will continue to do, tell people to stop abusing the search function. I sent 5 different people seeking party for moggle fight and they all had different reasons why they didnt want to join. 1) they were in a xp pt 2) they were tired 3) no response at all 4) Can I help them with their prereqs first?

People will be idiots.

if people used the search function it would be alot faster to make a party and and you can do everything from there. not /sh in ul'dah and only people in ul'dah can see it.

I'm using the new search system and churning out groups left and right! But I also shout as I search

Also I'd like to know how this system is hard to use? O_o seriously? You select your specifics and hit search...

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Originally Posted by Zahak

I'm using the new search system and churning out groups left and right! But I also shout as I search

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Combo of the two would be best.

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

Setting the class with the correct level? I saw a level 50 con, comment was exp on 26 arc and the retard didn't set his prefer class to arc so he will never get an invite of course that way.

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soooo, instead of me being able to craft while waiting for a party, i have to sit on my batle job and hope and pray that someone comes along and notices me on my job so i can party and waste time dawdling, rather than get something productive done? not the example you used, but your insinuating it, and quite frankly, im insulted, and i just came on to see what this was about.. thank god im not in your server for your sake. id shout just for the hell of it!

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Originally Posted by Veltaine

soooo, instead of me being able to craft while waiting for a party, i have to sit on my batle job and hope and pray that someone comes along and notices me on my job so i can party and waste time dawdling, rather than get something productive done? not the example you used, but your insinuating it, and quite frankly, im insulted, and i just came on to see what this was about.. thank god im not in your server for your sake. id shout just for the hell of it!

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Ideally, you should be able to craft, set your preferred class in search to whatever you wanted to party with, and go from there.

Blah blah... I must tell people what to do, this isn't jump, WoW ruins immersion, use the shout feature and stop using the search UI in Ul'dah.

Shouts good, reminds you there are still people playing!

Agreed. Shouting is fine to raise awareness a little, but use the Search function first.

I am not going to say turn off shouts, or if you are party leader don't shout cause you are annoying. Shouting is a viable option. But please try and use the search function, AND If you are party leader, List you party under the seeking members and set that up as well. Technically we now have three ways to get members into parties. Using all three only optimizes your chance of filling that group up faster. And if you are seeking a party, for the love of Twelve put a comment on what you are seeking for.