Thanks for ruining Mateus, SE.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Theres still tons of houses left in the goblet. There were a couple in the mist, hadnt checked lav beds, but this was as of yesterday.

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This. Unless there's been some sweep of everything in the last few days, last I checked around, there were dozens of Smalls still available. Mostly Goblet, some Lavender. Mist looked pretty full.

Admittedly, for an FC house, a small might not feel great. But it's still available. Plus with the new zone coming, hopefully with housing transfer, who knows what will open up as players move. Hard to say yet if we've filled up enough that there will be a big housing rush like on other servers.

All that said, I do kinda miss the emptiness, myself. It wasn't really a good thing for an MMO, but I still enjoyed the lack of crowds.

Following up on this topic, I found THIS little gem on tumbler - two people apparently own almost an entire ward of housing on Mateus...

After hearing about Mateus, I was going to come there after moving from Gilgamesh. I leveled a character to 5 to check housing, and there was absolutely 0 houses (2 days ago). So, I opted for Goblin. As of two days ago, we still had 3 small Mist houses, and a bunch of small and medium Goblet houses.

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Originally Posted by LarienTiwele

Following up on this topic, I found THIS little gem on tumbler - two people apparently own almost an entire ward of housing on Mateus...

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Rather fascinating read. Honestly I'm on-side with the guys who own the ward there; they bought those plots and turned them into something interesting long before the 'Balmung refugee crisis'. They were a group of players who came to Mateus because it spoke to them, and it had the space they needed to envision their goal of building their very own settlement. The fact that suddenly all the plots have evaporated overnight, a year after they built their project isn't their fault, and the natives especially complaining they missed out really have no excuse for sitting on this so long.

I'll probably go pay their ward a visit tommorow and see if I can draw any tips for decorating my own pad from their work.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

Rather fascinating read. Honestly I'm on-side with the guys who own the ward there; they bought those plots and turned them into something interesting long before the 'Balmung refugee crisis'. They were a group of players who came to Mateus because it spoke to them, and it had the space they needed to envision their goal of building their very own settlement. The fact that suddenly all the plots have evaporated overnight, a year after they built their project isn't their fault, and the natives especially complaining they missed out really have no excuse for sitting on this so long.

I'll probably go pay their ward a visit tommorow and see if I can draw any tips for decorating my own pad from their work.

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Iunno, ive seen more mateus natives mad housing is gone and blaming balmungian transfers for it than balmungians complaining theres no housing. They are used to not having any :P

Heck, i've seen people blaming people from Balmung for tons of things, calling them rats, and all sorts of stuff. lol

Just bide your time, save some gil because the second that the Balmung population drops to the point where the server can open up, your refugee's will drop Mateus like it's hot and run back to Balmung and you'll be able to get a house then.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Heck, i've seen people blaming people from Balmung for tons of things, calling them rats, and all sorts of stuff. lol

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Yeah I'm a transfer myself, and people have been pretty unpleasant about it. Indeed the first Mateus FC we joined, we ended up leaving after they became hostile to us.

Your FC had YEARS to get enough gil to buy a house with empty plots and didn't and now its other people's fault for finally showing up years later to buy them?

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

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Their homes are actually not that well decorated. These pictures were lifted off a Discord I'm a part of:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...017_003009.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...017_001841.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...017_002413.png

In all honesty, they should relinquish the plots and just keep two if they're all just as bad as this sampling. FFXIV is also not the game for this type of debauchery, they should play The Sims or Minecraft where they're not going to affect other people's level of enjoyment in a MMO.

I'm laughing so hard right now. Remember all the times when someone from Balmung mentioned housing and no one cared because #Balmung problems. How the tables are turning. :D
And as for the guys that own the ward. As long as they are using the houses and enjoying I don't care how many they have...even if they were on Balmung. Better that than empty shell FC houses or people who buy for profit.

Hmm , after reading this ,the need is great to create an alt on Mateus to help with the login queues .

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Originally Posted by LarienTiwele

Following up on this topic, I found THIS little gem on tumbler - two people apparently own almost an entire ward of housing on Mateus...

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This is why we advocate for one house per account........

The server "spoke" to them? You're kidding right? Please tell me they're joking. I liked balmung a lot while I was still on there but it never "spoke" to me. A poster above me is right, these houses aren't even that great IMO. They aren't terrible but they could be better. After reading that post, I was expecting to be blown away.

Anyway, like I said before this is EXACTLY WHY we advocate for one house per account.

Now, on the other hand, I can't really get mad at them. They aren't wrong. Nobody really wanted those houses before, so they took them. I wouldn't buy more than one house on my account out of principle (I had the chance too.)

EDIT: Now me not being mad at them doesn't mean I think what they're doing is ethical, it isn't at all and I don't support it one bit.

There's one more thing I want to add in regards to that gem.

You didn't own the server. SE does. People have every right to come here for whatever reason just like they did with Balmung. Your home? I'm a Faerie native. How would you like if I told you that you couldn't go to Faerie because it was my home?

Hey, Balmung transfers.

Stop harassing unrelated people (on both Balmung and Mateus) that have anything with Moon (eg, "moonlight") in their name. I've seen it on Facebook and tumblr. That's not going to make you any more popular with the natives.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Hey, Balmung transfers.

Stop harassing unrelated people (on both Balmung and Mateus) that have anything with Moon (eg, "moonlight") in their name. I've seen it on Facebook and tumblr. That's not going to make you any more popular with the natives.

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How about just no harassment from anyone? for any reason?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

How about just no harassment from anyone? for any reason?

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Absolutely.

I'm specifically mentioning this because I've seen two people harassed by people from Balmung today alone. The harassers know who they are and I know they can see this, I'm just not willing to name names.

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Originally Posted by LarienTiwele

Following up on this topic, I found THIS little gem on tumbler - two people apparently own almost an entire ward of housing on Mateus...

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I saw that, I'm embarrassed to share a server with them.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Hey, Balmung transfers.

Stop harassing unrelated people (on both Balmung and Mateus) that have anything with Moon (eg, "moonlight") in their name. I've seen it on Facebook and tumblr. That's not going to make you any more popular with the natives.

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Don't just pin this on the Balmung folks - its everyone. I just ran past someone in the housing ward with the search info "Balmung rejects go back home". Like let's just say "No harassment from anyone for any reason regarding this."

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Originally Posted by LarienTiwele

Following up on this topic, I found THIS little gem on tumbler - two people apparently own almost an entire ward of housing on Mateus...

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And the sad part is SE won't do a thing about this becasue they will say that they got them "fairly" Or not even implement some feature in the game that will allow people to only have one house per account, or be able to make alts tenants. I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

You couldnt amass enough gil after a year for you and your friends to get a house?

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of course not! didnt you read what she say before only 5 ppl was before on this server how you can make gil when only 5 ppl on this server all market bord are empty or noone there to buy your stuff! :rolleyes:

regards hobbit

RE: Harassment

Just report all the incidents of it.
Let the GM's handle it.


And if the GM's get overflooded with harassment claims due to the transfers...
Well... SE might take notice.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Their homes are actually not that well decorated.

In all honesty, they should relinquish the plots and just keep two if they're all just as bad as this sampling. FFXIV is also not the game for this type of debauchery, they should play The Sims or Minecraft where they're not going to affect other people's level of enjoyment in a MMO.

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1. They stated they had a few empty plots but had plans.
2. Every House has a theme and a style, so not every house was likely capped with furnishings.

Your examples are really biased and trying to shed them in a negative light, betting on your personal opinion of them.

I think it's awesome. Sounds so much more alive than people who buy housing, slap a stable in it and never do a damn thing else, even letting the stable get dirty. That's what the apartments are for, and its a damn shame to see the bigger ones go to waste just because someone wanted to sink their gil into a thing.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

1. They stated they had a few empty plots but had plans.

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They also stated they hated plots that were empty... does that mean they hate themselves? Maybe they should take their own advice.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

2. Every House has a theme and a style, so not every house was likely capped with furnishings.

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If we're gonna use that excuse, then you can't really say that the houses with a stable on it aren't of a certain "theme and style".

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Your examples are really biased and trying to shed them in a negative light, betting on your personal opinion of them.

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I don't think they should have 28 plots to themselves, no. But apparently I can't have an opinion on a forum, I have to look at them "neutrally" to decide whether twenty-eight frickin' plots should be owned by two people who have amateur designing skills.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

I think it's awesome. Sounds so much more alive than people who buy housing, slap a stable in it and never do a damn thing else, even letting the stable get dirty. That's what the apartments are for, and its a damn shame to see the bigger ones go to waste just because someone wanted to sink their gil into a thing.

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That's nice, but as I mentioned prior, this is not the game for that debauchery. They want to do that, they have Minecraft and The Sims where they can't bother other people with their antics. Fun is fun, but this is crossing the line.

Stop trying to vilify me when I'm not the one who owns 28 plots across an entire ward in a MMO. I'm trying to advocate for others to have their own plot, but nope. Apparently two people having their charade of badly-decorated housing is more important than an FC having access to housing so they can use airship and FC crafts, right?

I just finished looking through the interiors of every open house in that ward. Not bad. Gives me an Animal Crossing spooky village vibe, with all the little altars and such.

That being out of the way, this is really SE's fault. I mean I thought they set the hurdle pretty high, at 50+ character with grand company rank/rank 6+ FC. You've got to consider that maybe they wanted such a thing to be possible? I mean how empty was that place for how many years? They have owned 28 houses, in game, for over a year. Nobody would have noticed, or cared, if they didn't open transfers.

What? The transfers are to alleviate server congestion, not housing inadequacies. People are leaving because they don't like login queues, not because they can't get a house. Anyway, if you couldn't manage to buy a house from the server in a year, that's your own fault.

Friendly reminder that just because players come from a different server doesn't make them any less a player than you.

I got curious about the goblet ward and took a couple of screenshots and the very first house i stumbled upon was turned into a church:

http://i.imgur.com/Aoi493O.png
http://i.imgur.com/cTdfc9O.png

Confession booths and everything off-screen.

Misc outdoors:

http://i.imgur.com/XtQhPcD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3eYWaaK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/W7Pzjuy.jpg

And then there was this mansion which was literally empty except this cake and a bunch of vendors standing in a row in another room...

http://i.imgur.com/jwL967R.png

Overall I liked what I saw.

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Originally Posted by Radiosuitcase

Thanks for nothing.

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You're welcome. I am REALLY enjoying your server. It is nice, cozy, and allows me to play before 10pm! Thanks for not capitalizing on your year long head start and leaving those plots open for us. We really appreciate not having to wait YEARS for a plot to open up. Man, you guys are so courteous here on Mateus. I should send the word, let them know that you guys are all about RPers and have every resource just waiting that has not been available previously to the masses.

Your problems... they're [-] <--- that big compared to the problems these Balmung refugees are facing. I don't think you're going to find much compassion in these masses! :)

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I'm trying to advocate for others to have their own plot, but nope. Apparently two people having their charade of badly-decorated housing is more important than an FC having access to housing so they can use airship and FC crafts, right?

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How many of those people from Balmung I bet you bought a house of their own, no FC attached, the moment they saw a plot open? How long have people on Mateus had to create or join a FC and work together for a company house or join a FC with a house already? Had those two people not bought most of that ward themselves, how many of those houses would have been bought for personal use anyway.

Either way, 16? of those were established with a dummy FC, bet if they were talked to, rather than shunned and spat at, those could be opened up to other players. A themed FC whereas those who joined have to maintain that theme? Sounds like a neat idea, start up the roleplay element in that server maybe.

Mateus folks had their chance, they didn't take it. Balmung folks are likely just as guilty.

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Originally Posted by Norit

If the Balmung floods are on Mateus, then this means #deleteMateus too?

Also you could have made more gil in Mateus than in Balmung lol, everyone in balmung crafts and overundercuts prices, so if you couldn't afford a house in 1 year in Mateus I don't think you'll ever had it anyway <_<

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Wait, so you're basically saying that all those immigrants will take our jobs because they're used to do everything cheaper than we do? D:

Build a wall, quick.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

Wait, so you're basically saying that all those immigrants will take our jobs because they're used to do everything cheaper than we do? D:

Build a wall, quick.

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Won't help much since SE will put a big beautiful door in the middle of it.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

Wait, so you're basically saying that all those immigrants will take our jobs because they're used to do everything cheaper than we do? D:

Build a wall, quick.

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It's true, the stuff people are saying, it's like a digital migrant panic. Small town Mateus residents complaining that they don't recognize their server anymore with all these new faces, that previously overpaid crafters and gatherers can't rake in as much cash because the migrants are taking their jobs and housing. Stories that all these Balmung refugees have a weird culture centred around ERP and going to cyber-rape your nekomimi waifu...

It'd be funny if people weren't taking it so seriously and being genuinely hostile.

I just moved to Mateus from Balmung about a week ago and I've seen over 50 Wards come and go within that time, all for 1.3m to 3m.

That's... really cheap...

I guess all those claims of, 'Housing is fine, you need to move off Balmung to a server with housing,' didn't actually hold water then. Seems like the Housing Crisis is still on, and that now it extends beyond just Gilgamesh and Balmung. Maybe now Square will begin addressing the concern? Though I expect they'll just throw more Wards out.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I guess all those claims of, 'Housing is fine, you need to move off Balmung to a server with housing,' didn't actually hold water then. Seems like the Housing Crisis is still on, and that now it extends beyond just Gilgamesh and Balmung. Maybe now Square will begin addressing the concern? Though I expect they'll just throw more Wards out.

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More wards + a one personal house per account limit.

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

More wards + a one personal house per account limit.

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Guess we'll see. They'd need to compensate people lucky enough to have more than one house, but even then, I don't think that'll solve the issue too much. It'd also be great if we could finally add our characters to our friend's list for things like mail and housing tenants. Or SE could just make all characters on an account share the same house by default.

The problem fundamentally lies with Square, not the homeowners. The notion of artificial scarcity in a game's housing system is bizarre - take for example the people in Goblet 12, if they surrendered all their surplus homes, that'd house another dozen people... a dozen, on a server of thousands.

The vast majority of those people harassing people like the Balmung transfers or Seraph for buying up the houses, still wouldn't get a house even if Square came and took them away from them. The only way a busy server is going to get houses for everyone, is to adopt more of a Wildstar-esque model, where everyone has a house, and it's not dependent upon actual, physical locations.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Once again evidence that FFXIV's housing is complete crap.

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Exactly. & SE is too proud to switch to instanced housing now. Even if they did, people would complain that they don't have the "neighborly" feel anymore. SE needs to cut the crap, make it instanced. People will eventually stop complaining and everyone will be able to own a home at their own pace.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

The problem fundamentally lies with Square, not the homeowners. The notion of artificial scarcity in a game's housing system is bizarre - take for example the people in Goblet 12, if they surrendered all their surplus homes, that'd house another dozen people... a dozen, on a server of thousands.

The vast majority of those people harassing people like the Balmung transfers or Seraph for buying up the houses, still wouldn't get a house even if Square came and took them away from them. The only way a busy server is going to get houses for everyone, is to adopt more of a Wildstar-esque model, where everyone has a house, and it's not dependent upon actual, physical locations.

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I can see were you're coming from, but what about FC's? All of the FC's that could be using those houses for airships and workshops certainly number more than a dozen people. I always thought that the wards should've been FC only and instanced housing should've been made available to everyone that wanted a personal house. That way, Yoshi can have his "Community" while we actually get the functionality of the housing system.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I guess all those claims of, 'Housing is fine, you need to move off Balmung to a server with housing,' didn't actually hold water then. Seems like the Housing Crisis is still on, and that now it extends beyond just Gilgamesh and Balmung. Maybe now Square will begin addressing the concern? Though I expect they'll just throw more Wards out.

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They should punish instead of rewarded. They took a way the cchanceof another peeaon to get an empty plot.

The right move would be for SE make the house accessable to all characters from that one said account. It is sad to say but SE still needs to improve to get as good as some F2P MMO which van provide houses for every single character.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

And then there was this mansion which was literally empty except this cake and a bunch of vendors standing in a row in another room...

http://i.imgur.com/jwL967R.png

Overall I liked what I saw.

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Reminds me of my room in my FC's house:
http://i.imgur.com/NGioMzc.png

Play this in another tab to fully recreate the experience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXaKS5Qhm6E