[dev1251] Penalty for using market search feature

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Originally Posted by Belial

As far as I'm concerned, the only people who this is an issue for are those who have problems generating in-game income. Anyone like myself who can sit comfortably (nope, I'm not rich either) can easily ignore the fee without any issues. And if it's that big of an issue, take the extra 2 1/2 minutes to walk to the retainer. Easy-peasy.

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I have issues generating (and keeping) in-game income and even I have no issue with it. It's a laziness charge. If I feel particularly lazy and don't feel like going to the retainer, I know it'll cost a slight bit more. I'm okay with that.

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Originally Posted by Kio

I'm incredibly dismayed why the players are being penalized a 5% surcharge in order to actually use this new feature. I was under the impression the entire point was to alleviate the inconvenience of zoning into the wards and playing hide and seek with your seller's npc. Replacing it with a different inconvenience purposefully so is not an improvement.

I'm assuming it's offsetting the seller's tax unto the buyer instead, but will the seller also still be charged their tax in the transaction? The original announcement doesn't cover that.

I know it's not a lot of Gil, and a few players may not emphasize with my disappointment, but it's more of a principle matter. In order to be frugal or if you are starting anew and don't have much funds to spend, that you have to still use the old method which really this implementation should have completely done away with.

I'm also losing faith in the game due to the complete stubborness not to just implement a true functioning auction house. We kept being promised that if the players requested it enough that it shall be, yet a year later after numerous pleas it's still not being done. Just the lipstick on the pig tweaks to the existing wards and trying to call it one.

Sorry for the rant, I usually don't especially on such petty things. :mad:

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I just can't fathom anyone's frustration from this move. You get a buy it now feature, you don't have to enter into the Market Wards ever again, and you pay a minimum convenience charge for it. One that gets capped at 4k! Don't want to pay that paltry fee then do things the old fashioned way, walk the Market Wards.


Not only that but why in the world would you want a true functioning auction house? Auctions sell things to the highest bidder. Do you want someone to potentially be able to outbid you on your purchases? Ebay is an auction site; I don't think anyone wants this. Or do you want their Buy It Now feature, you know, kinda like the feature we're getting.

Once 1.20b comes around, other than the blind bidding, we essentially have the same "auction house" they did in FFXI, only we can walk inside of it.

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Originally Posted by Kio

I'm incredibly dismayed why the players are being penalized a 5% surcharge in order to actually use this new feature.

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Nothing to be dismayed about, it's called stabilizing the economy.

If you cant afford the 4k max surcharge, why are you even buying the item to begin with, you obviously couldnt afford it either

I can understand the need for a gil sink but 5% is annoying. As someone who uses the wards a lot, a flat 250 gil fee would be much nicer. Currently leveling bsm and buying up all the silver ore I can. So if I get a stack of silver ore for 1000g per ore I'll be paying an extra 4000g for just that one stack. That adds up very quickly from 41>50. Especially when you're trying to level the cheapest way possible. Solution? Just walk to the retainer, of course. It was just my crazy impression that this 'missing feature' was being added for everyone to save time. Not just for those that don't mind blowing extra money for a feature that should have been there since day one. Especially since it's double taxation.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

I can understand the need for a gil sink but 5% is annoying. As someone who uses the wards a lot, a flat 250 gil fee would be much nicer.

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250 gil does nothing at all, that's the point -- They're trying to get the economy in order because a quarter of a guildleve would negate a 250 tax, heck just selling off 2 dodoskins would negate that price.

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It was just my crazy impression that this 'missing feature' was being added for everyone to save time. Not just for those that don't mind blowing extra money for a feature that should have been there since day one. Especially since it's double taxation.

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It does save time and and it slowly works towards fixing this mess of an economy -- There's really no problems.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

I can understand the need for a gil sink but 5% is annoying. As someone who uses the wards a lot, a flat 250 gil fee would be much nicer. Currently leveling bsm and buying up all the silver ore I can. So if I get a stack of silver ore for 1000g per ore I'll be paying an extra 4000g for just that one stack. That adds up very quickly from 41>50. Especially when you're trying to level the cheapest way possible. Solution? Just walk to the retainer, of course. It was just my crazy impression that this 'missing feature' was being added for everyone to save time. Not just for those that don't mind blowing extra money for a feature that should have been there since day one. Especially since it's double taxation.

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Solution: Mine your own ore, if you can stand the mind-numbing experience that is lvling a DoH, then lvling a DoL should be easy-peasy.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

I can understand the need for a gil sink but 5% is annoying. As someone who uses the wards a lot, a flat 250 gil fee would be much nicer. Currently leveling bsm and buying up all the silver ore I can. So if I get a stack of silver ore for 1000g per ore I'll be paying an extra 4000g for just that one stack. That adds up very quickly from 41>50. Especially when you're trying to level the cheapest way possible. Solution? Just walk to the retainer, of course. It was just my crazy impression that this 'missing feature' was being added for everyone to save time. Not just for those that don't mind blowing extra money for a feature that should have been there since day one. Especially since it's double taxation.

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just outta curiosity is it 250 an item or transaction. what if i buy 100 brimstone for 100 each and they cost me 350 cause of tax.

lmao at the niche that cry about an at most 4k convenience fee. You really expected SE not too have such a fee added? You lose income just for having your retainer sell items in the wrong ward. Convenience always cost money and there isn't much difference with this.

In other MMOs you pay for putting your items on the AH instead of shouting until you find a buyer.

Wasn't a true AH system officially announced for FFXIV 2.0?

I don't mind the current system being able to buy direct. It's really all we need and a little gil sink in the long run helps the economy so it really is for the better.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseLallaise

Love the pun. Thank you for that.



On topic, the surcharge cap is necessary to keep the direct purchase method from making the wards obsolete. Like it or not, the population has never been in agreement over the AH topic, and this is the best middle-ground solution that could possibly be implemented. Did all the pro-AH people actually think they would get away without an upcharge for convenience?

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Thanks, glad someone enjoyed it!

Anyway, I also think this is a good middle ground especially after HQ sorting is added.

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Originally Posted by RedAffinity

Wasn't a true AH system officially announced for FFXIV 2.0?

I don't mind the current system being able to buy direct. It's really all we need and a little gil sink in the long run helps the economy so it really is for the better.

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no it wasnt

an AH has no specific meaning, when they say AH it means that they will revamp the wards a ton til its close to what "most" people envision as an AH

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Originally Posted by RedAffinity

Wasn't a true AH system officially announced for FFXIV 2.0?

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Well, since the MW and AH are basically the same system (even more so now) there won't be a "True AH system" unless you're referring to a delivery system which was stated to be added by 2.0 as it may come before if they can work something out with the current infrastructure.

Again, I just don't agree with double taxation. One end or the other, fine. But on both ends is just annoying though at least the buying end is optional. Too much money being put in game by leves? Then reduce the gil that leves give. Just seems like a poor thought out band aid to save time. But whatever, just my opinion. I won't use if very often if at all. I will say I'm glad for a price history though.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

Too much money being put in game by leves? Then reduce the gil that leves give.

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This doesn't fix the problem about all of the gil brought in and currently in circulation prior to reduction in leve reward, all it does is make it so newer players won't be overflowing but previous players will continue to be as such -- This is why gil sinks are introduced.

So actually, a lot of thought went into it.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

Again, I just don't agree with double taxation. One end or the other, fine. But on both ends is just annoying though at least the buying end is optional. Too much money being put in game by leves? Then reduce the gil that leves give. Just seems like a poor thought out band aid to save time. But whatever, just my opinion. I won't use if very often if at all. I will say I'm glad for a price history though.

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You aren't really being double taxed. You are being taxed once and then charged for delivery. You can avoid the delivery charge, you can't avoid a tax.

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Originally Posted by CrstyCaptin

Too much money being put in game by leves? Then reduce the gil that leves give. Just seems like a poor thought out band aid to save time. But whatever, just my opinion. I won't use if very often if at all. I will say I'm glad for a price history though.

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They did that already, I think they've adjusted leve rewards a few times already. It didn't really help that much since there are still a great deal of people with 10mil+. It helped keep things from getting worse but it didn't fix anything. Gil sinks are necessary and this one is honestly not even that bad.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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Just doing my part.

3x per page is the quota.

I think what some people are frustrated about is the idea that this "Buy it now" is what was expected in the first place. Initially we were given this system of retainers and the wards that was not executed very well from the start. SE noticed the shortcomings and has been attempting to make the wards much more convenient for its' users.

Now with 1.20 we finally have exactly what everyone has pretty much wanted from day one, but they put a fee on it for convenience. It's kind of a slap in the face lol. Here's what you wanted but you're going to have to pay a little more for it. It's definitely not going to break the bank for anyone or cause anyone to rage quit but it's definitely a little bit of a sucker punch. It's not about the money, but more the principle of it. Just offering a little insight into the other side since many just have the "deal with it" mentality. But who knows, with 2.0 it can all change lol.

Good idea with the little tax ! I like it :)

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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Might as well start it on this page too.

Yo; did I mention:

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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yet?

No, you didn't mention:

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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Thanks for bringing it up.

Well done, chaps!

It's a convenience fee and caps at 4k. If I am short on Gil I just zone into the MW and find the Retainer. No big deal...

hey guys have you seen this yet? ^~^

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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... sorry i just had to lol

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Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki

hey guys have you seen this yet? ^~^
... sorry i just had to lol

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Oh cmon. its 3 per page, not 4.

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ur doin' it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki

hey guys have you seen this yet? ^~^
... sorry i just had to lol

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OMG it's so funny! Thanks for sharing.

Let me start this page off right:

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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Found this on page 3,

I think it belongs here.

inb4:

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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Damnit, you beat me!

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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New page, fresh new start.

Thats 3.

Next one gets

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I think we've officially derailed this thread, good job guys!

This thread goes to show that people will bitch about everything and anything in this game. C'mon it's 5% up to a total of 4k...a lv one can make 4k in this game in about 1 minute right outside of town.....And it's not even required! You don't want to pay walk to the damn retainer, simple.

Now go cry a river somewhere waaa waaa waaa.....All most of ya do in these forums.

IM TOO LAZY TO DO THINGS.

DO THEM FOR ME, MINIONS!

Wow... I have my pages set to max posts per page.

I think I saw like idk.... 9 troll faces from top to bottom (maybe more) on page 2 alone!

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+1 FOR DA FUN!!! :D

because taking 5 seconds to walk to the retainer was so hard anyways?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

because taking 5 seconds to walk to the retainer was so hard anyways?

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Yes.

/thread


(also, sarcasm)

Hey guys, look at this funny post:

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Originally Posted by RemVye

"There is too much Gil in the game"
"Nothing to buy I have XXX million Gil"
"Money in this game is worthless"
"Money is so easy to get, they practically give it away"
etc...


Implement 5,000 gil charge for repairs
Implement 5,000 gil charge for airship
Implement 5% (max 4,000) gil charge for instant market ward transactions

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_FOVW_Bjj...e-Guy-Face.png

WHY YOU GIL SINK MY SHIP!#!)$

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I WIN!!!!!!

Admittedly, my initial thought was: "sigh, there shouldn't be any restrictions on this" despite the fact it's a tiny issue i won't end up caring about anyway.

It's really not that big of a deal, but i don't agree with it. "It's whatever".