Since we are all getting what we want...

I want the Dalamud Horn back in the game. No point putting it in Mogstation for me though as I won't use that method.

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I'm perfectly fine not having any 1.0 stuff.

I wasn't there for it. I didn't even play MMOs then. So technically they don't, and never did exist for me. Don't get me wrong, some of that stuff is actually pretty cool. But I wasn't there for it. Don't deserve the legacy tattoo. A discounted sub might be nice, maybe some day down the road for being a 2.0 relaunch player, but I'm not at a loss for it, and everything else? Meh. I can live and fully enjoy the game without it.

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Originally Posted by Felis

They should add all gears with "dated" in the name to the mog shop ^^

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I think Chinese and/or Korean players already can buy many of the 1.0-only items and mount except for the tattoo.

Anyways, this does open up the possibility that formally 'exclusive' items will be available in the cash shop. I'm sure there are many minion collectors that are looking forward to get the some of the unobtainable minions.

my dalamud horn I got from finishing the 1.x story..it was a nice reward and I still wear it to this day. If you played 1.0 and supported the game when it was "BAD" you could have it XD

http://i.imgur.com/9OkW6Ct.jpg

It'd be cool if we got more options for tattooes imo. ;w;

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Originally Posted by myahele

I think Chinese and/or Korean players already can buy many of the 1.0-only items and mount except for the tattoo.

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Probably because 1.0 wasn't available in China or Korea.

Just saying, but 1.x items being "reprinted" so to speak is not much different than them putting the FFXIII items on the Mog Station as well as the Moogle Attire, both of which were suppose to be for a limited time.

Should they bring back Legacy Tattoos? Hell no.
Should they bring back Legacy Goobue Mount? Hell no.

The previous two things mentioned were acquired under very specific conditions meant to show you are like essentially OG. But the other trivial 1.x rewards that won't effect anyone? I don't see why not. Was anyone triggered by the Red Onion Helmet in game? l doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Isn't it already there, or at least the equivalent (at the same price)? I know that when I started it was an option & cost the same pro rata as buying 180 days, with the same benefits.

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No, you most certainly are not getting the Legacy sub rate. That's just a discount rate for essentially bundling.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

my dalamud horn I got from finishing the 1.x story..it was a nice reward and I still wear it to this day. If you played 1.0 and supported the game when it was "BAD" you could have it XD

http://i.imgur.com/9OkW6Ct.jpg

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Nice earring.

Horns alright as well.

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Isn't it already there, or at least the equivalent (at the same price)? I know that when I started it was an option & cost the same pro rata as buying 180 days, with the same benefits.

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Taken from this site, the legacy subscription fee is £6.89/€9.99/$9.99 per month for a standard account (8 characters per world, 40 max across all worlds). It appears legacy accounts get a further discount by paying multiple months at a time (down to $7.99 for 6 months at a time). So legacy players get about a $30 discount from normal players when paying 6 months at a time.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Nice earring.

Horns alright as well.

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thx ^^ Its the glass pumpkin from 200 floor potd haha

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Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I'm perfectly fine not having any 1.0 stuff.
I wasn't there for it. I didn't even play MMOs then. So technically they don't, and never did exist for me. Don't get me wrong, some of that stuff is actually pretty cool. But I wasn't there for it. Don't deserve the legacy tattoo. A discounted sub might be nice, maybe some day down the road for being a 2.0 relaunch player, but I'm not at a loss for it, and everything else? Meh. I can live and fully enjoy the game without it.

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The way I see 1.0 benefits is they existed in a different game. I wouldn't expect bonuses in say, Mass Effect Andromeda if I never played the original trilogy because those are entirely different games. Everything else? I couldn't care less one way or another. If they release the FFX outfits a year or two later, cool. I got it earlier, enjoyed the stream it came with and have it available on all characters free. I won't begrudge someone wanting to pay $12 for it years later.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Not upset with that per se.

I am tired of the inability of the entitled children who play this game that refuse to accept that some items had limited ability or were timed exclusives.

Personally, I don't have the Hermes Sandles. I accept that I neglected to complete the action required since I meant to renew my XI account and I didn't do that. I don't have the Wind-up Bahamut, again I procrastinated on purchasing the soundtrack and did not do so in time.

I'm adult enough to accept the fact that these were items that had a window of opportunity to obtain them and for whatever reason, I missed out on them. That is how exclusives work.

I have never asked for those items to be brought back in any way, shape or form and I never will.

That lack of maturity in some people is what aggravates me.

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See, this argument doesn't work because it applies both ways. You are no less entitled, by technical definition, advocating something stay exclusive because you want it to remain special. Why do you (generalizing) care? Because, in your subjective view, the item loses value if everyone can have it. That is entitlement. Not everyone feels the same way, even those who benefited from the exclusivity. Calling them childish and professing how "adult" you are comes across silly. So let's shelve that argument since it really boils down to just pointless name calling. A better one is the simple differing of opinion. Some think exclusives are fine, others are very unique circumstances and the rest disagree with them entirely. No one is inherently wrong here because, once again, value on exclusives is all subjective.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

See, this argument doesn't work because it applies both ways. You are no less entitled, by technical definition, advocating something stay exclusive because you want it to remain special.

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Please share your technical definition of exclusive.

This is the one I use:

Limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group.

In this case, that group is the people who met the requirements to obtain something within the time allowances set by the issuer, in this case, SE. It is limited by their definition.

My reasoning is detailed below.

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Why do you (generalizing) care? Because, in your subjective view, the item loses value if everyone can have it. That is entitlement.

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I care because, when purchasing an item as exclusive, or of limited release, artificial or not, there is supposed to be a limit on the release of that item. That limitation is set by the seller of the item, in this case, SE. It is also accepted by the purchaser, in this case, that would be us, the players.

Without that, they can release 100,000,000 for all I care.

An example would be the Post Moogle Plush. They never said it had limits on it, so I don't care about how many they make or release. The fact that they can't keep many of these items in stock is another issue. It would be better if they worked that out, but that is another matter all together. It was released about 3 years ago and the code is still obtainable.

For some items, may or may not apply in all cases, exclusives are usually tied to first run or pre-order items, which go way beyond just FFXIV and not limited to video games. In those cases, those bonuses are exclusive to that pre-order or first run only are an agreement that the seller will limit the release of that item, in exchange for the seller to get something they want. Gaining money prior to delivering the good or charging a premium are examples of the gains that the seller receives. Obtaining an item of desire prior to its removal from the marketplace is the gain for the buyer.

Changing that agreement, by removing the agreement of limitation on the quantity without agreement from both parties is them breaking that original contract.

That is my sticking point. It is a business contract. That item, that is to be limited in quantity, is part of that contract.

That is my dislike. There is more on that below.

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Not everyone feels the same way, even those who benefited from the exclusivity. Calling them childish and professing how "adult" you are comes across silly. So let's shelve that argument since it really boils down to just pointless name calling.

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Good enough.

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A better one is the simple differing of opinion. Some think exclusives are fine, others are very unique circumstances and the rest disagree with them entirely. No one is inherently wrong here because, once again, value on exclusives is all subjective.

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Personally, they could NEVER do another exclusive ever again, and I would be perfectally happy. I have not said that I am a fan of them making exclusive items. That is because I'm not a fan of them. They are a tool used by businesses to manipulate us.

I don't like it personally, but I understand why companies do and why we go along with it. Changing it after the fact, without prior agreed compensation is fraud.

Fraud is an act of deceiving or misrepresenting. The seller, SE, stating an item is to be limited in quantity, then changing it to be unlimited is exactly that.

However, if they (SE) says something is to be exclusive in some way, I expect them to honor that.

You want to start a new thread "No more exclusive content"? I'll comment and agree.

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The way I see 1.0 benefits is they existed in a different game. I wouldn't expect bonuses in say, Mass Effect Andromeda if I never played the original trilogy because those are entirely different games.

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This. I didn't start up till late in ARR, but I'm not going to ask for 1.0 things even though I might want them because I feel like that's far overreaching.

As for the rest of the stuff, from old events or from preorders of things that can no longer be obtained, why not just toss them into the cash shop for those interesed in purchasing it? It puts more money into the game, it makes people who wanted them happy, it's a good thing! There's a little too much special snowflake syndrome spreading around here, I feel like you guys are more interested in rubbing it in other's faces that you have a thing that they do not. That kind of attitude is pretty crappy you know :/

No one answered my question. Is anyone here bothered by this? This is a 1.0 exclusive just dyed red.

https://i.imgur.com/VDezaNs.png

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No one answered my question. Is anyone here bothered by this? This is a 1.0 exclusive just dyed red.

https://i.imgur.com/VDezaNs.png

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Oh, that thing. Nevermind. I don't care, SE never said it was to be exclusive. I think it was from Aurum Vale actually and was only a dungeon drop. It was not tied to the events specific to the story of 1.0 or anything like that.

If you have it and like it, I hope you wear it with pride.

I feel the same way about the Sylph Goobbue. I don't care that they made one for ARR players.

Is that the answer you wanted?

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

No one answered my question. Is anyone here bothered by this? This is a 1.0 exclusive just dyed red.

https://i.imgur.com/VDezaNs.png

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I don't recall any outrage over that being available. Maybe because it's locked behind RNG and can't be sold in the MB. Many formally 1.0 only items eventually became available like: Star-spangled subligar (was a lv 50 FSH reward in 1.0), Chocobo mask, etc and not many complained.

I think most of the outrage happens is if it becomes a cash shop item like the 1.0 moonfire earing

So essentially, there is no issue with a 1.0 model returning if it's slightly different?

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Oh, that thing. Nevermind. I don't care, SE never said it was to be exclusive. I think it was from Aurum Vale actually.

If you have it and like it, I hope you wear it with pride.

I feel the same way about the Sylph Goobbue. I don't care that they made one for ARR players.

Is that the answer you wanted?

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You mention that "SE never said it was to be exclusive", but the same can be said for most 1.0 items. There are only a select few that were intended to be JUST for "legacy" players, and those should remain.

One thing you also have to keep in mind is that this game has a very odd history in that it was completely remade later, shouldn't those players have a chance to obtain those items that aren't specifically "legacy"?

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I don't recall any outrage over that being available. Maybe because it's locked behind RNG and can't be sold in the MB. Many formally 1.0 only items eventually became available like: Star-spangled subligar (was a lv 50 FSH reward in 1.0), Chocobo mask, etc and not many complained.

I think most of the outrage happens is if it becomes a cash shop item like the 1.0 moonfire earing

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Red Onion Helm can be sold on the market board, actually. Just checked to verify.

Hmm, so people wouldn't mind these items returning if it's obtainable in-game? I wouldn't mind that myself.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

So essentially, there is no issue with a 1.0 model returning if it's slightly different?

You mention that "SE never said it was to be exclusive", but the same can be said for most 1.0 items. There are only a select few that were intended to be JUST for "legacy" players, and those should remain.

One thing you also have to keep in mind is that this game has a very odd history in that it was completely remade later, shouldn't those players have a chance to obtain those items that aren't specifically "legacy.

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I am very well aware of its history. :)

I did clarify to add in items directly tied to its story. Things like the Dalamud Horn and such should remain exclusive to 1.0 IMO. The Red Onion Helm does not meet that criteria, it was only a dungeon drop.

There are many 1.0 items that are still in the game, just changed up slightly. I don't have problems with those.

I'm not sure what response you are trying to get.

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Please share your technical definition of exclusive.

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Depends on the parameters, but most exclusives are timed. Companies use weasel words and leave things open to interpretation because, as you mention later, it's all a manipulation ploy. I see the exclusivity more "this method is limited" sort of way. At least, that's how Square Enix seems to view it. Is that fair? Maybe not. That's certainly open to debate, but I don't think it's immature for people to feel differently one way or another.

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Changing that agreement, by removing the agreement of limitation on the quantity without agreement from both parties is them breaking that original contract.

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This is where they get you. Square never actually promised fanfest would be the only way you could get these items; just that was the only way currently. All they say is you'll be ineligible to claim your prize if you don't go. Is it shady? Absolutely. But they technically don't promise anything except you'll get something extra if you go to fanfest/buy the stream with some exceptions.

To go back to the original post, I'm not sure if I would have convinced myself to spend such an exorbitant amount on a soundtrack CD if it didn't have some dumb in-game thing, but after that first one, I'm totally in. I don't personally care if they make the soundtrack minions available, though I can see why some people would.

Legacy stuff is different. But like, if they want to sell the onion knight gear from those early dumb solo leves, sure whatever. It's kind of ridiculous anyway. Besides, I'll always have my memories of requiring boar leather spetch (a level 30 craft, I think) to repair my useless level 1 items. You can't take those from me!

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Depends on the parameters, but most exclusives are timed. Companies use weasel words and leave things open to interpretation because, as you mention later, it's all a manipulation ploy. I see the exclusivity more "this method is limited" sort of way. At least, that's how Square Enix seems to view it. Is that fair? Maybe not. That's certainly open to debate, but I don't think it's immature for people to feel differently one way or another.

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I think we mostly agree on that. I am not fond of them either.

I do get annoyed at the constant attack on the people who obtained the item and want the original agreement honored.

Like I said before, there are many exclusive items I don't have. I understand what was done, and like it or not, I can accept it and what that means.

To me, they seem like children throwing a temper tantrum until they get what they want. As soon as they got one thing, the Moogle attire, it was instantly, let's attack everything until we get it all! Maybe I shouldn't see it that way, but after seeing it over and over again, it becomes hard to not be jaded by it.

I don't agree with what SE did, but I'm not going to throw a fit over it.

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This is where they get you. Square never actually promised fanfest would be the only way you could get these items; just that was the only way currently. All they say is you'll be ineligible to claim your prize if you don't go. Is it shady? Absolutely. But they technically don't promise anything except you'll get something extra if you go to fanfest/buy the stream with some exceptions.

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I'm not sure you saw this or not since that thread fell off the main page.

http://i.imgur.com/1i0euKL.png

If they intentionally left out the term "limited time" before exclusive. Then shame on them. That is fraud and people should be peeved about it. I don't think anyone who saw that thought it would be available at a later date or become fairly cheap and unlimited in quantity.

If that is true, then maybe I need to re-evaluate my dealings with Square Enix as a company. No, digital items in a video game are not that significant, but deliberately lying to your customers is. If they are being that deceptive with their products it may be time to walk away from them altogether and never look back. Which would suck since I have been a loyal customer of theirs since I was a child and have so many fond memories of them.

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Sadly that site is no longer updated & a lot if the information is incorrect. It still includes things that were "guesses" made between 1.x & ARR release. The official site doesn't list Legacy accounts any more so I don't know if people are still paying those reduced fees. I know that there were complaints about people losing the legacy rate for unknown reasons.

From what I recall, the main benefit of a Legacy rate was that it gave the 8/40 ability at a cost similar to the 6 months pro-rata monthly fee but with only a 30 day "contract". In the UK it was only a saving of £0.80 per month, or £9.60 per year. It wasn't worth the inconvenience of a monthly payment to me as biannual transactions mean ten less chances for a bank/SE mix up!

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Sadly that site is no longer updated & a lot if the information is incorrect. It still includes things that were "guesses" made between 1.x & ARR release. The official site doesn't list Legacy accounts any more so I don't know if people are still paying those reduced fees. I know that there were complaints about people losing the legacy rate for unknown reasons.

From what I recall, the main benefit of a Legacy rate was that it gave the 8/40 ability at a cost similar to the 6 months pro-rata monthly fee but with only a 30 day "contract". In the UK it was only a saving of £0.80 per month, or £9.60 per year. It wasn't worth the inconvenience of a monthly payment to me as biannual transactions mean ten less chances for a bank/SE mix up!

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For USD it's pretty much a 33% discount over standard with the same features (14.99->9.99), that gets further reduced if you buy additional months. For example, a 90 day legacy subscription comes up to $26.97, about 8.99 a month for 8/40. This is still active.

It cost about $30 USD to get legacy back in 1.0. Don't know about £ though.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

thx ^^ Its the glass pumpkin from 200 floor potd haha

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I have one :) Literally use it for every single glamour even though 200 isn't that special anymore.
PLD tiara overwrites earrings though which is kind of annoying...

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Originally Posted by Istaru

http://i.imgur.com/1i0euKL.png

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Oh, wow. That is pretty shadey tbh.

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Sadly that site is no longer updated & a lot if the information is incorrect. It still includes things that were "guesses" made between 1.x & ARR release. The official site doesn't list Legacy accounts any more so I don't know if people are still paying those reduced fees. I know that there were complaints about people losing the legacy rate for unknown reasons.

From what I recall, the main benefit of a Legacy rate was that it gave the 8/40 ability at a cost similar to the 6 months pro-rata monthly fee but with only a 30 day "contract". In the UK it was only a saving of £0.80 per month, or £9.60 per year. It wasn't worth the inconvenience of a monthly payment to me as biannual transactions mean ten less chances for a bank/SE mix up!

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For Legacy players it's $9.99 a month. Not sure what the three month bundle is, but for a six month bundle it's around $48 (rounded up) or roughly $8.00 a month. And that's including the 8/40 character limits.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I am very well aware of its history. :)

I did clarify to add in items directly tied to its story. Things like the Dalamud Horn and such should remain exclusive to 1.0 IMO. The Red Onion Helm does not meet that criteria, it was only a dungeon drop.

There are many 1.0 items that are still in the game, just changed up slightly. I don't have problems with those.

I'm not sure what response you are trying to get.

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I'm not trying to get a response, dude. lol I'm discussing what you were saying to me.

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I think we mostly agree on that. I am not fond of them either.

I do get annoyed at the constant attack on the people who obtained the item and want the original agreement honored.

Like I said before, there are many exclusive items I don't have. I understand what was done, and like it or not, I can accept it and what that means.

To me, they seem like children throwing a temper tantrum until they get what they want. As soon as they got one thing, the Moogle attire, it was instantly, let's attack everything until we get it all! Maybe I shouldn't see it that way, but after seeing it over and over again, it becomes hard to not be jaded by it.

I don't agree with what SE did, but I'm not going to throw a fit over it.

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I try to see it from both perspectives. On the other side, some people just don't value exclusivity very highly. I can only speak for myself but I wouldn't even blink if/when they put the Yuna outfit on the mogstation. I suspect most people who asked for certain things to be made available fall into that vein more so than "I WANT NAO". That all said, I can appreciate those feeling a bit lied to because, well...

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I'm not sure you saw this or not since that thread fell off the main page.

http://i.imgur.com/1i0euKL.png

If they intentionally left out the term "limited time" before exclusive. Then shame on them. That is fraud and people should be peeved about it. I don't think anyone who saw that thought it would be available at a later date or become fairly cheap and unlimited in quantity.

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Yeah...

I did not see this, though I can somewhat guess how they'll spin things. It's only exclusive if you don't have those "bonus codes". Basically, the actually sell here is "it's free!" We'll just pretend you didn't pay for the stream itself. Please don't mind me spitballing here. Not defending Square Enix so much is picking at their PR ideas. I blame my work background showing through, xD

So what this means is, since I missed out on the recent fanfest stuff I'll eventually get it anyway?...In a way that's a bit sad only because I bought the stream, never got my items, had to dispute the charge and obviously never got the items still since I'm not allowed by my bank to buy off Clenng now....this slightly confuses me I guess.

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I try to see it from both perspectives.

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I do as well, to a degree.

One of the exclusives I do not have is the Wind-up Dalamud. It is only one (1) of six (6) minions in the game I don't have. I'll never have it.

Would I be happy to have one? Sure, but there is a cost to that.

I am a Final Fantasy fan, I have been since I was a child.

Breaking exclusivity runs a risk of damaging the product attached to it. The risk and the damage vary based upon many things.

In the end, I love Final Fantasy as a franchise and FFXIV significantly more than my desire to obtain that missing item.

I totally get the frustration of wanting something and not being able to get it. I totally understand that it is a digital item that has no limits on its distribution except for the artificial limits placed upon on it by the distributor only to try and gain additional sales of a limited run of an unlimited item.