How about daily login rewards in Stormblood?

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Originally Posted by Beckett

As people have mentioned, there are daily roulettes.

Other incentives to log in every day include:
Beast Tribe quests
Supply and Provisioning Missions
Squadron Missions
Mini Cactpots
Timeworn Map gathering
Daily Hunts
Reset 18-hour Retainer Ventures
Use 6 Levequest Allowences

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Looks like a chore list to me... >w>

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Looks like a chore list to me... >w>

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Then you can just grind expert roulette like everyone else.

I guess I'm torn. I like the idea of this, "Log in, get 5 points, spend it or save it," sort of system if it would grant access to Mogstation items. As a subscription based game, it feels like we really shouldn't have a Cash Shop to begin with. Having a means to alternatively acquire items from the Cash Shop feels like it would be a good alternative. Conversely I can also see why the idea of a, "Log in, log off," kind of reward system is unnecessary and a little pointless for a Subscription game.

Perhaps we're over thinking this? Maybe instead of tiers of rewards for time subbed, we'll get points for time subbed which could then be spent on Mog Station Items? No daily log-in requirement to get the points. 30 days = 30 points, maybe a Fantasia costs 15 points, a pot of dye costs 5 points, etc?

If you need daily incentive to log into the then maybe you don't really enjoy the game that much.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Then you can just grind expert roulette like everyone else.

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I do and I also do some of the stuff on his list.
Doesn't make them any more rewarding or engaging, especially if you've been doing some of them since 2.0...

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I do and I also do some of the stuff on his list.
Doesn't make them any more rewarding or engaging, especially if you've been doing some of them since 2.0...

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I totally agree, actually. Which is why I don't think adding one more tick to that list would improve anything. All a daily log in reward would do is cause people who don't already log in every day to start the game up and then immediately close it.

Lol at these people saying this kind of system doesn't belong in a subscription game, but people said the same thing about cash shops and here we are.

I think this would be a nice compromise on some things, to be honest. Nothing game breaking, just you log in so many days, can spend points on silly things like cash shop paints, or you get a 'Seasonal Item' voucher for one of those rewards of your choosing. It could help actively bridge the 'real life' money trade for dumb things like vanity that have since been relegated to the cash shop. FFXI has a similar system although a lot of their items actively work into their economy, doesn't have to be like that here.

Don't like the idea, and especially don't like the idea of bonus for streaks. IRL crap happens (power/internet outage, family/work obligations, etc) that can prevent a person from logging on - I'd feel punished with a streak system.

XI has a login reward system cause the game died off from what it use to be years ago. It did not have that system in or around it prime.

no

*grabs popcorn*

I'm not supporting this. It's just makes anger for example, there's mount on day 30 but on day 29 you had "emergency things to do" that you can't online at that day. Wouldn't that makes you upset especially some troll gonna say "git gud"?

Total Play Time: 957 days, 6 hours, 1 minute

Do I get a reward?

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Originally Posted by CompSci88

Total Play Time: 957 days, 6 hours, 1 minute

Do I get a reward?

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I doubt it would be retroactive.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

I doubt it would be retroactive.

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Agreed, it rather defeats the purpose of Veteran Awards being more available to the playerbase rather than discouraging new players. I remember when my friend and I first started we saw the Cloud Outfit and were eager to get it. Then we saw how long we'd have to be subbed. He gave up on that dream and doesn't play anymore (unrelated to accessibility of Veteran Awards, he just got tired of MB undercutting). I'm about 3 months off from it myself. It'll be another year before I get the Tantalus Outfit, which is one I'd love to get my hands on as a kind of glamour outfit for my gathering classes.

I don't understand people's obsession with getting free stuff for doing absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I don't understand people's obsession with getting free stuff for doing absolutely nothing.

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...Really? You don't understand why people like getting free things...?
You must be very well off... >w>

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Originally Posted by Eul

I'm not supporting this. It's just makes anger for example, there's mount on day 30 but on day 29 you had "emergency things to do" that you can't online at that day. Wouldn't that makes you upset especially some troll gonna say "git gud"?

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The way FFXI does it you get points each day, and only have to log in once to get enough points for that months mount/glamour.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

...Really? You don't understand why people like getting free things...?
You must be very well off... >w>

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I think it relates back to how times use to be. If wanted something had to work for it, now days get a reward just for showing up.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

...Really? You don't understand why people like getting free things...?
You must be very well off... >w>

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No I'm not well off (nice assumption though). I understand working for things. It's usually those who get everything handed to them who would expect free things for doing something as simple as logging into a game.

I don't want things handed to me. If they are in don't feel like I earned it. Free stuff is nice but they have little value to me.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

If wanted something had to work for it, now days get a reward just for showing up.

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That's because there's more choices for almost everything and anything now-a-days, whether it's work or play. Benefits like having to work less for the same amount, getting better rewards for the same amount of work, or getting free gifts are ways to entice people.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I don't want things handed to me. If they are in don't feel like I earned it. Free stuff is nice but they have little value to me.

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You should of just said you are in it for the sense of accomplishment and left it at that. The whole "I understand hardwork" speech just makes you sound like an old man complaining about how easy the younger generation have it. :-B

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

You should of just said you are in it for the sense of accomplishment and left it at that. The whole "I understand hardwork" speech just makes you sound like an old man complaining about how easy the younger generation have it. :-B

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And those who argue that we should get free stuff for just showing up sound like entitled millennials who think everyone owes them something.

You decided to play ffxiv voluntarily. If the game isn't enough to keep you, or entice others, than I would rather them work on the issues that are keeping people away rather than giving out free "participation" points as compensation for a lackluster experience.

It's about quality over quantity, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

And those who argue that we should get free stuff for just showing up sound like entitled millennials who think everyone owes them something.

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What age we talking about here? As I can't really find a black and white of what a millennial is. Information I have found seem to listed anyone born from 1985-2000 as one which I think person of age 30 has very different views of the world then a person that age 20. In how fast the world is changing these days.

Looking around this think describe it better at what I was getting at

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With the exponential rise of scientific development in the last thirty years, sociologists and historians have disingenuously lumped two different generations into one without accounting for the acceptability of technology. They call them Millennials and their time span ranges from the early 80s to the early 2000s. The problem is that the group is too broad.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

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I wasn't being specific. I was replying to a ridiculous hyperbolic statement with another ridiculous hyperbolic statement.

Trying to steer this back on track...

How -would- people feel about a Veteran Award System where you have a shop that spends, 'Veteran Points,' in exchange for glamours, dyes, minions, and maybe even a mount or two, opening up everything on the Mogstation for availability, and also eventually adding some things which are exclusive to the Veteran Shop, and cannot be purchased on the Mogstation? Veteran Points would be acquired at the start of each month you are subscribed, starting once the new Veteran Reward System goes into effect? An example.

1. New System goes live 6/1/2017.
2. Everyone subscribed as of 6/1/2017 gets 30 Veteran Points.
3. NPCs in the main cities exchange points for Mogstation items, and eventually get Veteran Reward Exclusives not found on the Mogstation.

The above system only requires you to have an active subscription at the start of a month. Maybe have an additional rule that as long as you're subbed for one day that month, you get the points, so if you sub on June 30th, you still get 30 Veteran Points for June.

I think it would work better if they gave points at the end of the month and you would only get the points if you were subbed for x amount of days that month. It's basically the same thing regardless, but I don't hate that idea.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I think it would work better if they gave points at the end of the month and you would only get the points if you were subbed for x amount of days that month. It's basically the same thing regardless, but I don't hate that idea.

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Well, I have no idea how they'd dish out the points and all. I guess my main hope is that Mogstation items would become available in an alternative way than just spending real money. As a subscription based game, we shouldn't really have a cash shop to begin with. I wouldn't mind it so much if there was an in-game way to acquire the items there. Who knows? Maybe tie achievement points to Veteran Awards so you don't just get the points from subscription, but also how much you play the game.

I don't hate the current reward system we have right now, since it's basically a loyalty rewards system and a way for them to say thank you. I understand why people don't like it though.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I don't hate the current reward system we have right now, since it's basically a loyalty rewards system and a way for them to say thank you. I understand why people don't like it though.

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I don't really dislike the existing system either, but they've already said after this new tier its done and they'll add a different system.

The "poke a thing every day to check in" thing works fine for free-to-play MMOs and mobile games. I don't think it really has a place in a subscription MMO. I wouldn't really care one way or the other if they wanted to do that, but I don't think it really belongs in this game.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

It's a common practice now in many MMOs and even in some Final Fantasy titles like Record Keeper. That would motivate many players who play only 1-2 times per week to login (and play) more often, with consecuitive logins offering greater rewards.
It could be anything random, from a small gil or tomestone amount to a rare potion which instantly gives 1/2 or 1 level on any job it's used. And some legendary rare items can be exclusive only to daliy logins, like minions or glamour sets to make the feature even more appealing.

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I think it could be Daily Logout Reward as ppl play everyday maynot logoff for a week. ^^;
Ofcoz you need press the logout in the game to trigger it.

very likely it will be put in Chanllange Log and reward like 5000g....

Daily logins are a tacky reward used in games that are just trying to hook you in and keep you on. You log in to get the reward, well I"m already on might as well do more. Mainly found in mobile games or F2P games or games that are trying to keep their players engaged in collecting something new and unique in.

It doesn't make any sense to put it into FFXIV now when in all honesty, XIV does have it's own forms of "daily log on bonuses". You log on daily to do cactpot, Beastmen dailies, Duty Roulette Bonuses, check on certain time based content and GC resets on items that gain xp. So there is incentive to log on daily and the reward is engaging in those content. To add in something that just rewards you for logging on, would just be an unnecessary gimmick since even Yoshi himself encourages people to take a step back and play something different when you've had your fill. So it would definitely go against that mentality if they then added a daily log bonus that would make the player feel left out if they missed even one day thus having to log on at least once a day for 365 days continuously just to make sure they never miss out on something special, and yet we already have unique content like that aka events that take place, that reward people for logging on and partaking in a time based event.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

If the game isn't enough to keep you, or entice others, than I would rather them work on the issues that are keeping people away rather than giving out free "participation" points as compensation for a lackluster experience.

It's about quality over quantity, not the other way around.

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That would be awesome (not sarcastic). But I think a lot of people expect same treadmill, same gating, same cash shop, and same developers. They have probably given up that the current team has a solution to the current doldrums of 14.

I wouldn't be opposed so long as the rewards were decent and updated regularly. I just worry that it'd be stuff like tomes that...aren't worth a lot to people who may have hit the cap on any given day. If it were tied to exclusive minions, mounts and unique glamours then I would be content.

It would punish people who never log off