@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a DPS class!!!

They didn't say that Samurai is coming in Stormblood, right? Maybe the other job is Beastmaster. So just because Red Mage is a DD doesn't mean we can't have Samurai as a DD. But if it's 2 DDs in the same expansion I'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

as far as we know, there's only going to be 2 new jobs: SAM and RDM. RDM is confirmed to be DPS.

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Shouldn't be, because it wouldn't be balanced.

Nobody is gonna tank up old jobs to level others because everyone is gonna be playing new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Nobody is gonna tank up old jobs to level others because everyone is gonna be playing new jobs.

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Speak for yourself, when Heavensward released I got Paladin and Scholar both to 60 before starting on the new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Shouldn't be, because it wouldn't be balanced.

Nobody is gonna tank up old jobs to level others because everyone is gonna be playing new jobs.

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I sure as hell won't, Viva la fates cos it's gonna be Ninja fiasco all over again with the que times.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Can we have a referendum for this? Use democracy to solve this issue.

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the think is this is not a democracy, this is not our game, we dont decide what we get , how and who, devs do and devs do what they need for the game bcs is a business, this discussion are pretty useless, we can ive some feedback to devs and thats all

Why does everyone think that the shortage of tanks is a result of not enough tank classes/jobs? People don't tank because it has a decent amount of responsibility attached to it. All adding another tank class/job will do is shift the actual number tanks playing to a different one.

I really want SAM in the game, and if it's added as dps I'll finally be able to ditch DRG as my main (I prefer 2hd sword weilding dps classes), but adding it as a tank isn't gonna change the fact I don't want to main a tank....so I won't.

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

Why does everyone think that the shortage of tanks is a result of not enough tank classes/jobs? People don't tank because it has a decent amount of responsibility attached to it. All adding another tank class/job will do is shift the actual number of tanks to playing a different one.

I really want SAM in the game, and if it's added as dps I'll finally be able to ditch DRG as my main (I prefer 2hd sword weilding dps classes), but adding it as a tank isn't gonna change the fact I don't want to main a tank....so I won't.

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By the same token, to go off the example of the job I'm wanting (Dancer), as much as I want to play Dancer, if it's a DPS I flat out refuse. I hate being a DPS. I mean irrationally hate. I only put up with it for friends when needed, but scurry back to my tanks and healers at the first opportunity. I also will not tackle any current expansion content as a DPS.

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

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the shortage is for miss imformation, DRK prove already ppl dont tank bcs they are fear and go in to the easy role, but when they give it a shot they find how wrong they are

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Originally Posted by shao32

the shortage is for miss imformation, DRK prove already ppl dont tank bcs they are fear and go in to the easy role, but when they give it a shot they find how wrong they are

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Does it matter? Shortage is shortage.

I actually like tanking, and have done it regularly in other mmos, but you can see by looking me up on the Lodestone that I have only recently started leveling a tank. I think a lot of people are like me - I prefer to learn content in games as a dps, and have only recently gotten to a point where I feel comfortable enough to actually tank in this game. Basically it's a learning thing for me. I'd rather learn 1st before taking the lead as a a tank.

All you have to do is go read through all the comments in this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry.-Let-s-vent. regarding "bad tanks" to see why I prefer to do things this way.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

By the same token, to go off the example of the job I'm wanting (Dancer), as much as I want to play Dancer, if it's a DPS I flat out refuse. I hate being a DPS. I mean irrationally hate. I only put up with it for friends when needed, but scurry back to my tanks and healers at the first opportunity. I also will not tackle any current expansion content as a DPS.

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And that's fine too. A lot of people are like you. If we didn't have people like you we'd have even longer queue times as dps. Kudos to you :)

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

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puff if i can count the bad dps i meet, bad players are bad players the role dont matter, you points are not enough of why devs have to cut the fun for one of the 3 pillars of the game, i play 90% of the time as tank, why you deserve more new toys that me?

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Originally Posted by shao32

puff if i can count the bad dps i meet, bad players are bad players the role dont matter, you points are not enough of why devs have to cut the fun for one of the 3 pillars of the game, i play 90% of the time as tank, why you deserve more new toys that me?

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Good for you.

Even though this isn't a discussion about bad players (regardless of job) my point still stands. The shortage isn't because of lack of tank classes. It's a result of people not wanting to tank.

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

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tanking is more importatn on this game that DPS, keep alive tanks is = to good healt of the game, for me i want new tanks but bcs SAM is the hot theme right knowwe are talking about he destiny and RDM is comfirmed as dps every person how can see more that they own roleknow whe need a healer and a tank to compensate the huge number of dps we have in this game compared to the numbers of tank jobs and healer jobs, even you favourite job become boring after play the same years with it, is natural want new forms to do you role, and DPS dont have that problem, think about if you only have 3 dps to choose.

Yup, that's what need, not one, but two more dps added this expansion. That will definitely help speed up queue times.

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

The shortage isn't because of lack of tank classes. It's a result of people not wanting to tank.

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You also need less tanks for raids, so DPS have more slots to fill.

Offered to gear up my tank job for raids, offer was declined as they wanted that I'd stay as DPS. :p

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

You also need less tanks for raids, so DPS have more slots to fill.

Offered to gear up my tank job for raids, offer was declined as they wanted that I'd stay as DPS. :p

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Your comment just switched a light on in my head. I wonder if allowing full premade 24-man raids would increase the number of tanks playing. I mean, if you're in a large enough FC now you can fill 6 tank slots (or 3), rather than just 2 (or 1) for 1 alliance, at the most......hmmm

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Originally Posted by shao32

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Dude, I understand what you are saying, tanks are important, but that's not my point, and is in no way a personal attack on tanks. All I'm saying is that the shortage is a result of people not wanting to tank. It doesn't have anything to do with the number of tank jobs there are. We could have 5 different tank jobs in the game and we'd STILL have a shortage.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Yes, please.

Reasons:

1. Already have 2 swordsman jobs for the tank role.

2. Still no sword user job for DD.

3. Ninja is the only slashing DD.

4. Yoshida-san said that Samurai would be a DD and we all know that he's a man of his word.

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Yeah, all the jobs using swords and axes are tanks so a DD one would be nice for a change for those who would like to play a DD job with a sword. Samurai would be perfect for that.

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Originally Posted by Apoptomon

We need another INT job and another STR job (DPS, tanks are VIT). It looks like RDM will be the former, and SAM is a valid candidate for the latter. So why not?

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I'm glad we finally get an INT new job finally. I love to play mage in games and MMOs and an INT job was really needed here. And yes, there is a lack of STR too and SAM would fit perfectly I agree.

And I'm used to queue time as a DPS, I read books while I wait, take notes for a course I'm doing, etc.

so the new dps (red mage) have a sword. now sam can be the new happy tank :)

He already said if it was added it would be a Tank.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

4. Yoshida-san said that Samurai would be a DD and we all know that he's a man of his word.

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No he said it would be tank.

we dont even know if we gating a sam. so fart we geting spiderman :)

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

He already said if it was added it would be a Tank.



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No he said it would be tank.

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If you could link something, anything, where he officially says SAM will be a tank that'd be great. Because, as far as I'm aware that was never officially stated. ;)

IIRC during the Heavensward set of fanfests they were thinking about adding SAM but they didn't think it fit as a tank so they went with DRK instead. That was a long time ago though.

they didnt think sam fit in Heavensward not as a tank.

So with Red Mage, we finally have a sword DPS. I am ok with this. Even if Samurai doesn't become a DPS, i finally have a sword DPS to play as so i'm happy.

That said, we have a 1-handed sword dps and it would be cool to have Samurai as our 2-handed sword dps. At this point however, I don't mind if it becomes tank or not since i have Red Mage.

Btw, i main tank atm and prefer Samurai to be DPS.

People saying that the majority of people is DPS so ofcourse majority will vote on samurai dps is like saying everyone is going to vote White Mage to be a dps. I really don't think the majority of the players are going to vote White Mage to be a dps. I can't predict what the masses will do tho...

What I think would be interesting is if we got Blue Mage to be a tank. Would be cool and they could Dual Wield aswell (Which is what shippuu wants i think?)

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

He already said if it was added it would be a Tank.



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No he said it would be tank.

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No, no he didn't.

Exact words from the interview. If it were Samurai, he felt DPS would fit better. As a Tank, Shogun would be better fitting. Unless there's another article I'm unaware of..

http://www.cgmagonline.com/2015/03/1...-with-yoshi-p/

Open article, Ctrl-F, type Samurai for the TL;DR.

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

Oh my God are you serious? Red mage already a DPS, yet you want ANOTHER DPS? Seems so unbiased, no really. The problem is that we need a viable tank role and Samurai as a Tank is the best option: heavy armor, good for parry etc. And is appealing for the MAJORITY (I said majority, so no not all tanks but a good some who actually main tank) want something nice. How many more DPS jobs do u want? Fk Tanking if yoshida isn't going to give love to tanks, might aswell go to DPS and yolo.

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majority of ppl are dps, so since the majority of ppl like sam and dps, it would annoy the majority of players if they made SAM into tank, because only a minority of players enjoy tanking.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Shouldn't be, because it wouldn't be balanced.

Nobody is gonna tank up old jobs to level others because everyone is gonna be playing new jobs.

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no they won't many ppl will cap their mains first.
there won't be a single SAM/RDM in stormblood areas for the majority of first day, while many ppl will do the MSQ with their lv 60 mains; it will take a few days before the new jobs start invading the new areas, en masse.
Since we're getting cross-server PF, you can very easily find a PT for whatever SB dungeon, with any job.

As someone who got out of the tanking scene because of stress and the lack of actually feeling accomplished playing my damn class in raid/statics, I honestly feel like they should rework tanks in general to actually make them more appealing to the casual and elite populous. The Class itself is boring and not at all refreshing or satisfying to play.

You either

A: Get Yelled at to Oblivion if you screw up once
B: Get Yelled at for Not DPSing Enough
C: Trying to pull a huge amount just to die because of lack of heals
D: Trying to pull a huge amount and dying due to random dps being low because lets be real: Most DPS are garbage, and throwing this into the DPS cesspool will only increase that.

At the moment, neither tank or dps would be a good idea for this class period until The Full Reveal of the NEW COMBAT SYSTEM!!!! *Sparkles* which honestly im worried its not even gonna be that big of a difference.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet

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Watch as people complain Red Mage does not use their sword enough and they treat sword as a secondary weapon due to prioritising the Staff Sword function more for long range combat over actual swordplay.

On that note:

Red Mage is a Range DPS so I am curious how will it function in battle if the main attacks are focused on casting spells and the sword attacks are Magic Slash Waves and short "charge in attack then jump back to position" skills

Its dangerous to not make a new tank classes, i mean many tanks will getting bored of playing the same class or feeling abandoned, so there will be a huge lack of tank, maybe dps will wait 4h for a dungeon :p

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Its dangerous to not make a new tank classes, i mean many tanks will getting bored of playing the same class or feeling abandoned, so there will be a huge lack of tank, maybe dps will wait 4h for a dungeon :p

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Ah no worries, POTD will be filled with DPS. xD

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Ah no worries, POTD will be filled with DPS. xD

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Ah yes, cause nothing says successful expansion like forcing a bunch of players to use old content.

Good luck getting through all those MSQ dungeons and getting endgame currency.

I'd definitely prefer samurai as a dps class.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Red Mage is a Range DPS so I am curious how will it function in battle if the main attacks are focused on casting spells and the sword attacks are Magic Slash Waves and short "charge in attack then jump back to position" skills

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i guess kind of like MCH/BRD when they use their "cast" extension, you cast your spells at range, and then sword skills, since auto attacks are physical, it will be like auto attacking with any caster/healer=rubbish damage.
Also we only saw 5 skills from what i can count, and we'll maybe have something around 30-35 skills (or since they want to reduce skill bloat, maybe still around the 27-30 we have now - so RDM can seamlessly cast spells at range, and do melee combo in melee range.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Ah yes, cause nothing says successful expansion like forcing a bunch of players to use old content.

Good luck getting through all those MSQ dungeons and getting endgame currency.

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i think ppl are exaggerating a bit, there was no such problem in HW, because lv cap went up- many ppl will cap their mains before taking up the new jobs, unless they are super hyped and WANT the new jobs as their mains over any other job.
there's nothing forcing you to run PotD, it's just one of the best options (so far) there's roulettes with XP bonus, new beast tribe quests (the HW beast quests give quite a lot of XP, and im sure the new beast quests in SB, will give tonnes, too) MSQ, side quests, FATEs; you can switch it up and do whatever.

I'm mostly a DPS player and I think SE should go tank with this one. SAM could be a good chance to both make Parry a viable stat and have a competitor for the Warrior slot in a raid. Given the obvious "cool" factor, it could also shift more of the playerbase towards tanks, which is more healthy for the solo DPS queues.

Now, if we make SAM a DPS class then what? Most likely a vast number of players would just flock on both RDM and SAM, given the forementioned "cool" factor. It would only escalate the queues for DPS players for the longest of times. And to be honest, aside from the "there's no sword-wielding DPS class!!" the only positive thing regarding game balance it could achieve is to have a 3rd class to compete for the STR loot. Slashing damage synergy? We are more in need of Blunt damage synergy tbh, as currently only Monks benefit from that, and the class is largely struggling as is.

Diversity of gameplay? We already have a handful of DPS classes, with varying playstyles, with the RDM coming down the road as well. Pretty much every DPS class has a competitor for the slot in raid (albeit Monk is regarded as weak for now). The tanks? Ehhh, they only have 3 classes atm, one of which is an instapick for the OT slot. Warrior has no real comptetitor at all, since PLD/DRK compete for the MT slot.

Then again, we might not even get SAM in the close future. I might change my stance on this depending what happens in 4.0, but as of now, I don't really see a point for the addition of a second DPS class for Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

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Except that Parry is either being heavily reworked if not out right being removed along with Accuracy.

Now that Red Mage has been confirmed as a dps, I don't think they're gonna make Samurai a dps too. However making Samurai a tank will not create more tanks, like Dark Knight, it will create less War/PLD/DKN. People that don't like tanking won't change their mind, whichever tanking class you bring into the game.

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Originally Posted by Fonkyama

Now that Red Mage has been confirmed as a dps, I don't think they're gonna make Samurai a dps too. However making Samurai a tank will not create more tanks, like Dark Knight, it will create less War/PLD/DKN. People that don't like tanking won't change their mind, whichever tanking class you bring into the game.

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Except it did create new tanks, I didn't play Tanks at all (outside of Fate leveling) till Dark Knight was released and I know I am not the only one.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Except it did create new tanks, I didn't play Tanks at all till Dark Knight was released and I know I am not the only one.

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That might be true, but how many do so consistently? Relying on data that shows that people got tanks to 60 isn't quite the same as how many got to 60 and are still reliably playing as one. I got two to 60, but refuse to tank unless two of the other party members are in the FC, and even then getting me to tank is a bit of a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

That might be true, but how many do so consistently? Relying on data that shows that people got tanks to 60 isn't quite the same as how many got to 60 and are still reliably playing as one. I got two to 60, but refuse to tank unless two of the other party members are in the FC, and even then getting me to tank is a bit of a stretch.

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Someone made mention of it before but an increase is still an increase. All it takes is for a job or role to appeal to someone in order for someone to just try and perhaps enjoy it and stick to it.