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11-23-2011, 05:13 AM
Kiote

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Originally Posted by REDace0

You may technically be correct in pointing out some less than ideal phrasing, but by referring to the self combos not being a replacement for the battle regimen system as a 'fact', Bayohne implies that it cannot be the 'misconception' mentioned.

I wasn't trying to point out bad phrasing, i want him to reconfirm in real Words what he means.

What he said literally means that the Combo system IS a replacement for Battle regimes.
11-23-2011, 05:16 AM
Airget

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiote

I wasn't trying to point out bad phrasing, i want him to reconfirm in real Words what he means.

What he said literally means that the Combo system IS a replacement for Battle regimes.

Did you even read the second sentence in that paragraph lol? If you read the whole paragraph you would clearly see that it stated "To view this as an entirely new system". So to even ask if this is a replacement just shows poor reading comprehension because you didn't even bother to read the whole paragraph before asking your question.
11-23-2011, 05:17 AM
NoctisUmbra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiote

I wasn't trying to point out bad phrasing, i want him to reconfirm in real Words what he means.

What he said literally means that the Combo system IS a replacement for Battle regimes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayohne

It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system.

It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system.
11-23-2011, 05:20 AM
Shoopdadoopdoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system.

It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system.
11-23-2011, 05:21 AM
Radiator

I think he meant to say are not replacment for the BR system (but thats my interpretation). I can't imagine they wouldnt be planning on some sort of team related combo/skillchain/BR in the longer term.
11-23-2011, 05:22 AM
Darkvalkyr

Bayohne just contradicted himself twice in the same sentence! For shame.
11-23-2011, 05:36 AM
Jennestia

FFXIV Forums...the forums that keep on giving. Amazing lol. It's not a replacement, but a new system. Bayo, I think you need to start typing in call caps :D
11-23-2011, 05:47 AM
Fiosha_Maureiba

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Originally Posted by Darkvalkyr

Bayohne just contradicted himself twice in the same sentence! For shame.

Bayohne contradicting himself is a contradiction and is fantastically umpossible.
11-23-2011, 05:53 AM
Davorok

In standard written English, when two negatives are used in one sentence, the negatives are understood to cancel one another and produce a weakened affirmative. However, in many dialects, the second negative is employed as an intensifier and should be understood as strengthening the negation rather than removing it.

Unfortunately the last statement, "It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system." does not entirely clear up the confusion as an "entirely new system" can still be a replacement for the old system or it could be an entirely new system alongside the entirely new system that replaces the old one.

"It's a separate system" may have been a better choice if it is indeed an entirely new system. ;>P
11-23-2011, 06:09 AM
Choyi

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Party-oriented battle mechanics will be implemented later, that is the plan.

This much we know, I simply wish to have more information on what exact direction they plan to take with it, instead of "we are considering a ... system" or "it will be implemented in the future" vague type answers.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

They can't implement everything all in one patch. That's too much work. They gotta start somewhere. The battle system is slowly being iterated upon. You can see the progression we've had so far in 1.17 > 1.18 > 1.19 and the gradual adjustments to gameplay. Just be patient.

I never asked for it to be here now, I am aware of how a MMORPG or any bigger game goes trough development and that some things will come before others and progress trough patches.

Patience I have plenty, but curiosity more so, all I'm asking for here is if theres any information to be had from the devs for the future of party based combos/br/sc whatever you choose to call it.

Like I said, self combos does'nt excite me much, but I'm fairly sure it wont take away from the game either and as stated I will wait and see how it plays out before passing any judgement on said system. :>
11-23-2011, 06:18 AM
NoctisUmbra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davorok

In standard written English, when two negatives are used in one sentence, the negatives are understood to cancel one another and produce a weakened affirmative. However, in many dialects, the second negative is employed as an intensifier and should be understood as strengthening the negation rather than removing it.

Unfortunately the last statement, "It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system." does not entirely clear up the confusion as an "entirely new system" can still be a replacement for the old system or it could be an entirely new system alongside the entirely new system that replaces the old one.

"It's a separate system" may have been a better choice if it is indeed an entirely new system. ;>P

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11-23-2011, 06:21 AM
Sorel

A full page on Bayohne's double negatives ... really?? REALLY??
11-23-2011, 06:23 AM
Radiator

I am not not contributing to the continuation of this thread.
11-23-2011, 06:36 AM
Dargoth_Draconia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiote

So, they are a replacement for the battle regimen system?

He just said that this is not a replacement for the Battle Regimen, this is something extra on the side.
11-23-2011, 06:41 AM
Picoman

I vote for forums to be suspended until 2.0.

This, w/e this is, is not doing anyone any good at all.
11-23-2011, 07:09 AM
HiirNoivl

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

He just said that this is not a replacement for the Battle Regimen, this is something extra on the side.

Your sig is bouncing to my music. I'm scared.
11-23-2011, 09:05 AM
Davorok

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

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Thank you Bayohne and Kiote. I couldn't have done it without you.
11-23-2011, 11:19 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/e...jpg?1282626490

Seriously though, when you're gonna make baseless comments, at least speak for yourself.

How about you read before you quote me i said people who enjoy team work now with the new dev post it seem combo is not a system that come from BR. so maybe we are going to get a type of new br later down the road which is a good thing.

Some people enjoy doing skillchain together and making a awesome attack at the end. BR even tho was not that good looking it was very helpful if you knew what to do.
11-23-2011, 11:29 AM
NoctisUmbra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenaku

How about you read before you quote me i said people who enjoy team work now with the new dev post it seem combo is not a system that come from BR. so maybe we are going to get a type of new br later down the road which is a good thing.

Some people enjoy doing skillchain together and making a awesome attack at the end. BR even tho was not that good looking it was very helpful if you knew what to do.

Telling me to actually read? Ironic. I was actually quite clearly referring to this very sentence that i bolded:

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

This is pretty much useless for us players who enjoy team work and like the idea of it.

I enjoy teamwork. I love the idea of it. This individual combo system is not useless. There's more to teamwork than flashy group effects - which we will get in the future as a new and improved form of BR anyway.

Hence my telling you to speak for yourself.

Yea... read.
11-23-2011, 02:11 PM
HoolieWho

Maybe the double negative is a new form of word combo we can expect in update 1.20 to the English language. I'm not unexcited!
11-23-2011, 02:26 PM
Physic

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

One misconception I'd like to stamp out now is the fact that these self-combos aren't a replacement for the previous battle regimen system. It would be best if you could look at them as an entirely new system.

Another thing I wanted to mention was the fact that the team is working on making it easy to visualize how to continue your combo. They're working to get it in by 1.20 but it's not a guarantee yet.

ahhh as someone who supposedly has excellent reading comprehension skills, this whole statement is pretty confusing, the first statement contradicts the second, based on the final sentence, i would assume that he is saying they are not a replacement, but its still pretty unclear.

could be

There is a misconception. These combos are not a replacement, they are a new system

"self combos arent the replacement for battle regimens"<==== this statement is a misconception. implication becomes self combos are a replacement.

essentially since the point of bayonne posting is usually clarity, this is making things unclear, though i would assume the first part of the statement was an error, and it is in fact a different system. but that is an assumption.
11-23-2011, 03:17 PM
Rowyne

If combos will work like Chain Skills in Aion, I'll be pretty pumped. That was something I really enjoyed about combat in that game.

This is honestly the first battle system change they've made in a while that has me excited.
11-23-2011, 10:58 PM
tachikoma

bay should lock the thread, delete some posts and ninja his own post "THIS IS A BRAND NEW SYSTEM AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BR'S WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE REPLACEMENT FOR BR's BUT DUE TO SYSTEM LIMITATIONS EXPECT IT IN 2.0"
11-24-2011, 07:32 AM
Bayohne

Oh, er, I just saw all the follow up comments. I think most everyone got my meaning, but I apologize for any confusion caused.

There is a misconception that the individual combos are the replacement for the battle regimen system that was temporarily suspended in patch 1.19.
This is not the case.
The individual combos are an entirely new system.

I'm just gonna start writing really simple from now on so I don't confuse even myself. :(
11-24-2011, 07:50 AM
Betelgeuzah

Now that's taken care of here's another question:

Are you going to reveal the rehauled traits at some point or are their specs too up in the air to give a reasonable explanation behind what they do ahead of time?
11-24-2011, 08:17 AM
Moiren

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayohne

Oh, er, I just saw all the follow up comments. I think most everyone got my meaning, but I apologize for any confusion caused.

There is a misconception that the individual combos are the replacement for the battle regimen system that was temporarily suspended in patch 1.19.
This is not the case.
The individual combos are an entirely new system.

I'm just gonna start writing really simple from now on so I don't confuse even myself. :(

:(

/10char
11-24-2011, 08:38 AM
Aistaraina

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayohne

I'm just gonna start writing really simple from now on so I don't confuse even myself. :(

Simple ~~Jack~~ Matt.
11-24-2011, 09:38 AM
Starlord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayohne

Oh, er, I just saw all the follow up comments. I think most everyone got my meaning, but I apologize for any confusion caused.

There is a misconception that the individual combos are the replacement for the battle regimen system that was temporarily suspended in patch 1.19.
This is not the case.
The individual combos are an entirely new system.

I'm just gonna start writing really simple from now on so I don't confuse even myself. :(

Its okay Bayo, some people just like to Trolololol people.. including the Reps =( *hugs*
11-24-2011, 10:16 AM
Antanias

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I'm just gonna start writing really simple from now on so I don't confuse even myself. :(

I understand ya just fine, just some ppl are allergic to comprehension at time :D
11-24-2011, 11:47 AM
SniperRifle

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