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Originally Posted by Archvile78

Yeah, i doubt they would make it that easy.



Doubftul i'd say, you'll probably need to do it again.

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doesn't really change anything.
if you got 30/30, you just play to floor100 and get 60/60, buy a padjal, then go to floor 100 again, and get 60/60 again, and upgrade to kinna weapon.
also it is easy, because many ppl have padjal wep and 30/30 and can go to floor 100 and get Kinna wep, pretty much right away.

it's probably retroactive; i think the only time it wasn't, was when we transition from 1.0-2.0 (well some were retroactive) so i think you log in, and new achievements should pop up right away.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

doesn't really change anything.
if you got 30/30, you just play to floor100 and get 60/60, buy a padjal, then go to floor 100 again, and get 60/60 again, and upgrade to kinna weapon.
also it is easy, because many ppl have padjal wep and 30/30 and can go to floor 100 and get Kinna wep, pretty much right away.

it's probably retroactive; i think the only time it wasn't, was when we transition from 1.0-2.0 (well some were retroactive) so i think you log in, and new achievements should pop up right away.

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It's actually even easier now, if you look at a post i made later. Now buying a padjali/kinna remove 30/60 on your arm/armor. Meaning if i had 75 arm/armor and bought a padjali it would drop to +45 instead of resetting to zero.

In my case i'll hold it till +99, i assume the late 150/160 floors will require almost a maxed out armor and arm. I'll get the Kinna weapon down the line.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

No way to know until it's actually up, but if you've at least still got the clear save it's possible maybe. If it's gone? Not likely at all. The only way it'd happen otherwise is if there's been something hidden away tracking that stuff from the start.

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Even in that case, achievements were never rectroactively given. The progression bar might be full but one needs to perform one more time the requirement for the achievement to be unlocked.

For instance, when HW was released, new dungeon completion achievements were unlocked. A lot of people already had run so many dungeons that they should have got them. However, they earned these achievements only after running their first dungeon post-HW release (mostly Dusk Vigil).

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Originally Posted by Archvile78

It's actually even easier now, if you look at a post i made later. Now buying a padjali/kinna remove 30/60 on your arm/armor. Meaning if i had 75 arm/armor and bought a padjali it would drop to +45 instead of resetting to zero.

In my case i'll hold it till +99, i assume the late 150/160 floors will require almost a maxed out armor and arm. I'll get the Kinna weapon down the line.

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ya, in my case i already have all sophia weps, so don't really need any kinna wep, so it'll be a glam item later on.
since it's 200 floors, and 99/99, i'd just go with 1 enhancement for every 2 floors, as minimum req. and i don't think you'll need 99/99 unless you're going solo.

All I want to know... Night Pegasus and how to get it.

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Originally Posted by Arielyanna

All I want to know... Night Pegasus and how to get it.

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Maybe something new to grind in Diadem ?

Presumably it'll be in one of the new sacks from the Accursed Hoard.

For me, 101-200 being Fixed Party only kills those floors. I am still looking forward to trying floors 51-100 though.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Presumably it'll be in one of the new sacks from the Accursed Hoard.

For me, 101-200 being Fixed Party only kills those floors. I am still looking forward to trying floors 51-100 though.

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Indeed, I do not mind the whole "zero KO" part, but having to find 3 other players and starting from floor 1 and you need to stick with those players from start to finish and if 1 of them dies you have to start from the begining, is a little a too much.

So in a way trying floor 101+ solo will already be quite difficult because you would need 0 K.O in all those floors before that. :/ I managed to beat floor 50 solo and looked forward trying all the other floors but this kinda saddens me..sometimes you just have really bad luck and get killed by the boss or on some floors in between..which now means that you have to start from 1 again to even get the chance to try out 101..yes it will be hardcore and I am not even sure if it would be even soloable but at least make it something like 3 K.O's..I dont have a static or friends that are always on at the same time so this floors will probably be out of my reach..how disappointing..

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Originally Posted by Radacci

ya, in my case i already have all sophia weps, so don't really need any kinna wep, so it'll be a glam item later on.
since it's 200 floors, and 99/99, i'd just go with 1 enhancement for every 2 floors, as minimum req. and i don't think you'll need 99/99 unless you're going solo.

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That's possible, we'll have to see how hard those floors actually are.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

Uggggggh still can't trade in Fiend Totems for a warring lanner please just end my pain

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probably wont happen til .5 when The next primal is out.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

Actually, to be honest. I like this part.

I would rather do the challenging content with a fixed party than with a group of random people who won't / can't work together.

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agreed. This should help with the mindless high level face pulls

Changed my mind after few potd runs lol. .. people are treating it like 1 to 10 ._. Saw a tank with 3% hp run into room n aoe all the mobs lmao

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Indeed, I do not mind the whole "zero KO" part, but having to find 3 other players and starting from floor 1 and you need to stick with those players from start to finish and if 1 of them dies you have to start from the begining, is a little a too much.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

which now means that you have to start from 1 again to even get the chance to try out 101

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Based off of the patch notes, you can also get to 101+ if you start from level 51.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

My issue lies in this qoute

"Floor 100 and Beyond

While floors up to 100 are related to the story of the Palace of the Dead, all floors after were created strictly as a challenge for players. For this reason, you cannot enter floors beyond 100 with a matched party.
Furthermore, players must meet the following requirements to challenge these floors:

Start from floor 1 or floor 51 with a fixed party and clear up to floor 100.
Party KO count must be zero."

Not have a single KO? That is a bit excessive in my eyes, it's not impossible, and going 1-50 with prebuilt team is fairly easy, but from my understanding 51-100 is supposed to be much more difficult, I'd say having 3 or more KOs lock you out of floors beyond 100.

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No my friend, that's not excessive. That my friend is a challenge.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

what i also wonder is if you can skip 1-50 if you are currently 0/0 and if so if it is even feasible or if you end up being a burden to the party

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In the current system, if your progress didn't match your team mates and you tried to queue, you got an error message that someone didn't have a corresponding save slot.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

No my friend, that's not excessive. That my friend is a challenge.

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Also a misunderstanding I think.

It means if the entire party is KO'd, not a party member being KO'd.
If you wipe on floor 124 for example, you don't start again from 121, you start from 51. To prevent trying to cheese pomanders and layouts I assume.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Indeed, I do not mind the whole "zero KO" part, but having to find 3 other players and starting from floor 1 and you need to stick with those players from start to finish and if 1 of them dies you have to start from the begining, is a little a too much.

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It's not if one of them dies. A party-KO is if everyone in the party dies. If it was just from a single person getting KOed then it would make the new auto-raise pomander useless...

The purpose of this is to turn the 101+ floors into a proper roguelike dungeon. If you wipe, that's it, you're done and have to start again from the beginning.

Forced fixed party still stinks.
I look forward to making a party finder, getting all the way to floor 150, and then having someone say, sorry, gotta go bye!
And that would be FINE ... if we could replace them...

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

Are achievements retroactive?

If I've already cleared an achievement in the past, before the achievement was added to the game, will I automatically receive the achievement when I log in?

I am asking because I've already cleared floors 1-50 solo.

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The way new achievements usually work is that you need to do the task one more time in order to unlock them. For example, if they added an achievement for "Complete Sastasha 5,000 times" and you had already completed Sastasha 7,136 times, you would still need to complete it one more time in order for the achievement to unlock, even though you should already be eligible for it.

For the "Clear the 1st through the 50th floors of the Palace of the Dead solo." achievement, it is pretty much a guarantee that you won't unlock those simply by logging in after the patch. In the best case scenario, you might be able to unlock it by continuing a solo level 50 save and completing floors 51-60.

Yes, the achievement was not retroactive.

I will need to complete floors 1-50 solo again.
Last time I did it as a Summoner, but I have not played Summoner since then.
I probably can't play very well, so I will try as a ninja.

I'm pretty upset by the new PotD requirements. I have two friends that I can consistently play with, but our play window is very small. Finding a 4th person who is available for that limited window and is willing to only play for ~an hour per day is going to be very difficult.

PotD went from one of the most casual friendly pieces of content in the game to one of the least overnight.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

I'm pretty upset by the new PotD requirements. I have two friends that I can consistently play with, but our play window is very small. Finding a 4th person who is available for that limited window and is willing to only play for ~an hour per day is going to be very difficult.

PotD went from one of the most casual friendly pieces of content in the game to one of the least overnight.

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You don't need a full party.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

I'm pretty upset by the new PotD requirements. I have two friends that I can consistently play with, but our play window is very small. Finding a 4th person who is available for that limited window and is willing to only play for ~an hour per day is going to be very difficult.

PotD went from one of the most casual friendly pieces of content in the game to one of the least overnight.

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S-E has also stated time and time again that 100-200 was not meant for casual friendly stuff. It was meant to be the equal to Savage raid.

Short of having a good group being able to coordinate together, Savage raids normally don't do very well in DF. Nor are they added initially to the DF. This doesn't stray from the norm.

Kinda confused why you'd be upset to content you don't have time to do. You wouldn't be able to master a Savage raid in an hour. This amounts to the same.

So if you want to do potd 101+ you are essentialy forced to create a PERMANENT 4 man static without the ability of swaping out members? This is an even harsher requirement than a savage static haha. What an absolutely moronic way of doing it...
Why lock out people out of floors 101+ llike this?! Just make the qeue requirement akin to that of savage raids, there is absolutely no need for this fixed garbage.

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

So if you want to do potd 101+ you are essentialy forced to create a 4 man static without the ability of swaping out members? This is an even harsher requirement than a savage static haha. What an absolutely moronic way of doing it...
Why lock out people out of floors 101+ llike this?! Just make the qeue requirement akin to that of savage raids, there is absolutely no need for this fixed garbage.

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You do not need a full party.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You don't need a full party.

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You don't need a full party, but it's going to be very difficult to clear this content without one. At the very least, it will be much slower.

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Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

Kinda confused why you'd be upset to content you don't have time to do. You wouldn't be able to master a Savage raid in an hour. This amounts to the same.

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It just seems a very odd decision to have incredibly casual content go straight into hardcore content. It would be like saying you can buy the Fenrir mount with MGP earned from Triple Triad, but you have to beat A8S to do it. It's especially odd since this has story content, and they said with Alexander that they no longer wanted to gate any story behind hardcore-only content. I don't necessarily agree with that (I loved accessing story by beating Coils) but I wish they'd pick a side and stick with it.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You do not need a full party.

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So you keep saying, and you are technically correct. But if this is really supposed to be challenging content, having less than four people will obviously make it even more challenging (you don't get any kind of bonus for going in undersized). So if you don't have exactly four people playing together, you are going to suffer - if you have less, it's harder than intended, and if you have more, someone gets left out.

Personally, I won't be touching floors 101+ for the same reason I don't raid: I refuse to play on a schedule. Disappointed by this choice, but it is what it is. I'll still enjoy 51-100.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You do not need a full party.

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Yeah no maybe learn to read??
The main problem is the fixed part. What difference is it if its 3 or 2? Members cannot be swapped and if one of your friends cant go that day NOONE in your save data goes. You ar locked out.
Moronic.

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

Yeah no maybe learn to read??
The main problem is the fixed part. What difference is it if its 3 or 2? Members cannot be swapped and if one of your friends cant go that day NOONE in your save data goes. You ar locked out.
Moronic.

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The difference is that it's much easier to get 2 or 3 members than it is to get 4.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

You don't need a full party, but it's going to be very difficult to clear this content without one. At the very least, it will be much slower.




It just seems a very odd decision to have incredibly casual content go straight into hardcore content. It would be like saying you can buy the Fenrir mount with MGP earned from Triple Triad, but you have to beat A8S to do it. It's especially odd since this has story content, and they said with Alexander that they no longer wanted to gate any story behind hardcore-only content. I don't necessarily agree with that (I loved accessing story by beating Coils) but I wish they'd pick a side and stick with it.

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Well yes and no.

Think about it on a raiding standpoint: Technically, they could have made Alexander the same was as Coil was in 2.0. But they wanted everyone to do the story and Savage Mode was introduced as regular content for hardcore people. It follows the general guidelines that were established when they first showed off Savage for Second Coil:

1) A group is going to go in there and not be able to simply DF it; you will need a permanent party or a Party Finder.
2) This is not easy content nor is it casual content. This was made to test your mettle.
3) This doesn't really go into detail with extra story. This is just harder requirements.

The only caveat to that is that Alexander introduced the higher tiered gear that you can get from Savage. This was not the case in 2.0 Savage and, to me, has caused a lot of headaches with the whole itemization level we've seen in 3.0 (That's a story for another time.)

PotD actually follows 2.0 a bit more than 3.0, with the only fact that you probably are going to get more Silver/Gold from the higher levels. You don't get extra gear, you don't get anything story wise you wouldn't get from doing only up to 100, and it's a test to see how good you are. It's like an extra set of goodies for you to do.

To me, this follows the same logic they've followed in regards to 'Savage' content. If you think about it: Alexander is pretty damn casual really. Sure, the fights were a headache, but once you figured it out, you could plow through. PotD will be the same way once people get the required gear level to flow through most of it. And even then, it'll be more challenging than the Alexander normal stuff because you will be exchanging your + number for gear when you want, which will increase the difficulty of your runs due to the lowering of stats.

I don't know. I don't have an FC that has many members that are active and 4 man content together is hard to do and I do most of my stuff in DF. This doesn't phase me in the least and I've come to accept that the Savage portion of this game won't be done. I just don't get upset about it, really.

Horrible...I'll drown myself in PoD.

I'm having tileset deja-vu here...
is it so much to ask that the graphics be changed even a LITTLE bit every 10 floors?
Geez...

Another thing that makes no sense about this Fixed Only policy: Even if you're okay with the fact that this casual content has become hardcore content, you're not forced to do any other hardcore content in the game with the same people all the time. It's much easier to clear Alexander Savage with a static, but you have the option not to. If Joe isn't able to make it to raid, he can be replaced. If you weren't able to clear a floor with your static, you can try to clear it with a PF group.

With PotD, if one of your party members isn't able to make it, too bad. You don't get to play. What happens if the person you entered with quits unexpectedly? You're completely screwed. This is just straight up bad game design.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

With PotD, if one of your party members isn't able to make it, too bad. You don't get to play. What happens if the person you entered with quits unexpectedly? You're completely screwed. This is just straight up bad game design.

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Good thing there's two save files with PotD, so you can still use the second one if your first one can't be continued at that time.

I've already had a few friends and FC members telling me that 70-100 can be quite unforgiving, especially with party setups that don't have a healer. I can't imagine 101+ being all that fun if you end up getting into a full dps party.

I was dissapointed to read that 101+ is fixed only. POTD is something I enjoy and do often - but my fc are mostly social and don't really do POTD or savage contents.

I WHM main so have been able to get through most things with PUGs no problem and use that as my play method.

So I feel that I will likely get locked from participating in the higher levels because I don't belong to a static group of people who play religiously at the same time each week.

Sho sad.

my main trouble is the fact to redo 1-100 each time, it's about 4-6 hours only for this part, behind this you get the part 101-200 part.
means each time you want to run 101-200 you will need to spend 4-6 hours of deep dungeon... and what is the reward for this? some hidden treasure. that will maybe have high allagan and last BC armor repliqua.

this content have a very high recquirement compared to the raid, but don't deserve even a reward. that kinda strange.... if they want us to partake in something that heavy and long, we need to get something in return, not everyone is fond of scoring or bragging right. plus no one say that the one that will be the first will not cheat, since it's possible to cheat in the game with third party.

my question is, add content like this is great, but why treat it like an inferior content, while asking a very high and heavy recquirement without giving any reward for it. why not give a true incentive reason to partake into it. why a content that already more used than raid and ask high level of skill can't receive a decent treatment and offer a reward worth the time, difficulty and investment pour into it.

ps: when i say high recquirement in comparaison of the raid, for the raid you only need get the ilevel and finish the normal raid and you can start. but never the raid ask you to do an activity for 5-6 hours for get the right to do the actual content.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

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They should have made it like "hardcore endgame savage 4-people dungeons", which we've never had up to now, but keeping the 1Tank 1Heal 2DPS composition to it. Or at least make it on a way that every party match up has at least 1 healer or 1 summoner, thus allowing us to use the matched party thing. If it's challenging regardless, not everybody will be able to clear it anyways. I see no point on gating it behind premades that can't be switched in the future in case it's needed.

Even with two save slots and being able to have two parties it feels clunky as hell, because if only 2 or 3 members of each party are online at the moment we can't all party up and continue because saveslot data from 100+ can't be changed no matter what.
IF the only restriction was to be party of a premade of 4 in order to enter/progress, I would be okay with that. But on top of that restricting the progress to those 4 people (not even the jobs, but the players, the usernames), is incredibly flawed.

I may not suffer that much since I'm on a high populated server and usually I only play with the same people everyday.
But I can only imagine how frustrating that can be for people on lower populated servers when the "hype" for PotD dies and you have to set a party finder up for it, as if it's progression savage content, and making up a static scheduled just for PotD on top of Alexander. lol

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

my main trouble is the fact to redo 1-100 each time

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Reading the patch notes is a good idea, y'know.

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Originally Posted by 3.45 Patch Notes

Players who have cleared floor 50 of the Palace of the Dead will now be given the option to start from floor 1 or floor 51 when creating a new save file.
When starting from floor 51, players will be set to level 60 and their inventories will be cleared of pomanders.

Furthermore, players must meet the following requirements to challenge these floors:

- Start from floor 1 or floor 51 with a fixed party and clear up to floor 100.
- Party KO count must be zero.

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even from 51 to 100 is about 2-3 hours.... only for one try of 100+