GC First Lieutenant

Has anyone had a recruit die?

I believe, the initial recruit you need to recruit to even access the system should not be RNG based.

The very first one required to even access the system should be guaranteed from your first challenge log, the rest can drop back to rng.



You don't want the possiblity of someone cmpleting the entire challenge log and not getting a recruit, thus being locked out of the new system for up to a week...

Disregard /10char

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

I believe, the initial recruit you need to recruit to even access the system should not be RNG based.

The very first one required to even access the system should be guaranteed from your first challenge log, the rest can drop back to rng.



You don't want the possiblity of someone cmpleting the entire challenge log and not getting a recruit, thus being locked out of the new system for up to a week...

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I'm pretty sure the chance is high enough that you're more or less guaranteed to get one before you complete the entire log. There will probably be an outlier case but that's very extreme.

Honestly I am inclinded to think recruits have a time limit. If you don't recruit them fast enough I guess they might go away?

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Originally Posted by Valendred

I'm pretty sure the chance is high enough that you're more or less guaranteed to get one before you complete the entire log. There will probably be an outlier case but that's very extreme.

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Still, even though the odds may be astronomical, it probably shouldn't be left to chance on the one you are required to get to start using the system.

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Originally Posted by Stiggie

Hi guys,
I just hit level 20 with my squadron members and it unlocked a new mission. The mission is lvl20 and is way too difficult for my squad to handle. There is no mention of MY rank going up, however completing this mission will increase the rank of my squad. More to come as I level.

https://i.imgur.com/XEPpSrL.png

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What a difference a day makes. 3 levels put me from "not being ready." to "bound to succeed.". Probably because I hit all of the prereq mission stats.

https://i.imgur.com/x8DpQzc.png

https://i.imgur.com/IKt5lis.png

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Originally Posted by Stiggie

What a difference a day makes. 3 levels put me from "not being ready." to "bound to succeed.". Probably because I hit all of the prereq mission stats.

https://i.imgur.com/x8DpQzc.png

https://i.imgur.com/IKt5lis.png

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You're one heck of a lucky person, ive been doing ti from day 1 and its still only around lvl 17. They failed the lvl 10 supply wagon mission, even though all stats were over the requirement haha

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Originally Posted by Syrellaris

You're one heck of a lucky person, ive been doing ti from day 1 and its still only around lvl 17. They failed the lvl 10 supply wagon mission, even though all stats were over the requirement haha

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You need to beat them harder.

I've yet to see any concrete reward listed for this. My second in command potato says something about risk vs reward, and I couldn't understand what either the risk or reward could be. Now it looks like you can fail a mission. Is that all? I was kind of hoping I could send my lalafail caster out alone on a mission never to return (since I can't find a way to simply remove them).

I guess the "higher chance of getting a new recruit" item can be considered a reward, but it still just feeds back into the system, like squad exp. Are there any tangible rewards that have an effect outside of the squad room?
Completed 8 or 9 challenge logs and still no new recruits since the first one. Yay RNG.

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Originally Posted by Stiggie

https://i.imgur.com/IKt5lis.png

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I envy your pugilist's balanced stats. My rogue's messing up my squad!

I can't do the mission yet. I'll have to save it for another day.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

"I'll be blunt. The squadron isn't ready for this mission."

Let me go with them! I'll show them how it's done!

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Thats the problem, we can't go with them. So dumb, I hated it in WoW, I hate it here

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

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Originally Posted by Nihility

Didn't notice it mentioned but there is an item you can buy from grand company that makes recruits show up much more reliably

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Problem with that item is you already need to have ranked up to first lieutenant to buy it. If we need a good squadron to get first lieutenant then by the time we can buy that item, we won't need it... so that's basically for if you decide you want a new looking character on your squad.

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It can also be a reward for some of the missions. That still requires a workable 4 member squad, but at least it's a lower bar than 1st Lieutenant.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

Now it looks like you can fail a mission. Is that all?

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What happens when you fail a mission? Do they just come back without the expected XP boost, so spent a few seals and 18 hours for nothing? What does the sergeant and/or mission report say about it?

(I really think they should flesh out these missions with some details about what happened. Not even the recon mission gave any info, and that's what they went for, to get info. It'd be so much cooler if they had real mission reports that say what happened, what they encountered, etc.)

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

I guess the "higher chance of getting a new recruit" item can be considered a reward, but it still just feeds back into the system, like squad exp. Are there any tangible rewards that have an effect outside of the squad room?

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Well, the fact that you can get that item proves that the system allows for giving out items as a result of missions. Maybe it's just these low-level trainee missions where there's nothing more useful.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

What happens when you fail a mission? Do they just come back without the expected XP boost, so spent a few seals and 18 hours for nothing? What does the sergeant and/or mission report say about it?

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they come back with minimal exp and nothing else. source: mine failed a mission and got like 2k exp lmao

and the sergeant just says it failed.

All this cruddy RNG just for a fancy coat and hat.
The things I do for vanity...

Since they are changing their gear as they level, I hope they change jobs as well once they hit 30.

I have a problem.

I have 3 archers. I want to go sob in a corner now, because I can't decide which ones I wanna boot, if at all.

I've got...
1 Conjurer (and my only healer)
1 Marauder
1 Gladiator
1 Lancer
1 Thaumaturge
3 Archers

That's what I get for maining Bard. If this later turns into some FF Tactics minigame, we're gonna rain so much death from afar. :/

(And the singing. Can't forget all the singing.)

EDIT: I just realized I can class change the Archers at will later on. Horray!

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

I have a problem.

I have 3 archers. I want to go sob in a corner now, because I can't decide which ones I wanna boot, if at all.

I've got...
1 Conjurer (and my only healer)
1 Marauder
1 Gladiator
1 Lancer
1 Thaumaturge
3 Archers

That's what I get for maining Bard. If this later turns into some FF Tactics minigame, we're gonna rain so much death from afar. :/

(And the singing. Can't forget all the singing.)

EDIT: I just realized I can class change the Archers at will later on. Horray!

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I thought you could boot members when you had 8/8 people? Is that not possible?

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Originally Posted by Kallistra

I thought you could boot members when you had 8/8 people? Is that not possible?

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Yes, it's possible.

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Originally Posted by JinTabasa

All this cruddy RNG just for a fancy coat and hat.
The things I do for vanity...

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It'll be worth it in the long run, when they add more items for this rank. Hopefully useful items and new tier of gc furnitures and minions / gc barding.

Woo! Rank 2 achieved! 6 new 20+ missions and attribute cap raised to 280!

https://i.imgur.com/gxwFyn7.png

https://i.imgur.com/wvOa4cP.png

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Yoshi said a while back that the previous GC ranks felt a little meaningless because of how easy they were to achieve and they didn't like using currency to simply buy them.

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It makes sense if you're a member of the Immortal Flames :^)

Congrats on reaching rank 2! Does that open up First Lieutenant promotion, or does it require a higher squadron rank?

Why am I 3 points short of req and yet the NPC tells me I'll pretty much fail?

http://puu.sh/rumCi/6fad960032.jpg

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Originally Posted by Resolute_Hunger

Why am I 3 points short of req and yet the NPC tells me I'll pretty much fail?

http://puu.sh/rumCi/6fad960032.jpg

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You need to meet all the requirements for that one I think.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You need to meet all the requirements for that one I think.

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That makes sense. I'll find out in the morning...for science! :3

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Originally Posted by Stiggie

Hi guys,
I just hit level 20 with my squadron members and it unlocked a new mission. The mission is lvl20 and is way too difficult for my squad to handle. There is no mention of MY rank going up, however completing this mission will increase the rank of my squad. More to come as I level.

https://i.imgur.com/XEPpSrL.png

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Even mental -1 the rest over the standard still "isn't ready" this system is so broken
http://imgur.com/aM9ZZQ1.png

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Originally Posted by Ramen

Even mental -1 the rest over the standard still "isn't ready" this system is so broken
http://imgur.com/aM9ZZQ1.png

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What do you mean? Both your Strength and Mental scores are below the required attributes listed.

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Originally Posted by Ramen

Even mental -1 the rest over the standard still "isn't ready" this system is so broken

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This is specific to this particular quests, and very probably to all the next ones like this.
It's a special mission, with strict requirements.

Besides, with only a single training in +Men -Str -Tac, your stats with your MRD, LNC, CNJ, ROG would've been above the requirements. So, if your last 3 training were only for EXP, then you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

What do you mean? Both your Strength and Mental scores are below the required attributes listed.

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No, it's the other way around. His stats are 250/244/256. The mission stats are 235/245/255. So, a difference of +15/-1/+1. Only his Mental is one point below.

But that's a good mistake, it shows the poor ui design regarding total stats vs. mission stats... which is why I'm making a little tool to help me calculate stuff and try combinations. Here are the stats of Ramen just above:
http://i.imgur.com/kH7AuJY.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fyce

which is why I'm making a little tool to help me calculate stuff and try combinations. Here are the stats of Ramen just above:
http://i.imgur.com/kH7AuJY.jpg

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Hi, Thanks a lot for the tool development. I was asking the community before but seems most were clueless even to how complex the issue is, such as choose which 4 members out of 8 particular members, how to plan the 3 training sections...
So far, I'm using someone's Google Sheet to do the calculation, but your interface definitely looks much clearer.

Thanks for your help to the community.

PS... is it possible to put a 9th placement as "new enlistment"? Since you have to recruit or dismiss the first new enlistment in order to see next new enlistment, so one more place is ok... since new enlistment maybe can dramatically change everything...but, by doing so, will increase your data array tho @@:::

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

They should NEVER tie any progress to RNG...
I wonder what the requirements are for those "Star-Missions" to appear?

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The special missions appear to be tied to recruit level. First unlocks when any recruit hits level 20.

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Originally Posted by Kallistra

I thought you could boot members when you had 8/8 people? Is that not possible?

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You can dismiss an existing member to make room when you have a new recruit. Not sure if you can dismiss otherwise.

Someone on reddit used the data explorer and found when you complete your level 40 mission you unlock the new GC rank.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ting_level_40/

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Someone on reddit used the data explorer and found when you complete your level 40 mission you unlock the new GC rank.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ting_level_40/

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Wow, not allowed a discussion about the subject anymore now? >.> Discussion doesn't mean one person states a fact.

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

Yes, it's possible.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

You can dismiss an existing member to make room when you have a new recruit. Not sure if you can dismiss otherwise.

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Ah. I have 8 myself, but I'm alright with how they are. My girlfriend on the other hand... she's been trying to hunt down some very specific NPCs.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/6723fc39...o1_r1_1280.png

I told her to just hire some to have 8/8 that she can switch out, I told her she could always dismiss them... but I wasn't 100% when I said that. Got scared for my life for a moment there, lol.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Wow, not allowed a discussion about the subject anymore now? >.> Discussion doesn't mean one person states a fact.

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There's nothing more to discuss. You get the rank when you do the lvl 40 mission.

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Originally Posted by Ramen

Hi, Thanks a lot for the tool development. I was asking the community before but seems most were clueless even to how complex the issue is, such as choose which 4 members out of 8 particular members, how to plan the 3 training sections...
So far, I'm using someone's Google Sheet to do the calculation, but your interface definitely looks much clearer.

Thanks for your help to the community.

PS... is it possible to put a 9th placement as "new enlistment"? Since you have to recruit or dismiss the first new enlistment in order to see next new enlistment, so one more place is ok... since new enlistment maybe can dramatically change everything...but, by doing so, will increase your data array tho @@:::

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This doc received an update since someone datamined all the stats for all the units levels depending on their job. So manually setting the stats of your units is already obsolete. Same for the required missions' stats, we have everything 'til Lv.35.

But there's still room for improvements. For example, this doc from /u/FFXIV_Machinist makes you choose your recruits via their names... but that doesn't serve any purpose since you can change the class of your recruits, meaning that the link between the name of a recruit and its class isn't set in stone. Another thing is that toggling recruits in and out quickly isn't possible on that doc, you have to go down each dropdown list.

And I'm pretty sure that sooner than later we'll see real "squadron solvers" where you put all your raw stats and the tool tells you what's the best combination.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

There's nothing more to discuss. You get the rank when you do the lvl 40 mission.

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If you'd have bothered to read the thread, you'd have noticed that the discussion is obviously not solely about unlocking the rank.

There is much left to discuss, but you're certainly free to go.