Reminder On What Was Actually Said Regarding PS3 Support After 3.0

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Originally Posted by Centershock

I've never had GameStop persuade me to pay $50 for their 'service coverage'.

Back to the point, I hope they wouldn't support PS3 for 4.0. It's an aged system at this point.

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You must have better gamestop employees in your area, here they always try to sell some form of extended warranty since the refurbs have a limited warranty at purchase.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Honestly if the reason you aren't upgrading is because the ps4 doesn't have any good games, then that is complete bs. I mean ff15 drops in november and there are plenty of games already out with extremely high ratings.

If your not due to financial reasons, a refurbished ps4 cost 175 at gamestop. It will be even cheaper once the pro is released

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Don't forget the cost of the TV for those who are using an old one. If they aren't upgrading to PS4 yet, there's a good chance they haven't upgraded their TV.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Honestly if the reason you aren't upgrading is because the ps4 doesn't have any good games, then that is complete bs. I mean ff15 drops in november and there are plenty of games already out with extremely high ratings.

If your not due to financial reasons, a refurbished ps4 cost 175 at gamestop. It will be even cheaper once the pro is released

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no, there are not games for me (not counting ports of old games) and I am not interested in FF XV, it seems to be like a boring open world game and the combat is also not for my taste.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

no, there are not games for me (not counting ports of old games) and I am not interested in FF XV, it seems to be like a boring open world game and the combat is also not for my taste.

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So why not play on pc if Playstation games don't interest you?

HDMI port TV have been out for 10+ years now. I doubt a TV upgrade is the main reason

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Originally Posted by Derio

HDMI port TV have been out for 10+ years now. I doubt a TV upgrade is the main reason

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You underestimate poverty.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Don't forget the cost of the TV for those who are using an old one. If they aren't upgrading to PS4 yet, there's a good chance they haven't upgraded their TV.

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The cost of an HDMI to AV converter is $20 or less.

It doesn't really matter what they say sadly.

They told us we were getting new egi's...see how that turned out? >.>

They said personal housing will be 100% separated from FC housing and "far more affordable" ...and we see how that turned out lol

I don't believe anything or bother reading what they say anymore..you know what I read? The patch notes...because that is the only thing that holds true sadly. This isn't 1.0 days anymore...

They would be dumb to keep up with PS3 support. It's holding so many things back in the game.

Frankly, I don't see how people can even play it on the PS3. I had to for about two weeks when my graphics card was shot and it was the most horrible experience. It's like playing in PP mode lol.

they may or may not have changed their views on this as it has been a little while since we heard anything about it. the pros of dropping PS3 would have to outweigh the cons. SE knows that if they drop PS3 they "potentially" lose a part of their player base forever meaning less profit. (big quotes on potentially) I doubt SE will drop PS3 for a few QoL changes. that being said, I do expect to see some improvements after some time has passed since it was dropped. so should it be dropped? yes eventually. doing it at the launch of an expansion would be best.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

They would be dumb to keep up with PS3 support. It's holding so many things back in the game.

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Only subtle things to my knowledge have ever distinctly been called out as a PS3 limitation, TP specifically. One can't say definitively that it's holding us back, when we don't know what's in store for the future. Most of the reason I posted this was for comments like this. There's just too many unknowns, and not a whole lot has been said about it. PS3 may not hold 4.0+ back for all we know - it's just pure speculation.

EDIT: I'm not defending PS3, I'm just trying to be a voice of reason.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You underestimate poverty.

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In that case, people probably have bigger things to worry about than a TV or upgrading game consoles.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

Only subtle things to my knowledge have ever distinctly been called out as a PS3 limitation, TP specifically. One can't say definitively that it's holding us back, when we don't know what's in store for the future. Most of the reason I posted this was for comments like this. There's just too many unknowns, and not a whole lot has been said about it. PS3 may not hold 4.0+ back for all we know - it's just pure speculation.

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If PS3 support is maintained for 4.0 and beyond then we can basically guarantee that ain't shit gonna change in the game. That fact right there promises the PS3 won't hold us back any further than it already is. We can't have open world anything because of PS3. If people haven't upgraded from a PS3 at this point, then perhaps they need to reevaluate their priorities with where their money is going. Sorry, not sorry, that your decade old tech can't keep up with the times. It's not supposed to. Your equipment has outlived its intended purpose, and keeping a machine on life support just so you can enjoy your 30FPS 720p is disgusting. 8K is right around the corner.

Yoshi said it. They'll support it for as long as people are playing on it. Sounds like we need to direct the irritation that the game is still designed for toasters not at the developers any longer, but instead at the ones we find still using the toasters. Hell, you can get a pretty decent laptop for the same price as a PS4 that's got twice the computational power. Exactly zero excuse why, by this time, you couldn't have set your allowance aside and have saved enough for that upgrade.

inb4 all the delicious tears of toaster-wielders!

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

In that case, people probably have bigger things to worry about than a TV or upgrading game consoles.

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Or keeping up a subscription to an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

In that case, people probably have bigger things to worry about than a TV or upgrading game consoles.

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Worrying about things isn't going to change anything. Or are you suggesting that people who don't have much money shouldn't be able to enjoy things?

While I am all for dropping PS3 support, unfortunately Japan can be a slow changing country and the PS4 pretty much flopped there. I am bettering they are holding their breath to see how the PS4 PRO does before they make a decision.

As for money, 2 years ago I struggled to upgrade my 5 years old laptop and had to take a loan that I am still paying back. Unfortunately, hardware gets outdated and replacing it can be a real issue if you can just about cover your bills, food and some small extras (like an FFXIV sub). So I don't like to ride the "gosh, just UPGRADE" train. However, when the time comes when I actively can't play a game properly anymore with my outdated hardware, I either bite the bullet and upgrade or simply do not play that game.

However, PS4s are getting seriously cheap. We recently had an offer in one of our huge media store chains offering 2 PS4s for 300€. Group up with someone and it's 150€ + a new set of FFXIV games, which are constantly on sale as well. If you can't get that amount of money in the next year until the expansion (with things getting even cheaper), I REALLY think keeping an MMO sub should be the least of your worries.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Worrying about things isn't going to change anything. Or are you suggesting that people who don't have much money shouldn't be able to enjoy things?

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When I was growing up broke AF, I enjoyed a great many things that didn't involve funneling money into something I couldn't afford. It wasn't until I was out of high school for a few years that I was able to afford my first computer. It was a Dell E1505 with a whopping 512MB RAM. We all have our own humble beginnings, but people don't need to enjoy things they can't truly afford simply because they exist. Sometimes you have to do that thing called adult. If we're talking about kids here, then where are the parents?

Drop the PS3, pick up the Xbox One, and move onward. Whatever amount of leftover PS3 players there are right now, sorry but we are almost into 2017. It's seriously time for them to either upgrade or say sayonara.

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Originally Posted by Klamor

Sorry, not sorry, that your decade old tech can't keep up with the times. It's not supposed to. Your equipment has outlived its intended purpose, and keeping a machine on life support just so you can enjoy your 30FPS 720p is disgusting.

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Except that FF XIV on the PS3 is "keeping up" just fine (as the game is now). Sure it struggles when there's things with lots of players (like hunts), but as long as the game supports it, they don't have much of a problem/reason to have to upgrade.

I play on PC myself and although I've added a PS3 licence to my account, it just felt so clunky I've never played more than about 5 minutes on it so I don't really know how people can play on it... but for those players that are, if they're "happy" with how it performs, if they don't really have a reason to upgrade and it's going to be less of a concern to them.

If/when SE drop support for PS3 with one of the expansions (be it 4.0 or 5.0) then then that'll give those players a reason to consider upgrading, but I don't expect massive changes over night either as it's likely that 2.0 and 3.0 would still be supported for years (based on how SE handled PS2 support for XI)

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Originally Posted by Klamor

When I was growing up broke AF, I enjoyed a great many things that didn't involve funneling money into something I couldn't afford. It wasn't until I was out of high school for a few years that I was able to afford my first computer. It was a Dell E1505 with a whopping 512MB RAM. We all have our own humble beginnings, but people don't need to enjoy things they can't truly afford simply because they exist. Sometimes you have to do that thing called adult. If we're talking about kids here, then where are the parents?

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There was a guy I knew in my FFXI days who confided in me once. He told me that he'd made some poor life decisions early on, and was now in a situation in which he needed to work two menial jobs just to stay solvent, with no real prospects he could see to get himself out of the hole he'd dug himself into. He had a limited amount of money to spend each month on recreation - and what he really loved doing was playing FFXI.

Is that truly a childish attitude to have? Maybe. I don't know. Regardless, it's just one example of an individual who would need to think long and hard before investing in an upgrade. I'd imagine there are plenty of folks who'd get that thousand-yard stare once the announcement came out that they'd need to shell out a couple hundred bucks or stop playing.

It's also important to realize that a lot of folks DON'T have their own humble beginnings. A strong portion of the playerbase comes from middle- and upper-class individuals who never really wanted for anything. I'm one such individual; while my family was not rich by any means, we never had to deal with crushing debt or anything along those lines. I try to stay cognizant of just how incredibly lucky I am not to have had to deal with those kinds of problems, and never just assume that "a few hundred bucks" should be a small price to pay for something.

One factor to consider, too, is that if individuals have the means to easily upgrade to PS4, they probably would. I played on PS3 for a while, and it was, indeed, pretty miserable. Load times were awful, FATE monsters were invisible and untargetable, and larger monsters moved like old-time stop-motion animation - it was such a breath of fresh air when I moved to PS4! SE doubtless has the means to detect how many players are still playing on PS3, and my guess is that the bulk of those individuals are folks who are either reluctant to or outright can't afford to upgrade. SE has a pretty good idea of just how many subs they will lose, and until the balance of subs lost vs PS3 development costs swings in their favor, nothing will change.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I try to stay cognizant of just how incredibly lucky I am not to have had to deal with those kinds of problems[...]

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Lucky indeed when you look at the wealth distribution in countries like, say, the United States. Almost 20!!!% of households there have a negative net wealth due to debt. And thanks to inheritance of debt and wealth alike, you got about a one in five chance to be fucked over and born into such a household with but a tiny chance at a future.
And that's just the worst of the worst that likely couldn't even afford a PS3, let alone a sub. More likely we're talking about the bottom 60% that cumulatively at least own under 5% of the total wealth and can afford things such as toothbrushes, train tickets and small scale entertainment like an old console.

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Originally Posted by Derio

So why not play on pc if Playstation games don't interest you?

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well number 1 reason is because I am too lazy to learn how to use pc, I only know how to search...ummm stuff in the web, also I was busy playing games on consoles before current gen.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

You must have better gamestop employees in your area, here they always try to sell some form of extended warranty since the refurbs have a limited warranty at purchase.

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They ask if I want warranty and I say no. Discussion ends there. Swipe card, get receipt and leave.

As for loading times, they went away once I put in a SSD.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

if individuals have the means to easily upgrade to PS4, they probably would.

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Only if they have a compelling reason to. PS3 supports a whole lot more games than PS4 does (roughly ten times as many). Of course, the PS4 offerings are improving as more come out, and it's developing a pretty decent start at a good library of available games, but since it dropped backward compatibility it's not likely to ever catch up to its predecessor. You simply can't do as much with a PS4 as you can with a PS3.

People who can easily afford to upgrade will add the new platform once a game they really really want to play requires it, or once there a lot of games they'd like to try that all require it. While the price of the console is coming down, if there are only one or two games you'd use it for, it's still enough to turn those into really expensive games. Even someone who can afford it might decide that cost doesn't make sense for them.

So while SE does know which platforms people are playing from, they don't know how important the game is to those players. Some of them might decide to upgrade to PS4 if FFXIV dropped PS3 support and they'd need the PS4 to access the next expansion. But there would probably also be some who either can't afford it or simply decide that FFXIV isn't important enough to them to add the cost of a console to its normal costs. So SE doesn't really know how many of those subs they'd lose. From a business perspective, when they have to weigh the costs of such a decision, it makes sense for them to take a rather conservative view and assume they'd be losing most of them.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

well number 1 reason is because I am too lazy to learn how to use pc, I only know how to search...ummm stuff in the web, also I was busy playing games on consoles before current gen.

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Playing on PC isn't that hard. You can customize the controls and keybinds to your liking and you can even play the PC version with a controller if you wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

And thanks to inheritance of debt and wealth alike, you got about a one in five chance to be fucked over and born into such a household with but a tiny chance at a future.

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Just as a matter of note, while I'm not sure how it works in other countries, I'm pretty certain that in the United States, debts are not inherited by children unless the children explicitly co-signed on the debt (for example, a father and his adult son buying a fishing boat together). Creditors do have the option of trying to reclaim their losses by making a claim against the deceased parent's estate which, if successful, could involve liquidating assets that the parents had planned on leaving to their family. But the debts are not passed directly on to the children, even if the total value of the estate is not enough to pay off the debt.

Of course, if the debts are, say, to the mafia, or some other shady organization not covered by federal law, all bets are off...

Update: Main thread updated with 3.4 patch notes Playstation 3 callouts. Added a personal note to the 3.4 (edit) section.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Don't forget the cost of the TV for those who are using an old one. If they aren't upgrading to PS4 yet, there's a good chance they haven't upgraded their TV.

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I doubt anybody have not a HD TV yet. So you only need a new TV if you want to play in 4K. To play with a normal PS4 a normal HD TV with HDMI input is all what you need.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

Updated findings from the 3.4 patch notes. Playstation 3 limitations are implied; patch notes are clear on the below topics:

a) The Clock Type setting under the HUD tab of UI settings in the Character Configuration interface has been adjusted. (Windows/Mac/PlayStation®4) [Note: No Playstation 3]
b) The W cross hotbar will display eight additional hotbar slots corresponding to the game pad face buttons and directional buttons. * This option is not available for the PlayStation®3 version.
c) The name of duties you have registered for will now be displayed in the duty list. (Windows/Mac/PlayStation®4) * For PlayStation®3 users, the names of duties will be displayed via a tool tip when selecting the duty list.
d) PvP settings do not appear to show Playstation 3 as a system for changing

**Personal note: This is, IMO, the clearest indicator thus far of Playstation 3 support being at risk. The only reason I say this is due to Playstation 3 options being reduced or eliminated that affect QoL. Clock settings are a manageable adjustment, but the W cross hotbar is an actual QoL implementation that Playstation 3 users will be without.

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There have been other QoL differences for a long time. (PS3 doesn't support straight hotbars. It doesn't have some of the HUD elements. It removes the quest tracker when you're in a FATE area. And so on.)

Plus, according to the notes, the W cross hotbar is supported on all platforms, but is only half sized on PS3, where it's limited to four extra buttons for each side (8 total) rather than an option of that or 8 buttons for each (16 total). That one's a significant difference, but no more so than a couple of the existing differences. The other new differences seem fairly trivial.

(And I'm not certain what you're referring to about the PvP settings. We get to set different options for the WXHB in PvE and PvP, but the available options appear the same for either, with just the 4 slot version supported on PS3 and the selectable 4 or 8 versions on anything else.)

Im playing that game on PS3 till the support ends <,< And I hope it NEVER ends! Charackters looks terrible thin, UNattractive on PS4... no Screensize option too... (but PC have it)

ALL my other PS4 games there people look normal proportioned! Why not in FF14(PS4) too...?
I played that game like 10mins on my PS4 and was like "ew... so thin... like hungry Models"(I dislike super thin models) and continued on my ps3, because of option screen "4:3" on a 16:9 TV everyone looks way more normal weight!
I dont care if the graphics are super duper nice!

If they ever drop PS3 support I'll quit the sub/game too <.<

I hope tey will drop ps3 and ps4 support for ps4 pro, xbox scorpio and PC.

Yeah to hire GM XD

With PC and PS4 and PS4 Pro coming November, i agree PS3 support i would hope should be dropped by 4.0

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Originally Posted by Minas-tepes

I hope tey will drop ps3 and ps4 support for ps4 pro, xbox scorpio and PC.

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Your kidding right?
Still only reason xbox players cannot play FFXIV is because of Micro$oft themselves
PS4 (non Pro version) can be a platform to run FFXIV for years

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Originally Posted by Maero

With PC and PS4 and PS4 Pro coming November, i agree PS3 support i would hope should be dropped by 4.0



Your kidding right?
Still only reason xbox players cannot play FFXIV is because of Micro$oft themselves
PS4 (non Pro version) can be a platform to run FFXIV for years

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Not anymore. MS already dropped the barrier that not allow Xbox Live to play with other systems.

There is a good chance that FFXIV is coming do Xbox One in a near future.

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Originally Posted by AngelyLowell

Not anymore. MS already dropped the barrier that not allow Xbox Live to play with other systems.

There is a good chance that FFXIV is coming do Xbox One in a near future.

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This is false as DCUO was open to the idea but Microsoft said no. Now Dcuo players on Xbox play on their own server and have to pay for xbl on top of a MMO subscription for DCUO.

I feel like this thread contains the voices of the people who live in the modern kids bubble. What if there are really some unfortunate people who love the game and they have been playing for years with a PS3? In fact, across all the datacenter, there is probably still a good chunk of such players who still actively play until this very day.

I'm just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

Updated findings from the 3.4 patch notes. Playstation 3 limitations are implied; patch notes are clear on the below topics:

b) The W cross hotbar will display eight additional hotbar slots corresponding to the game pad face buttons and directional buttons. * This option is not available for the PlayStation®3 version.

*Personal note: This is, IMO, the clearest indicator thus far of Playstation 3 support being at risk. The only reason I say this is due to Playstation 3 options being reduced or eliminated that affect QoL. Clock settings are a manageable adjustment, but the W cross hotbar is an actual QoL implementation that Playstation 3 users will be without.

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Actually, it's only the 8 button version that the ps3 does not get.

They can still use the 4 button version.
So they're not totally without.

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Originally Posted by Reinth

I feel like this thread contains the voices of the people who live in the modern kids bubble. What if there are really some unfortunate people who love the game and they have been playing for years with a PS3? In fact, across all the datacenter, there is probably still a good chunk of such players who still actively play until this very day.

I'm just sayin'.

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So all they have is a 10 years old consolde and can't switch to PS4 or PC but they can afford internet and a recurring MMO subscribtion. Seems legit.

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Originally Posted by Reinth

I feel like this thread contains the voices of the people who live in the modern kids bubble. What if there are really some unfortunate people who love the game and they have been playing for years with a PS3? In fact, across all the datacenter, there is probably still a good chunk of such players who still actively play until this very day.

I'm just sayin'.

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MMO's that are built with a console in mind can't also stop developing just because older technology is holding it back. FFXI was a prime example of people leaving and getting fed up with "sorry we can't do this due to ps2 limitations". Sometimes I have a look back at 11 updates lately and I see QoL additions that players have been wanting for years finally being added.

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Actually, it's only the 8 button version that the ps3 does not get.

They can still use the 4 button version.
So they're not totally without.

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This wont be the first and last time that UI elements etc will be unavailable for PS3. It starts like this with UI stuff then it becomes we can't add this feature due to PS3. Saying that Yoshi has already said it a couple of times in recent interviews.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

MMO's that are built with a console in mind can't also stop developing just because older technology is holding it back. FFXI was a prime example of people leaving and getting fed up with "sorry we can't do this due to ps2 limitations". Sometimes I have a look back at 11 updates lately and I see QoL additions that players have been wanting for years finally being added.

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People didn't leave FFXI because of so-called "PS2 limitations". People left because the game was OLD, and had an older mmo's sensibilities. Everything in FFXI was a grind, you required parties to do even basic content... None of that will fly in today's gaming world - or, at least, not beyond a very niche audience (which is why the game still has subscribers at all). FFXI was a great game for its time, and while SE has done a lot to take the edge off of the more difficult aspects of the game, there's only so much you can do to shore up an aging game.

As for this game, even when they drop PS3 support, don't expect a torrent of upgrades to follow. PS3 is just one older system that SE supports - there's also the PC gaming market that it is chained to. "PC gaming market" doesn't just mean bleeding-edge water-cooled gaming-dedicated monster machines - it also includes PCs more than ten years old that players without the means to frequently upgrade use. Even players that do upgrade their machines regularly don't necessarily purchase top-notch graphics cards and other peripherals. SE wants to maintain as large a share of the PC market that they can, and they likely stand to lose a lot more customers by trying to stay cutting edge than they do by catering to the low-end machines.