I didn't dismiss his argument. All content in general has a method to winning, once that's figured out... it's cake mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakiamiie
Although it's funny, despite tons of posts about Ifrit and what to do... people still haven't beaten it, people still wipe all the time, people are still doing it.
Co-Op Dungeons (for DoW/DoM and DoL)
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11-11-2011, 03:37 AMRemVye
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11-11-2011, 03:45 AMEstellios
Having to switch between DoW/DoM for fighting and DoL within a dungeon is kinda dumb. If you're not forced into DoL for the entire run the dungeon just might as well be for DoW/DoM only and cut out the bs involved in switching to a class in order to craft a key that could just drop from an enemy or gather an item that could just drop from an enemy.
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11-11-2011, 03:45 AMRemVye/agreeQuote:
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11-11-2011, 03:47 AMNakiamiieI don't yet have sentinel for Hellfire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manafont
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11-11-2011, 03:50 AMRemVyeYou don't need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakiamiie
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11-11-2011, 03:57 AMGrissit just REALLY helps.Quote:
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11-11-2011, 03:57 AMEstelliosYou can try to get~ 2400ish HP minimum without food/party buffs, it should give you enough with those buffs to survive Hellfire. I don't have Hellfire and my CNJ survives it as long as my HP is full, I have 2600ish normally and 3k with food and party buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakiamiie
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11-11-2011, 04:04 AMNakiamiieI know that, but as an archer with only Defender and Rampart, it is rather difficult. The point is, the safe spots makes the rest of the fight easier (which is a good a thing from a casual point of view).Quote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
Of course that would happen to in a mixed dungeon. Almost impossible synthesis that most people fail (Hellfire) and puzzle parts solved before even entering the dungeon (safe spots). It will happen no matter type of dungeon.
Still, I don't see it as a valid reason to dismiss mixed (or DoH/L) dungeons.
I understand it would not be the cup of tea of everyone, just like many other features.
But the reasons Yoshi-P stated are not really problems, it only seems like they haven't fully explored the question yet (proof of that is that he speaks as if people were stuck with a single class, it's not the case. Even players with main class as DoL or DoH also have battle classes).
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11-11-2011, 04:07 AMReinheart
I'm one of those that supported dungeon ideas like this one, still would like to see if its possible. YoshiP said might try one so I don't see nothing wrong in people giving ideas for it. Might not happen for a loooong time though.
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11-11-2011, 04:08 AMRubicon
Why don't we just wait for more in-depth and engaging raid content so we can have more content instead of convoluting the existing content.
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11-11-2011, 04:14 AMEstelliosIt would be nice to have stuff like this, yes, but you do have to keep in mind what I said about adding unnecessary fluff that would just bog everything down. Maybe once the new MP/TP/ability systems are in place for DoH/DoL it might be easier to envision something. Like Reinheart said, they haven't completely scrapped the idea but would need to figure out a meaningful and fun way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakiamiie
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11-11-2011, 04:20 AMNakiamiieIt's ok, it doesn't have to be for 1.21. But some time in the year 2.0 come out would be nice. (By the then DoH/L should we revamped)Quote:
Originally Posted by Estellios
I don't really have a time limit for this, what bugs me is the idea of dismissing it completely whatever the time frame is.