Forced story for sure. Most new players want to get into battle content and then discover it's gated behind hundreds of hours of story. After that, you've got the playerbase. There's way too many players who resent the idea of new players skipping old irrelevant content. I've yet to see a rational reason given.
What most turns new players off from FFXIV?
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08-14-2016, 01:26 AMGardthorne
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08-14-2016, 01:29 AMLaylaTsarraCare to post a link to support this? Perhaps you might want to speak for yourself and not for most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardthorne
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08-14-2016, 01:34 AMXiomara
While the story and the combat (2.5 GCD is perfect for me!) are the main reasons why I play this game, I introduced a couple of friends and the story gating was their main complaint, especially as I was doing the end game HW content, and they were slogging through the 2.0 MSQ.
If 4.0 still requires you to complete 2.0 at a minimum then they are gonna have to condense the 2.0 story by shunting the filler quests off to the side. Stuff like the pre Titan feast can easily be a sidequest chain. Also including a special teleport to the Waking Sands would be a massive improvement. -
08-14-2016, 01:36 AMNuna
Not sure. But my friend's complaints were that the battles feel heavily turn based and slow. They came from Guild Wars 2 though, which I never played.
This too! My bf only plays mmos to play with me and having to do the story alone was irritating for him at first. There's no reason we can't duo or do the story in a party. I don't think they'd have to change the cut scenes or acknowledge the other players at all.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 01:37 AMGardthorne1500 players across three FCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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08-14-2016, 01:40 AMLaylaTsarraPost a link with evidence. You have a documented survey? Your post is meaningless. I have 20,000 players across 3 servers to support my claims that the story is the best part of it. See how that works? I win!Quote:
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08-14-2016, 04:27 AMKosmos992kBut you can do FATE, levequests and dungeons in a party, along with treasure maps, and guild hests. The non dungeon/trial MSQ events are solo, but you can still run them along side others. There are relatively few pieces of content that force solo play. GC quests should allow (IMHO) up to a light party from the same GC to run the quests together, unfortunately they are one piece of content that does force solo play. Crafting and gathering are set up for player cooperation, not exactly party play, but still group oriented.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 04:58 AMKosmos992k
One thing that always seems to come up in these discussions is the 2.5 GCD, given the relatively short time to level any class past 15 - try starting an alt and see how much time it takes you to get all combat and crafting classes past level 10, it will surprise you how little time it takes, and crafting isbcheap when the guild vendors sell everything you need. Level 15 in one or two classes is a small additional time, and by then you have enough skills to be doing more than mashing one button and you start getting into dungeons. Your gear will be developing by then and as you continue to level, more skills are added and the complexity of content ramps up requiring more attention.
At the same time your skill speed/spell speedare increasing and marginally reducing you GCD. Honestly by th time you are about level 40, it's not 2.5 seconds any more, and that time rapidly feels even shorter due to maintaining position, dodging, target switching, maintaining aggro, picking up adds, healing and status buffs/debuffs. It also provides enough time to switch targets before casting. After level 50 unless you thoroughly overgear content the pace feels far faster than the base 2.5 second GCD would suggest. Honestly, the complaints of slow play are overblown from the start, and anyone that thinks lvl 50+ content has slow combat probably prefers action games or is even more ADD than I am.
Also, as Yoshi has said before, the first 50 levels are in essense an extended tutorial for the game.
On the topic of what turns off people in general, I have to say, sadly, that it's people, or the community. Too many people act in ways that would never be tolerated in the real world. I was watching something last night and something was said that I think sums this up;
Emphasis is mine. All too often people treat others like an NPC, or worse, and they don't care about the consequences because "it's just a game." Wrong! It's real people, it's not just a game, real people are behind every character, real friendships form or fade every day, real hurt is handed out every day, it matters. How we behave matters. Any MMORPG community is only as good as it's members. The things that turn people off any multi-player game are many and varied, but how other players treat them, how other players act, the tone of the community is a bigger factor than any of it IMHO.Quote:
In the end, it's just a game, so do what you want. If you want to kill someone, kill them. If you want to steal, you steal. I've met more people who think that way than I'd want. In a way, it's true. I used to think the same way. But it's not true... There are things you have to protect especially becuase it's a virtual world. I learned that from someone important. If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and the character are one and the same.
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08-14-2016, 05:33 AMFreyyyWith SkS you go from 2.5 to maybe 2.4/2.3 sec, which is still REALLY REALLY slow. MNK/NIN get between 2.1 and 2.0 GCD and can get up to 1.9 if they have a SkS bloat (which is detrimental at this point because of TP-starving), and it's still slow. And for everything you listed after that, it doesn't make the gameplay feel faster nor harder in any way, shape or form. It just makes you do multiple things at once, which isn't really hard with a slow and very forgiving gameplay. I think that you're not really used to what faster paced games are and feel like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
As I said before: the game only starts to get a bit faster (but is still in the slow-paced category amongst other games) at level 50+, and it IS too late. Most players who are bored with the slow gameplay during the first few hours (level 1 to ~20 on your very first class while discovering the game) will leave before reaching that level and it's sad because even tho it's still slow, the combat gets a lot more interesting from level 40-50 onwards. Let's also not forget that the 2 weeks free trial only lasts until level 30 or 35, so someone who will want to try the game out for free before deciding if he wants to buy it and pay a subscription or not won't even get a small glimpse of what the gameplay really feels like at end-game and that's a problem. What they'll see is just a boring questing with a boring and slow battle system during the first 30 levels or so, and unless someone tells them, they won't know that it gets better at end-game, so they'll most likely stop playing. -
08-14-2016, 05:41 AMKosmos992kYour opinion, not mine. I think the game is plent fast enough as, it's not an action game. If that is the thing you want, this isn't that game. The point I was making is that there is plenty to keep up with after level 50, so the GCD is not, and should not be considerd 'slow'. Unless you have a need for twitch mechanics, which most certainly do not belong in FFXIV. You acknowledge that there is a lot going on but still focus on the GCD as if nothing else was happening.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 05:48 AMbass9020Its meant to not be a super fast paced game. This isn't every other game. If people can't hold there attention because they can't click the keys faster that is there own issue with the game. Personally the GCD is a stupid mechanic for a FF game anyway :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyyy
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08-14-2016, 05:49 AMYeol
I'll speak for myself. The only thing that turned me off was doing dugeons as part of the story (Only the first ones though) I got used to it after 4-5 dungeons. I loved the MSQ and enjoyed doing it (My friends advice was to follow MSQ). I believe not knowing what was waiting for me is the thing that kept me going. If I unclocked anything that I had issue understanding I'll ask my friends and FC. I understand how some people find it annoying to hide certain features behind MSQ, espicaly if they are doing everything all over again on their alts. But new players should be enjoying the stroy no? something they haven't seen before? Unless they want to catch up ASAP to the current content and raid. But if lets say.. there was a way to skip the MSQ to get to current raid and content. That player will have way less experiance on his job and how to play it. We already see many people lacking at playing their jobs and yet still people want to reach max level and latest content easily.
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08-14-2016, 06:30 AMSandpark
Leveling up to 1-20 and 50-60 needs to be faster it feels slow to get out of the boring entry and slow to reach max level.
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08-14-2016, 06:35 AMbass9020Getting your mount is tied to the GC which is tied to the MSQ. You can rent/port until then its really not issue. They could make getting a GC more of a side story that you can do but its also tied to the Ifrit storyline.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 07:33 AMHeart-of-Asia
Forced dungeoning. I hated they gated the MSQ behind dungeons.
The lack of communication. People really don't like to talk at all.
And I know commendations don't effect anything but I hate I barely get any on my DPS but on my WHM they get thrown at me. -
08-14-2016, 07:44 AMCakekizyy
Slow leveling whedn you run out of quests.
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08-14-2016, 07:49 AMFreyyyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
Yes, I know that, and I'm still playing this game after nearly 3 years. My point was simply stating that it IS something that obviously turns a lot of new players off before they can even get a glimpse of what the game is really like at end-game. I was solely speaking about early levels (1 to 40-50), I think that the end-game is fine. The slower-paced gameplay is compensated by interesting mechanics and boss fights, but new players just can't know that without someone actually TELLING them, so a lot of them will stop playing after reaching level 20-30, assuming that the game will always be like that, and it's a completely normal reaction. New players shouldn't be expected to continue playing a boring game until end-game just to discover that it's actually interesting. It should be interesting during the first few hours of gameplay, which isn't the case with FFXIV. I know a lot of current active players who were really bored during the whole levelling experience but kept playing because they had friends doing end-game who were telling them "get to max level and you'll see that the gameplay will be much better !", and that's just bad. They still play today and enjoy the end-game content like they expected, but it's bad that if someone didn't tell them that end-game was better, they would just have stopped playing before even reaching level 30. It's a game that can potentially satisfy quite a lot of players but the game just fails to grab said potential players' attention just because of the poor levelling experience which gives you a bad feeling about the general combat gameplay.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 08:04 AMJatoi
Another point and even some personal experience on the matter:
Yes, that grind which starts at level 50 that people keep mentioning. THAT there is a huge problem, regardless of EXP you'd earn.
Someone close to me took their tank to 50 and they were a damned good tank. They enjoyed things until the 2.5 story and actually quit because of it. The grind, regardless of how much EXP it'd bring completely made him lose interest because it was so long. Because of this, a good tank was lost and he won't be the first or the last.
"But story!"
One of the key things in proper storytelling is to condense it so the reader/player doesn't lose interest and they're motivated in progressing to the next chapter. Wouldn't it be preferable to make it so a person goes "This is great, I can't wait to see what happens next!" instead of "This is taking too long, I don't like this anymore."? -
08-14-2016, 08:59 AMAylisDeffo agreed. A sense of urgency in a story is important to keep the pace going which keeps players engaged and interested in seeing what unfolds next. Its when that sense of urgency is stalled or padded down is when some quickly lose interest.Quote:
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Player: *Excited after their last encounter runs to the one person in the world that knows all about the Ascions they just met!*
NPC: Ahoy! So you'd like to learn more about the Ascions that visited you? Well I know all about them! First, I'm thirsty and need me tea. Go gather three tea leaves from across the zone that you'll have to run to!
Player: *goes and gathers the leaves*
Npc: Oy! You're back! My these leaves are fragrant! Alas after your departure I broke my best tea spoon! We can't talk Ascions without tea can we?? Go and gather a block of wood from the other side of the map for me spoon!
Player: *goes and gathers the wood*
NPC: My what a stunning block of wood! If you'd kindly take it to the carpenters guild in Gridania to have it made into my spoon. We can talk!
Player: *Trudges across the world confusingly carrying a block of wood*
Carpernter: So its a spoon you want ey? Well its a shame for you were all out of tree sap! Go forth and slay three Treants for the sap!
Player *begins to hate life as they go out and slay Treants for sap*
Carpenter: Your spoon is made! May it bring you never ending spoony goodness for all your needs!
Player *Returns to NPC*
NPC: MY SPOON!!!! Let me show you a five minute cut scene of me making and drinking my tea that has nothing at all to do with the Ascions, but you won't skip it juuuuust in case if it does all while you sit awkwardly at the table!!
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NPC: That sure was a long day wasn't it? Hm? Oh right Ascions! It was a long day so if you'll be a dear and go out and preen my five chocobos outside while I take me nap, we can get to talking!
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08-14-2016, 09:02 AMLokierhttp://i.imgur.com/7xmc9ki.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Heart-of-Asia
My face when my dps recieves commendations, lmao.
Then again, can't help making this face when I pretty much carry an entire dungeon group and don't get any at all;
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08-14-2016, 09:30 AMShurrikhanThere's a lot of good to be said about the 2.5 GCD; the longer timer allows for positioning that many lock-on Monks otherwise would not be capable of with a jiggly tank or mob crowding/repositioning (granted, they'd be fine if they turned that off and just, awkwardly, stood in the center of the large mob for smaller travel distances despite a moving back/flank line; and the ability to double-weave allows for dynamics of explosive pace in opening burst and certain procs, that can to some be more satisfying even than a massively reduced GCD. The biggest issue is probably just how long it takes to reach that variation in pace (or, also, any semblance of a complete rotational toolkit) throughout the leveling process and how above-average latency due to below average server location quantity can end up removing either of those bonuses and end-cap. (I get around 98-132 ms latency here with WTFast, 18-23 on WoW, 27-42 on B&S, 25-38 on GW2, and so forth; as a Californian, the Quebec NA server is only 16% lower ping than the JP server.)Quote:
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Ultimately, the GCD itself only causes the first of the issues, and that issue can be mitigated by changes to leveling or leveling speed instead, but if its slowness is being used to counter issues of latency, or if latency and the animation lengths are the excuse for the system then it's already assuming that a fair number of people won't be fully able to take advantage of double-weaves, the one unique thing it offers. At that point, why not just:
- Use a shorter GCD – e.g. 2 seconds, with weaponskill potencies and buff/debuff durations reduced by 20%; most spells, especially offensive ones, are accelerated by .5 seconds and their potencies scaled to match.
- Improve oGCD "stacking" – Rather than completing the animation, including the return to resting position, queued "physical" (those causing damage) oGCDs will launch from any of certain extended states within the previous animation as to look more appropriately quick, efficient, and natural, while "non-physical" oGCD, e.g. buffs may have their animations absorbed into the previous or queued following oGCD wherein they merely accent the other's movement and apply particle effects. This hastening is already true of many animations, but looks janky on others and would otherwise create further loss of animation quality or uptime on double-weaves. Only a few oGCDs such as Internal Release may need their animations simplified (e.g. into a less ridiculous Spear Twirl, bow ready, or preparative fist turn similar to True Strike's) to be more naturally clipped or absorbed.
- Scale animation durations to the GCD, starting from the adjusted base GCD – thereby also removing the point at which non-clipping double or single weaves become impossible with increased Skill Speed.
- Adjust and accelerate certain oGCD animation locks, with priority on filler oGCDs like Bloodletter or weaponskills used to make room for those oGCDs like Feint; the activation times and animation locks of stances like Fists of Fire, Wind, and Earth; rotational or augmenting oGCDs like Transpose, Sharpcast, Surecast, and Swiftcast; movement abilities like Plunge, Shukuchi, and Aetherial Manipulation; and especially the notoriously long-anilocked Potions.
- Allow adjustive movement during movement oGCDs – Allow Jump to adjust its return course, Spineshatter and Dragonfire Dive to adjust where you land around the target after striking the center of its hitbox; Aetherial Manipulation to allow you to continue moving through the target ally to any edge of choosing of his or her hitbox; Shoulder Tackle to allow you to adjust or slide left or right along the target's hitbox during the charge; and any of these to grant a very short hidden movement speed increase.
- Decrease mob turning speed and/or point at which a mob begins turning – Mobs can now turn their heads, allowing them to keep attacking a target who has moved over 5 degrees without reorienting their entire bodies; most will not bother until a certain angular variation and will turn at a speed based on that variation.
- *Have positionals take a "best of" periodic/action poll – The locator from every periodic poll is saved until the next [or next, next] periodic poll, and if your position at your next action poll was of incorrect position, it reattempt the positional through the last polled location[s], slightly reducing the chance of missing a positional based on tank waggling.*
This way, you don't turn off so many players during leveling, you can still mostly open into burst just as you used to, positionals have been eased in line with the increased pace, most oGCDs have been been smoothed out a bit as not to newly clip, movement abilities are now more effective as not to worsen well-positioned uptime, and stagger stepping actually remains the same except being 20% less, 25% more often.
At this point, I obviously already got through to endgame and any time I'd be level-synced (e.g. PotD) has as much to do with running around as attacking such that I don't really notice the low GCD at early levels or am just too well adjusted to it by now, so changes like that aren't a priority to me. But leveling an alt, early on, felt really sluggish, and I do think even a 20% reduction (25% acceleration) to the GCD could help retain a lot more of those new players, especially if alongside anything that makes it look like they're not standing idle as long.
GW2 combat, as I've experience it, feels pretty well time- or animation-locked / -paced (no GCD, just the animation locks from your skills, be they channeled, charged, casted, or instant), and the mere fact that your AAs don't go off during your other weaponskills and can be accidentally clipped before completion (e.g. they too have animation locks or cast times of a sort), etc., lends them a lot more weight, imo. You pretty well rotate through your 5 weaponskills skills, possibly saving the movement-inclusive one for a dodge (some can deal serious damage if you can stop the movement at hit the full path's worth of damage onto a single enemy), so I can't say complexity is that different (play an endgame Engi if you want rotational complexity). Beyond that I can't really inform. To me it felt pretty solid, and was the first time I've really started liking primarily ani-lock or non-GCD systems for MMOs that weren't hack&slash.Quote:
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- Use a shorter GCD – e.g. 2 seconds, with weaponskill potencies and buff/debuff durations reduced by 20%; most spells, especially offensive ones, are accelerated by .5 seconds and their potencies scaled to match.
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08-14-2016, 09:48 AMDPZ2
Please tell me that those of you who hate the 'useless quests' between level 50 ARR and HW are NOT the same people who reminisce about the requirements for running around and/or finding a group to do mid-game content as the "good old days" from that other FF MMO.
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08-14-2016, 09:53 AMJatoiIt's exactly that! I wonder how many players actually stop playing when they reach that quest line versus those who stopped before 50. The thought of seeing those results would be pretty interesting...Quote:
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There has to be a way to condense it, just remove the unnecessary fetch quests that give no padding to the story being told. And er, there's plenty. -
08-14-2016, 10:06 AMDPZ2I'm all for shortening the 100+ quest chain to something a bit more manageable. Funny thing, though, I don't remember any particularly unnecessary 'fetch' quests. I do remember the lead-up to Shiva, the Moogle troubles leading up to King Mog, the Sylph investigations of Ramuh, the bits and pieces leading to Leviathan, etc. There was that thing with Alphinaud and his Team Blue before we have to shift to Ishgard. Nope. Can't remember any specific 'unnecessary' quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jatoi
Might be better though to run folks through about 3 hours of cut-scenes to explain WHY they move on to Ishgard, and what happened after the Garleans are put in their place. Just so things make sense. Oh, and explain "how did I get to the entrance to unlock all the post-50 ARR instances I might suddenly find myself in?". -
08-14-2016, 10:09 AMSandparkYeah this is sort of what I implied by level to 20 where game starts getting good is slow and 50-60 super slow. Feels padded and extending the ugly between the goodies.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 10:16 AMbass9020If they can't take the time to do all the things that every other player has done since the very beginning then why do they deserve a special cut scene show? They don't honestly.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 10:19 AMNestamaThere's a lot of unnecessary moments within the level 20-44 area. Little Ala Mhigo was mostly "have you seen an Ascian? No? Kay bye." The quests leading to unlocking Titan were also completely unnecessary, Brayflox Longstop included. The Coerthas quests I'm fine with, since that was building trust (which paid off). The corrupted elemental crystal quests leading to unlocking Garuda were completely pointless, though. "You need to fetch this element. Wait, that won't help you. Go here." "You need to fetch this element. Wait, that won't help you. Go here." "You need to fetch this element, withstand the siren calls. I think you're ready now." (I can't remember if we had to fetch the wrong element three times or two times).Quote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
There's also a few unnecessary moments within the 2.1-2.5 quests (thankfully 3.1-3.3 fixed this). Getting tea leafs. Playing hide and seek, as well as meeting the fake adventurer (Tidus, Leviabeetus). Finding the Scions who were easily fooled by the Sylphs and of course, everything that involves Tataru. -
08-14-2016, 10:22 AMLokier
They could just slice out all the stuff we really didn't need, like... every cutscene with Minfillia in it. In fact, cut Minfilla out all together, you'll definitely see a subscrip' increase! And the cutscene you see after completing The Vault, that doesn't need to be there, we can totally pretend that didn't happen. That'll make every fangirl and fanguy very happy. (I can't say why though, because spoilers...)
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08-14-2016, 03:13 PMRyaz
I think for most players it would be the grind. Despite easing things up, FFXIV is still an extremely grind heavy game and it can be daunting for new players.
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08-14-2016, 04:00 PMShurrikhanI actually liked Minfilia in 1.x. Granted, if you started in Ulduh, you were practically her other (time-displaced) guardian when she was a kid, and that in turn opened up a mindful of Echo theory as to how she remembers someone who unwittingly stole into her resonant memories. (Don't quote me on the mechanics behind it; it's been a long time.)Quote:
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08-14-2016, 04:12 PMJatoi
( Quote isn't working for some odd reason even though I did snip it. Strange )
I used the wrong term in my tired stupor, what I meant mainly is what I recall quite clearly: Teleporting from point A to point B to speak, and a lot of it well... was actually just dialogue. The constant teleporting and going from place-to-place was what was time-consuming, especially given when we have to travel after teleporting to those points and without flight to make it go by more quickly.
It's something that clearly turns people off to the game. Maybe not to you, but that type of monotony is mind-numbing to most people. There is a proper way to condense cutscenes, the only issue is that they'd have to edit them to do so. Hell, this is the first MMO I've actually gotten seriously into and in my first playthrough felt "Wow this is a little abnormal..." ( Yeah it says I started in 2013 but I had other issues to take care of and came back when HW came out. I didn't go above level 26 all those years ago. ) As another poster noted, by level 20 things start to heat up but at level 50 it really starts to wind down ( although after 2.5's stuff I began to feel the progression begin pick up again ). The sudden shift in pacing seems jarring for those not expecting it?
Don't say in a one-thousand words what could have been said in one-hundred.
Although people will use the "I had to slog through it!" argument, why keep something that isn't efficient because you had to go through with it? I dealt with it myself ( obviously ) but how strangely inefficient this is... is bothersome.
Also, for a few examples of silly fetch quests: Find the Doman Kids, Rub Perfume on Chocobos, feed Domans too stupid to feed themselves. Just a few, and someone else I think brought up some examples too. -
08-14-2016, 05:24 PMAylisI never played XI personally, but I have been there and done that in other MMO's and no, no I don't miss those "good old days" at all lol.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 05:26 PMNekoNova
I recently returned to Final Fantasy XIV, and these are the things that annoy me the most:
- The amount of teleporting to zones and what it costs me gil wise.
- Length of certain custscenes
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08-14-2016, 10:47 PMBourne_Endeavor
An example of boring fetch quests? Next to every quest from the whole Company of Heroes storyline. You literally go on a series of them-- teleporting all over the place because some chump wants to set up a banquet, you eventually discover was for you (but not really). This lasts twenty six quests and outside of unlocking Brayflox, maybe three quests have anything remotely to do with Titan himself. Of all the quest catches in the game, this was the one I seriously considered skipping dialogue for. It's boring to the point of grating.
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08-14-2016, 11:18 PMUnderdog2204Lets not forget Garuda's series of quests for a corrupted crystal...Quote:
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08-14-2016, 11:19 PMAylisAnother one that comes to mind was that hunter storyline from Dravian Highlands, the one with the Miqo'te girl. Some of the moments that stuck out in my mind as questionable. The first being where she wanted flowers, so we'd run to talk to her, after doing so the flowers would spawn right at her feet. Um, did you really need me to run all the way over here when they were right on your feet? The other was a point where you had to again talk to her, she would walk away and vanish, then we'd talk to her a spot maybe 10 feet away, this was repeated four times. Call it a lack of dynamics thing but quests like that would be far more interesting with the npc walking the whole way while giving live speech while we follow them.Quote:
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08-14-2016, 11:38 PMDPZ2
@Aylis
The quests with the hunter you mention were to provide you with many, many opportunities to defeat monsters in the Forelands. It also gives you something to do while you are exploring the whole area looking for those aetheryte crystals to enable flight. The terrain required for those quests required all sorts of puzzle solving abilities [How do I get up there?, followed by a lot of salty language under the breath].
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08-14-2016, 11:57 PMRiardon
I for myself never quit the game and I loved it from first time.
However from people who did't like it and quit before further progressing I heard the following reasons:
-Too much teleporting due to fragmented areas. The game is optimised for weak consoles so we got really smalls zones. This led to frequent teleporting even if loading times are quite fast it's still immersion breaking for some people.
-The story takes a lot of time to become interesting. It progresses kinda slow for some people.
-The battle is slow paced. Battle pace and animations feel too slow. In other games the battle system has a way faster pace and this is more appealing for many people.
-Too much crap quests at the starting cities. It kinda confuses you to see all those exclamation marks. Most of them are crap Qs with crap rewards too. Some Qs are made just to torture the players. For example those dreaded Qs at La Noscea which require too much walking back and forth for no serious reason. The distances you need to cover at that area are also long.
-In continuation with the previous you get your first mount way later. This was unnecessary. Players could have a basic mount right from the start.
-Weak to non-existent PvP content.
-No engaging Open World content. Maps feel small (maybe because of their partition layout)
-Graphics feel old for their age. Some people I know who quited over this reason said the game felt a bit dull and old in the graphics department.
-The game just wasn't what they expected. This is natural and we can't do anything about this. -
08-14-2016, 11:58 PMAylisIn the example you gave here, not very long, but it falls sole on weither or not the quests are interesting, or if its at the point of padding. In the case of the hunter quests it all goes around the same exact area as other quests in the area have gone around. By that time all the puzzles have been solved, all the flight currants have been found and fighting the local monsters have worn thin. I'm sorry but solving the same puzzle for the 14th time only to be told to "pick the flowers at my feet" is needless padding that could have been done differently to make things less monotonous or better streamlined.Quote:
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It goes without saying you can't keep a player interested by keeping them walking up and down the same city block over and over again. Once is totally okay and expected, twice is fine too, three times is starting to push it. By the tenth plus time. The player more then wants to cross the street and see whats on the next block. -
08-15-2016, 01:58 AMsynestheticFor specifically new players...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
RMT spam and bots.
I'm guessing the spam issue is largely better than it was a few months back, but given some recent new and returning friends complained of it within their first couple of days, it's still an issue.
Unengaging story segments that are obviously there to make you waste time, or that are extremely cheap attempts to involve you.
Unfriendly or intolerant player behavior.
The story issue has already been talked about a lot in here.
Negative player behavior encompasses a few issues.
You have the vitriolic crowd that people have come to associate with games like League of Legends, and you have the grumpy geezers who are tired of having to "carry" people all of the time. The former group could really use at least a few permanent bans. The latter is partially due to disrespect by both old and new players (and I don't think that can be helped), but I believe it's largely exacerbated by the combat system itself.
I haven't tried out the training hall, but even with basic mechanics down, the difference between a "good" player and a "bad" player can be ridiculously huge. Like...
- Tanks who waste Provoke, don't use cooldowns (or don't use them well), aren't positionally aware and/or don't know how to position monsters well, etc.
- DPS who don't know decent rotations. At this point, it's common enough to see someone whose rotation is legitimately worse than just spamming like.. the first attack they get and nothing else..
- Healers who only use essentially Cure1 and Cure2, regardless of situation. Or who think that they don't have to do anything at all because another healer (or Eos) is there.
Having 3-4 hotbars packed with skills and macros is probably overwhelming for a lot of people too. But all those other buttons aren't there for alternative playstyles like in other games. They're there because you're somehow largely expected to know how/when to use everything. But since you can realistically be carried all the way to endgame, maybe there's not enough time or incentive to really learn combat. Alternatively, combat is maybe too complex or poorly taught.