Class Request: Necromancer

You could have more then 8 pets in AoC, a lot more. With FF servers the way they are this can never happen. For those that did play aoc... remember being around a couple lvl 80 necros with all their pets out? lag out even high end PCs. I would much rather have 1 strong pet then 16 little ones, especially when you get multiple necros in the area.

And just because necro was a crappy job in ff5 and mentioned in a few others doesnt make it staple FF material. Doesnt matter if they were in old ones or not, traditional necromancers do NOT fit in FFXIV. The same way RPers roleplaying they were raped do not fit in the world of eorzea(there are ppl who do this). Thats not to say they couldnt make it work, THM have a strong respect for the dead, if anything they would want to destroy undead. So you would have to be a renegade THM to want the dead as slaves.

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Originally Posted by Raagnar

And just because necro was a crappy job in ff5 and mentioned in a few others doesnt make it staple FF material. Doesnt matter if they were in old ones or not, traditional necromancers do NOT fit in FFXIV. The same way RPers roleplaying they were raped do not fit in the world of eorzea(there are ppl who do this). Thats not to say they couldnt make it work, THM have a strong respect for the dead, if anything they would want to destroy undead. So you would have to be a renegade THM to want the dead as slaves.

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What makes them crappy?

WTH are you talking about roleplayers for? They purchased the disc the same as you, they are entittled to play how they like.

Necromancers were in more then one FF game. Why would they have to be THM related? They can add any lore the desire. That doesn't go to say making it a job of THM wouldn't be a bad idea in the future, as it would work right into the existing lore easily.

Necromancer was one of the strongest jobs in FFVa lol, I don't think that qualifies as crappy unless you consider Blue Mage crappy since with the exception of a few spells, it was less powerful than even Red Mage.

Here's Necromancy history in even FFXI:

-During the Crystal War there was a sect of Necromancers whom were banished to the Phomniua Aquaducts as Necromancy, much like Summoning were sooner outlawed and deemed too dark of arts.
-Enaremand wants you to find one of said Necromancers to attach a spirit to his mannequin, Aisha which you then complete the quest and end up fighting Aisha, whom is a very troubled soul given the way she fights you.
-The same technique is given to Puppetmasters for attaching souls to Automata, which in essence, makes Puppetmasters Necromancer apprentices as you're controlling a newly attached spirit to a doll.

So it wasn't just 'mentioned' in prior FF games (with Va and XI being major examples) it was actually pretty rooted in history in the previous FF online game.

So while true, Necromancy isn't linked to FF like say Black Mage is, but it is something that's been found in FF before.

Summoner is going to be in ffxiv. Gonna be able to summon lesser avatars, not the primals. There have already been discussion threads on what lessers we want brought into the game.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-in-the-future

I don't remeber if it was in the plans for 2.0 outline or one of yoshi's letters but it is also mentioned about having a class that can charm mobs.

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Originally Posted by Raagnar

You could have more then 8 pets in AoC, a lot more. With FF servers the way they are this can never happen. For those that did play aoc... remember being around a couple lvl 80 necros with all their pets out? lag out even high end PCs. I would much rather have 1 strong pet then 16 little ones, especially when you get multiple necros in the area.

And just because necro was a crappy job in ff5 and mentioned in a few others doesnt make it staple FF material. Doesnt matter if they were in old ones or not, traditional necromancers do NOT fit in FFXIV. The same way RPers roleplaying they were raped do not fit in the world of eorzea(there are ppl who do this). Thats not to say they couldnt make it work, THM have a strong respect for the dead, if anything they would want to destroy undead. So you would have to be a renegade THM to want the dead as slaves.

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i have to ask this, because you seem like a smart guy.

Why would rape... not fit into Eorzea? i mean, rape is terrible, horrible, traumatic. but do you believe that just because it isn't DIRECTLY mentioned (and it is hinted at) that rape does not occur in Eorzea? a world about to enter a new age of darkness where people's stresses are high and are constantly under siege from beast tribes and the garlean empire?

I'd say it would likely be an unfortunately common event.


As for necromancer. Do want, forbidden magic would be one of the perfect ways to get through an age of darkness, desperate times call for desperate measures.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

As for necromancer. Do want, forbidden magic would be one of the perfect ways to get through an age of darkness, desperate times call for desperate measures.

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Much like Summoning Fenrir did for the Crystal War, or becoming Odin's vessel for eternal life (till he needs you that is.)

I dont really care if they add necromancer. But it seems like a dirty practice. Necrophilia much?

necro would rock i l;oved playing necro in AoC but its not realy a ff style class

Ok, bring it in just like it is in V and I'd be onboard. Including taking damage from heal spells. PK curaga spam! Go, go, go!

If its just gonna be some EQ rip off Necro, no thanks.

A caster class that can ither summon undead type pets. or reanimate a downed mob in the field would be great.

Necromancer.

1. It is a Job in Final Fantasy V advance
2. An enemy from Final Fantasy V
3. An enemy from Final Fantasy VI
4. A summoner type enemy from Final Fantasy XI
5. An enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon 2

this is five reasons it is part of that Final Fantasy "feeling"


btw, It has a cool AF in FFV.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...omancerArt.png

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...omancerArt.png

I say any mage type class is always welcomed so have my vote of yes!

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Necromancer.

1. It is a Job in Final Fantasy V advance
2. An enemy from Final Fantasy V
3. An enemy from Final Fantasy VI
4. A summoner type enemy from Final Fantasy XI
5. An enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon 2

this is five reasons it is part of that Final Fantasy "feeling"


btw, It has a cool AF in FFV.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...omancerArt.png

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...omancerArt.png

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I think the corse robes are totally based on FFV advance.

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...8oros_kCb0CzZQ

Class Request: Blue Mage

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Originally Posted by Godking

Class Request: Blue Mage

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would you mind staying on topic.

Ew. No thanks.

Yes, please.

Necromancer, yes please!

Enchanter (EQOA-style)- Pet class that can summon armors.
How it could work:
3 Different armors being able to be summoned.
1. Heavy Armor- Tank Pet
2. Light armor- DD pet
3. Cloth Armor- Mage Pet

This should be posted on the Japanese, French and German sections to see what they think.

ehm didnt yoshida said about a class like this they want to implement?

cant find the source anymore sorry..

No thanks.

I'm not that much into necromancer, more importantly there are other classes that I think need priority and attention. Like for example Red Mage, Summoner and Dark Knight.

necromancer in ff? go back to wow please

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Originally Posted by Manafont

necromancer in ff? go back to wow please

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No Necromancer here.

I want to see a pet class, but please, no classes like necromancers or warlocks. They're just not very Final Fantasy, IMO.

First of all Necromancer is not apart of the FF history(at least for the good guys). Necromancer in FFVA is a terrible necromancer class that was basicly an blue mage, the class it self was hardly an true necromancer. Only time you will see necromancer in Ff is if they are the bad guys.

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Originally Posted by Firon

First of all Necromancer is not apart of the FF history(at least for the good guys). Necromancer in FFVA is a terrible necromancer class that was basicly an blue mage, the class it self was hardly an true necromancer. Only time you will see necromancer in Ff is if they are the bad guys.

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Wait.. what?

A whole lot of contradicting opinions there buddy.. You're not the only one too lol

As Frion stated, Necromancer has been generally treated as an 'evil' job in the FF games and thus relegated to enemy use only with one exception.

In FFV:advance, a player could become a necromancer, but it was a far cry from the undead horde summoner that is a cliched staple of any western RPG. Rather, the job allowed the player to cast forbidden magic and actually become undead himself. (an approach I might actually support)

My guess is that this brand of necromancy isn't what the OP and other necro fans are requesting...

Western style Necromancer? (No, Thanks)

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Originally Posted by captainpicard

There have been many threads about pet classes. Although Summoner is nice, I have no fond memories of it from FF11.

On the other hand, the Necromancer class from AoC was the only thing that kept me interested in that game, because it was implemented so well.

I would love to see a Necromancer or some other type of pet class added to FFXIV that allowed you to have *multiple* pets simultaneously. You could have 8 pets in AoC which was just right.

It would be thrilling to see my tar-Lalafell running around with 8 Life Stealers.

Thx

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I completely agree. I would love to see such a class and here is the Final Fantasy version of the class, it might give the dev some ideas.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/N...l_Fantasy_V%29

I dont mind the idea of a necromancer to be a "dark summoner" even if they changed the name to suit the FF universe it would be a lot of fun. i've also seen lots of people saying they wont have summoners, below is a post i put on another forum about this.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

More info on the summoner please!

I'm sure they will still add in the summoner the only change/limitation from traditional summoners will be regarding the "gods". i kinda like the concept of once again making them something uber powered for one crazy damage attack, i'm curious as to how they will pull it off. all it means is they will have other things to summon as pet types that are not mini primals. take the elementals, they are a good start, from there they can evolve and grow in power (fire elemental 2,3,4,etc) maybe provide elemental golems, drakes, etc. there is no end of what kind of things a summoner can summon, it does not need to be the primals all the time.

Please give us a little more of an idea of what the summoner will actually do as this is one of the more convoluted classes especially after the little nugget of info about free companies and primals.

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to me these summoner and necromancer classes will be like the beastmaster that skips the intermediate step of having to charm the animal. before any of this can be implemented they need to get their foundations set first so i think complaining and speculating about this sort of thing is a little pointless at this point. give SE a break ans stop busting their balls by bombarding them with crap that is, at this point, irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

As Frion stated, Necromancer has been generally treated as an 'evil' job in the FF games and thus relegated to enemy use only with one exception.

In FFV:advance, a player could become a necromancer, but it was a far cry from the undead horde summoner that is a cliched staple of any western RPG. Rather, the job allowed the player to cast forbidden magic and actually become undead himself. (an approach I might actually support)

My guess is that this brand of necromancy isn't what the OP and other necro fans are requesting...

Western style Necromancer? (No, Thanks)

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Besides being able to control the dead, and being a master of various poisons what else can a Necromancer do? As far as anything I have ever read for Necromancers ever, they only know how to summon/charm/control undead and poisonous magic.

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Originally Posted by captainpicard

There have been many threads about pet classes. Although Summoner is nice, I have no fond memories of it from FF11.

On the other hand, the Necromancer class from AoC was the only thing that kept me interested in that game, because it was implemented so well.

I would love to see a Necromancer or some other type of pet class added to FFXIV that allowed you to have *multiple* pets simultaneously. You could have 8 pets in AoC which was just right.

It would be thrilling to see my tar-Lalafell running around with 8 Life Stealers.

Thx

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Necromancy would be cool but it really wouldn't fit into the Final Fantasy that well. I have never seen a necromancer class in any FF title I have played and personally want to see it stick to the guns. Yoshi-P is working very hard to bring the Final Fantasy feel into this game because to me personally it was severally lacking. The world is starting to come together and actually starting to feel like a Final Fantasy title. Pop Necromancer in there and it would be just awkward.

Now on the otherhand I wouldn't mind if another class got necromancy type spells because that really would fall under black magic.

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Originally Posted by Pitri

wow people like this make me embaressed to play this game sometimes

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Your bad spelling make me don't wan't to play anymore...

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Originally Posted by TypeZ

Your bad spelling make me don't wan't to play anymore...

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It doesn't take much hen?

People using the "not ff enough" card to justify excluding anything they dont like are rather inept at arguments, if you ask me.

Personally, I have an aversion to necromancy because it just seems a bit goth for my tastes, but I wouldnt pretend to say it has no basis to be in FF simply because of that.

As it stands though, necromancy does seem a little out-of-place. Necromancy seems like something that should be a criminal offence. I cant imagine practitioners of necromancy really fitting comfortably into the game world. It just seems rather dark for the tone of the game.

Im neither here nor there, though. It could work, if done right, but it could also seem like a stark and unnatural juxtaposition if done wrong.

I think it is ridiculous to think Necromancer is not Final Fantasy when it is indeed part of it. Whether it is in its lore, enemies, bosses or like one of the jobs in Final Fantasy V advance, people should not ignore those irrefutable facts.

Ok so soooo many people are saying it is not a part of the final fantasy world. What about when they introduced guns and robots to the series, like those bot things you used in the beginning of final fantasy 3 or whatever one it was? Did people say OMG NOOOO WHAT ABOUT MY SWORDZZZ? No. They went with it.

Just like in this one, if it doesn't fit with the final fantasy feel when there are guns and ships in this one, what's the difference between adding a necromancer? I think it'd be cool that they could have their own hidden guild somewhere's. They could implement it so well, or incorporate it with THM. I'm tired of the happy go lucky game we have now. We need some darkness. And people aren't justifying why it doesn't fit with final fantasy.

If that was the case, then they should take out the guns in the game because what's the point in having a sword? I don't know, just sick of the people participating in threads saying NO and not saying why.

Like someone above said this game could use a little darkness in it. For a world on the brink of total war its way to happy. I think with the coming destruction of the 7th umbral era necromancy could totally find a place in the game. I wish it would be implements cause i love necromancer jobs. however i doubt SE will incorporate it, theyd need to do some creative revisions to the lore in order to fit them in perfect. id hate a half assed necro.

Think for most the its not part final fantasy crowd there in absolute denial of the fact's. Then they continue to give misinformation to hopefully sway people in there belief in that necromancer isn't party of any final fantasy game. Sorry to be another bearer of bad news to those people it is indeed part of ff series people just need to use google to find this simple fact out!

Yeah I really can't stand people "necro isn't FF", you guys really are game nazis. No innovation or anything will ever be allowed to the FF series because you're a close minded person, and they count you among their consumers. That's sad.

Bring back necro with concept that White magic will kill them, add another element to game play, make WHM have to think about not curing the necro. This thread reeks of the current players "ifrit is too hard gimp it because I'm not good enough" thought process.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I want to see a pet class, but please, no classes like necromancers or warlocks. They're just not very Final Fantasy, IMO.

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