RENT: A Better Housing Solution

Just saying it'd be freaking stupid if, after having my personal house for a year, to suddenly have to start paying rent for it.

Real houses don't work that way and I don't want my lovely corner of the server to work that way either.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Just saying it'd be freaking stupid if, after having my personal house for a year, to suddenly have to start paying rent for it.

Real houses don't work that way and I don't want my lovely corner of the server to work that way either.

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They could call it property tax instead of renting.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Just saying it'd be freaking stupid if, after having my personal house for a year, to suddenly have to start paying rent for it.

Real houses don't work that way and I don't want my lovely corner of the server to work that way either.

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Well, If you ignore Insurance, Land Tax and Maintenence.

But this isn't the real world. This is the Fantasy world, and people were against Housing Rent before the system was even released.
They have made a lot of mistakes with housing, Rent would just add to the list ><

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

People are focusing their energy in the wrong direction, I think. Rather than going at each other over who has the right to hold on to a house for how much time, we should be asking Yoshi-P - very loudly - "Why the hell, many months on now, is it still even a problem? Why are the solutions being implemented little more than band-aids and not actual fixes?"

The problem is, the housing system was poorly planned, poorly implemented and needs to be completely revamped and re-designed from the ground up, in a way that will accommodate demand on-the-fly, or far closer to it. "But! But their resources!". What about them? That's their problem to sort out, not the players' to just "deal with".

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This is the issue and we're turning on each other when, let's do some math here 8 wards with 60 houses = 480 houses multiplied by 3 cities = 1440 houses. It seems like the Devs didn't consider server population once because these numbers don't cater to some servers. When Housing was "FC ONLY" this still wasn't enough considering there are as many as 2 times the number of FC's on a server. Now when you factor in housing no longer being restricted to FC's, releasing something as simple as 30 more houses per ward would be a slap in the face again. I just hope the apartment units are "instanced" so there won't be a shortage of them.

I've rented out my top floor of my house for a one time payment of one million gil. My tenant got 50 slots, full craftstations, full gardening, full privilege to remodel the walls, flooring, ceiling light, windows, armoire, company box, immediate access to the marketboard so they didn't have to pay tax on Lominsa purchases and even chocobo stables.

Granted they could have paid 300k for a fc room since you also get 50 slots, this would have been the cheaper way to go for them, but I find that fc rooms have a very limiting design flow, where as the upstairs of a medium plot is more open and allows for more customization.

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Originally Posted by Lithe

I'm not a fan of the idea. I already paid for my house, I shouldn't have to pay extra because everyone doesn't have a house. You will eventually learn life isn't fair.

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my thoughts exactly i slaved my butt off gettin enough money to buy my small house.. why should i have to pay rent on an house i already brought?? its really easy to make gil if you want to these days compared to previously.. they should save up n camp housing plots like the people who buy n sell do ._.

For as long as I am subbed, and I own a home / lead a FC owned home, I shouldn't have to fret over missing in-game payments or 45-day login activity; I am still "playing" the game and supporting it. I spent more time and money earning that home, decorating that home, and enjoying that home. Why should I lose all of that over taking a break? It matters not the length of my "break", or the reasoning behind it - That's my business. Not yours!

How about waiting for this next housing wave, or raise your voices even further for additional housing? I understand everyone wants their own personal hole-in-the-wall, but could you please stop trying to get additional restrictions thrown onto those of us who were fortunate enough to get housing? I completely support losing my home for unsubbed inactivity. Other than that, please go away

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

people are focusing their energy in the wrong direction, I think. Rather than going at each other over who has the right to hold on to a house for how much time, we should be asking Yoshi-P - very loudly - "Why the hell, many months on now, is it still even a problem? Why are the solutions being implemented little more than band-aids and not actual fixes?"

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You are absolutely right. Supply is far too limited, and increasing the number of houses to meet demand is the key to the entire problem. Hopefully the new wards and apartments that are going to be introduced will address this issue.

As to rent, taxes? Please, don't introduce either. I play games to get away from all that.

The 45 day period is already too short; if you are paying a sub, I don't see why you should lose your house, regardless of how active you are. Yes, people get bored and take a break (though why shouldn't they?).
Other reasons for not playing are beyond anyone's control, your job might take you away from home for a few months, you could have an accident, get sick or your family might need you. Nobody should be punished for being having to deal with a real life crisis.

This proposal would not only cut down the time you are allowed to be away from the game even more, it would also demand constant activity 'just to pay the rent'. No thank you!

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Originally Posted by Mellaz

He actually said 0.1% not just 1%

0.1% of 10,000,000 is in fact 10,000

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Keep reading the thread. The 0.1% was a later edit as mentioned by OP.

Funny how everyone with a house are the one's against it; lack of perspective maybe?

Regardless, the idea would help a lot to cut down on house sellers and force people to stay active if they want a house. If you want to take a break; go for it! That doesn't mean you should get to slap your name on a useless house while you take your personal time, stopping other's from accessing content that you'd rather have sit there.

The new wards won't fix any issues either, they'll let new people grab plots, but they'll quickly be snatched away and we'll be right here again. Housing should be for active players, and working for some pocket change every 2 weeks will not kill you. If the game isn't worth that for you, then relinquish the plot because there are active players who love the game and would enjoy it a lot more than it sitting there empty for you to pop in and out of every once and a while.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

Funny how everyone with a house are the one's against it; lack of perspective maybe?

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funny how the 1s without houses are suggesting shorter reclaim times, house owners paying more blah blah... op wants us paying rent for houses we already own.. should we throw in water rates and electricity aswell ?? even if i cant log in much due to real life i still sub.. so id make sure even if i can only play 1 day a month 1st thing id do is make sure my house is safe lol

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

funny how the 1s without houses are suggesting shorter reclaim times, house owners paying more blah blah... op wants us paying rent for houses we already own.. should we throw in water rates and electricity aswell ?? even if i cant log in much due to real life i still sub.. so id make sure even if i can only play 1 day a month 1st thing id do is make sure my house is safe lol

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Lol, you can't turn what I said on me, because the people suggesting the change are those who want houses and don't mind having to pay for it, while those holding the houses and against the idea; are people who're too greedy to make a small sacrifice for the good of everyone else. Plus if you only log in once a month, then that is beyond selfish to hold a plot whilst many active players wait daily for a chance at one. There are plenty of people who'd love to put that plot to ACTUAL use, and make a lot of nice memories with friends.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

funny how the 1s without houses are suggesting shorter reclaim times, house owners paying more blah blah... op wants us paying rent for houses we already own.. should we throw in water rates and electricity aswell ?? even if i cant log in much due to real life i still sub.. so id make sure even if i can only play 1 day a month 1st thing id do is make sure my house is safe lol

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How on earth do you know whether people have houses or not? I own a FC house and used to own a personal house on my old server and I still don't care about the timer nor would I care if they made it shorter.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

Plus if you only log in once a day, then that is beyond selfish to hold a plot whilst many active players wait daily for a chance at one. There are plenty of people who'd love to put that plot to ACTUAL use, and make a lot of nice memories with friends.

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i log in everyday i used it as an example, do i go into my house daily?? nope lol my house is right beside a mmarket board so use it for quick access to that lol... i worked my butt off for my house so ill do everything possible to keep it even if i get busy in real life :3 its not our fault SE failed big time on housing availablity why should we be punished due to thier failure

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

i log in everyday i used it as an example, do i go into my house daily?? nope lol my house is right beside a mmarket board so use it for quick access to that lol... i worked my butt off for my house so ill do everything possible to keep it even if i get busy in real life :3 its not our fault SE failed big time on housing availablity why should we be punished due to thier failure

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And that's fine, so 10k every 2 weeks is literally nothing for someone who logs in daily. There are, however, people who quite literally log in once every housing cycle to stop the system from purging their plot, and that is wrong.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

And that's fine, so 10k every 2 weeks is literally nothing for someone who logs in daily. There are, however, people who quite literally log in once every housing cycle to stop the system from purging their plot, and that is wrong.

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still dont agree with the idea no matter what any1 says.. we brought our house so we shouldnt have to pay rent on somethin we already paid for

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

still dont agree with the idea no matter what any1 says.. we brought our house so we shouldnt have to pay rent on somethin we already paid for

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You won't spare a small fee to prevent misuse and promote the housing system as far as activity is concerned? I'm sure you can imagine what it is like to want a house, and how would you feel if you were locked out of this system? I'm sure you can part with your small amount of precious gil so that Joe and his FC of friends can finally make a house with the funds they've saved together.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

You won't spare a small fee to prevent misuse and promote the housing system as far as activity is concerned? I'm sure you can imagine what it is like to want a house, and how would you feel if you were locked out of this system? I'm sure you can part with your small amount of precious gil so that Joe and his FC of friends can finally make a house with the funds they've saved together.

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yeah i can imagine thats why i worked my butt off to get 1 :3 only people who should be blamed for people missing out on a house is only SE team in charge of that aspect not the players theres a housing update anyways and watch all the people whinge they dont want an apartment they want a house etc etc etc

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

yeah

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No one is being blamed for anything; it is SE's fault that the game allows for people to log in so rarely yet hold such a valuable piece of the game, and that is exactly why this thread was made. I don't know why you're posting here if you don't understand the concept of a suggestion thread.

They probably will whine, and for good reason. A house and an apartment are two very different things, but all we can hope for is that some system is enacted of which will prevent the inactive holding of houses.

I hope you try to open that little mind of your's and look at things from other's perspectives, instead of your own. This is an MMO btw, and not all about you ^^.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

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How about no.

How about we all just put the responsibility for the problem right back in the lap of SE where it belongs.

We all pay the same sub fee and we all should have access to the same features in the game, including housing, without the jumping through hoops to pay rent or log in at a certain time or whatever. When you obtain gear or items, or mounts or minions in the game, do they disappear when you take a break from the game? Of course not. Your character and progression are exactly how you left them whether you log out for a day, a week or a year.

Housing should be the same way.

The bottom line is that SE royally screwed up in the very beginning with the housing feature, and they just need to fix it so that everyone in the game has equal access to a plot of land if they want it. If that means instanced housing, so be it. SE has proven that if something is broken beyond repair, they will do whatever it takes to fix it and make it great. Let's see SE give the same treatment to the housing system.

How is housing and minions related at all? Everyone has an equal opportunity to earn the minion, but once housing plots are full that is the end of the line unless one happens to go inactive and free or one is sold at outrageous prices.

It would be incredibly simple to make a small amount of money for a rent fee which would provide many benefits. I feel like people with houses in this thread are just happy they got to the plot first, and could care less about anyone else. It's that bias viewpoint which is stopping a lot of people from understanding how much this would help, and how little effort on their part it'd take.

Invest a bit more thought into it besides "omg they want my money!! omg I can't go inactive and keep an empty plot with my name on it!!"

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

Funny how everyone with a house are the one's against it; lack of perspective maybe?

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Not really cause I posted this earlier (along with another poster some where in this thread)

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Originally Posted by Lexia

I own a house and I could care less if they decided that I needed to enter it once every 2 weeks...

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I think the main group that against housing timers and stuff are the people that want to take "breaks" or use their house as some sort of trophy and never enter it.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

yeah i can imagine thats why i worked my butt off to get 1 :3 only people who should be blamed for people missing out on a house is only SE team in charge of that aspect not the players theres a housing update anyways and watch all the people whinge they dont want an apartment they want a house etc etc etc

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There are also people who work their butt off, if not more than you did, who can't have a house because there's none available.

This isn't 'give me your house right now if you don't log in every day!' But it's 'if you're not even using your house for weeks on end others deserve a chance to get one'.

Not to mention players are paying ridiculous amounts of money like our FC did because players are buying the houses and selling them for a stupid price.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

How is housing and minions related at all? Everyone has an equal opportunity to earn the minion, but once housing plots are full that is the end of the line unless one happens to go inactive and free or one is sold at outrageous prices.

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It seems like you missed my point.

The point is, if there were housing plots available for everyone from the beginning (like everyone can obtain gear, minions, mounts, etc) then everyone would have an equal opportunity to partake in that part of the game and there would be no issues.

Again, the bottom line is that SE needs to fix the mess they made with housing so that all players have an equal opportunity to play that part of the game.

Maybe invest a bit more time to read what I wrote.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

You won't spare a small fee to prevent misuse and promote the housing system as far as activity is concerned? I'm sure you can imagine what it is like to want a house, and how would you feel if you were locked out of this system? I'm sure you can part with your small amount of precious gil so that Joe and his FC of friends can finally make a house with the funds they've saved together.

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Er.. The house was expensive to begin with, so why are we assuming a small tax will at all be a barrier to resellers? They clearly have a way to transfer gil to the alts.

@ OP

Yeah, I don't like your idea, it just sounds like another time counter for me, SE already screwed up by auto-demolishing properties after 45 days, I loved the time when I would own my house forever, as long as the game existed, without worrying about taking a very long vacation anywhere I wanted, now I can't because they'd take my house away!...

Do note that I've been subscribed continuously since I began my Eorzean adventure and I'm not planning to take any breaks in the future unless of course the game became irrelevant but that is up to the developers!...

Said otherwise, I like owning my stuff forever and without conditions, 45 days auto-demolition and rent are not something I would ever consider!...

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

Invest a bit more thought into it besides "omg they want my money!! omg I can't go inactive and keep an empty plot with my name on it!!"

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The money isn't the issue, it's the annoyance of going to that NPC to pay the rent, keeping track of when you last paid, and that 45 day reclaim is pretty quick to begin with, the 2 week suggestion is horrid.

Then there's the core of reclamation that shouldn't exist; basing it on game activity instead of account activity. If someone isn't paying to play the game any more, that should be the basis, not going in the front door or talking to a NPC in game. See the thousands of threads on need/greed in dungeon loot. "It's not fair that they get to roll need when I would do something that I think is more important than their glamour/desynth/GC seals. What I think is more important is all that should matter to anyone." This comes down to the same argument, "They aren't using the house the way I think they should, so I deserve it more."

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

"They aren't using the house the way I think they should, so I deserve it more."

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Yeah it all boils down to I DON'T HAVE IT and I WANT YOURS. Pretty sad really. A PAYING SUB is all that should be needed.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

But what about the guy who has an automobile accident that causes him to lose both parents, a pregnant wife, 2 kids, both of his legs, feeling in the left side of his body, and is hospitalized for 8 weeks.

How can that guy find any ray of sunshine if his video game house is taken away while he was in the hospital?

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Can't tell if sarcasm >_>

Personally, I'd rather they scrap the whole system the way it is and go to fully instanced housing like many other MMOs. That way, everyone can have one because if you (or anyone else) isn't in the house, it's in a rest state and not loaded into memory thus not eating resources. Then a rental system would be fine, if after I don't pay one month, my house is just perma locked until I pay for it again.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Can't tell if sarcasm >_>

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I'll label it as satire, since similar what-ifs were used in full seriousness when they first announced reclamation.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I'll label it as satire, since similar what-ifs were used in full seriousness when they first announced reclamation.

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Haha fair enough, I had a rather big debate with someone on here genuinely trying to use that argument to extremes when they first announced the 45 day timer, so I had to double check ^^;

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

the 2 week suggestion is horrid.

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That was not a suggestion, you need to reread the post.

What I hate the most about this housing situation is how it puts players to fight against other players, people trying to find any frivolous way to take a house from someone else, and people buying plots to resell them for higher prices to the people who care about housing.

I mean

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"But that means I have to log in every other week instead of getting to wait a month an a half so I can keep my house!" You know what Mr. Whiny-pants? If you're not playing this game, then maybe you shouldn't waste our pixels.

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apparently if you don't login in 14 days "you're not playing this game and you shouldn't waste our pixels".

Even the 45 days reclamation is ridiculous when we have had content droughts longer than that, nevermind the fact that this reclamation doesn't even account whether you have an active sub or not, people paying for the game should be excluded from auto reclamation.

I don't consider logging in simply to avoid the housing reclamation as "using" it, so it isn't about people using a house in a way I wouldn't want. I do not appreciate how players snatch a plot, and then simply keep it around for "if" they ever start playing the game again, and do not actively play it currently. Yes, of course this is all up to SE whatever whatever, but bottom line is that I'm saying it is selfish, and that this suggestion could prevent that, as it will eliminate those who have no care to invest time into the game, and simply wish to keep their house as a trophy rather than using it during active gameplay.

Whatever though, if you wish to pop in and out to have your name on an abandoned house, go for it. I just think it isn't right, and that this method is a very simple countermeasure to prevent those who pop in and out.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

That was not a suggestion, you need to reread the post.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

This is more an activity thing, better than the current 45-day login policy because it actually requires a homeowner to actually do something in-game beyond just logging in.

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The rate would be simple: 0.1% of the cost of the property every two weeks.

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And you skipped out on the other reasons I listed in that post why it's a bad idea. It's an annoyance for the sake of annoyance to take away someone's house, because one person feels they deserve someone else's house.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

I don't consider logging in simply to avoid the housing reclamation as "using" it, so it isn't about people using a house in a way I wouldn't want.

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So going to a NPC and paying them periodically would constitute using a house?

Logging in does nothing for the reclamation timer, it's entering the house. Gardening, chocobo raising/coloring, exterior decorating, moogle mail all happen without resetting the timer.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

If you're not even playing the game why do you need the house?

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By that logic I didn't sign on yesterday, should the house be taken from me? We have to decide what amount of time constitutes "not playing" and two weeks is too short in my opinion.

We're humans unfortunately: we always put blame to each others instead of pointing fingers to the real culprit, in this case being SE and the housing mafia (they are buying your houses afterall). If we were smart we would call them out but I suppose I'm far too optimistic about this. Afterall I -was- called selfish for defending my house!

On my behalf, the only reason why I'm still here it's because, just like many, I worked hard for my house and now with that 45 days reclaim I simply cannot take a break. "But it's 1 month and a HALF!" well whatever, it's essentially a rent at this point, disguised as a subscription, and it doesn't allow you to take a break for more than that time. "Oh but it's enough time you whiner" It may be for you but it is not for me...besides, like many other says, what about life accidents? I suppose we don't care enough for our "pixels"

I still hope they will prolong it to 90 days or even remove it and actually fix it, but to be very honest I have very slim hopes for them to fix this within 1 or 2 years, as they don't really show to be caring that much (the fact they added furniture FIRST just kind of proves it in my opinion).

Infact I have a feeling that eventually housing will be put as a mogshop feature someday and unless they do something really big to fix all of this mess, I have zero faith in SE to fix this issue.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

And you skipped out on the other reasons I listed in that post why it's a bad idea. It's an annoyance for the sake of annoyance to take away someone's house, because one person feels they deserve someone else's house.

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Oh sorry I got lost in other posts.