My favourite Ishgardian soap opera continues!

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Originally Posted by Airias

In german, it sounds a lot happier for them, too. In the end, the lord asks Reginald to find him a new bride. But then, the german version is often much more child-friendly than the rather dark english one. I like those dark tidbits in english.

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Could you screenshot it for me?

Also, poor Reginald, by his reaction this isn't the first time he will have to find a new bride x)

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Originally Posted by Airias

In german, it sounds a lot happier for them, too. In the end, the lord asks Reginald to find him a new bride. But then, the german version is often much more child-friendly than the rather dark english one. I like those dark tidbits in english.

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The English version is certainly consistent with that ending. The "you know what you must do" comes across as sinister due to the history of the events involving then and its overall vagueness, but it easily could be the instructions to find a new bride.

I'd prefer that they go with the darker option, honestly. Not only would it be a nice nod to Romeo and Juliet but it it'd help balance the 'progressive narrative' surrounding the new Ishgard for those of who who prefer the original gritty take on the place. Eorzea isn't a nice or pleasant place and for most people there things do not work out well.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Not only would it be a nice nod to Romeo and Juliet but it it'd help balance the 'progressive narrative' surrounding the new Ishgard for those of who who prefer the original gritty take on the place.

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The "progressive narrative" where we've really only just replaced their theocracy that was built on a lie and helping to perpetuate a war they couldn't win. The other issues, such as the major class divide between the noble houses and the common folk has already been shown to not be going anywhere soon, despite representation on both sides in their new government.

I also wouldn't consider it a particularly good nod to Romeo and Juliet, as that wasn't about two lovers running away and being pursued/hunted by a jilted lover (the comedy A Midsummer Night's Dream has more in common with that kind of plot line), and instead about the foolishness of two houses feuding and what it cost them...

Which is, oddly enough, more in line with a "progressive narrative" of two sides (noble and common) reconciling before more get hurt, if you think about it.

I hope that it has a good ending. There are already a lot dark side stories in Ishgard and Eorzea. IMO no need to make every story dark just for showing how gritty that place is.

Well, I for one interpreted the "you know what you must do" as close your eyes and think of Halone...

Ah thank you ^_^ I suppose I could go and redo the pictures better, zoom in, remove my HUD, etc. Honestly it took FOREVER to screencapture the entire conversation because it goes by swiftly. I kept having to run out of range and back in to get sentences I missed. It was a nightmare to try to match up the dialogue and post it properly. I can provide a transcript if the text is too small to read.

I wasn't sure if I got the storyline "out of order" if you had to trigger the scenes in a specific order or if it updated each patch regardless of if you've run by the characters previously. Or if multiple storylines appeared simultaneously depending on the time of day. I'll have to keep an eye out. Does anyone know if there are any other continuing side-NPC chats like this that have an updating dialogue with each patch?

This is the reason I just walk around the towns now and again. The detail. ;u; I know it takes lots of time and resources for the devs but I hope we never lose these little stories no matter how much they're overlooked.

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Originally Posted by Alice_89th

Could you screenshot it for me?

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Here's the Album on imgur.
I tried to translate it as closely to the original wording as possible, so it may seem a little off in english.

And yes, it really sounds like the lord has gone through this before. I kind of feel bad for him. He's such a good catch; even the woman says she'd have a good life with him.

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Originally Posted by Airias

Here's the Album on imgur.
I tried to translate it as closely to the original wording as possible, so it may seem a little off in english.

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Thank you!!!
This does make poor Reginald his 'task' sound much less ominous. And I can even pity the poor Lord a bit. It does not come completely out of the blue either, the English version has the line "But is that really a more lamentable fate then looking into no eyes at all?", which implies that he is simply lonely and wishes for a companion. Although this does make it sound like anyone will do. Perhaps Reginald can put a dress on a spriggan and present that as the next bride xD

It was really interesting to see this version, so thank you for the screenshots! As for the part where you had doubts about your translation, assuming "Nachsehen" is used in the sense of "für die Handlungen / das Verhalten von jemandem Verständnis aufbringen(#)" you could probably simply translate it with '"please try to understand"

:D The Couple now has a kid! So cute

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

:D The Couple now has a kid! So cute

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Cute...

Until I read the pop-up text in a couple spots.

She says "Oh father, what have I done? How am I to feed this child on a weed-puller's wages?" while you can see him working nearby.

But that's not the worst of it. In the Pillars, if you walk near where they were seen before? The noble comments to his servant "Hmph. If he only knew his son's true sire."

Would seem the soap opera continues...

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Cute...

Until I read the pop-up text in a couple spots.

She says "Oh father, what have I done? How am I to feed this child on a weed-puller's wages?" while you can see him working nearby.

But that's not the worst of it. In the Pillars, if you walk near where they were seen before? The noble comments to his servant "Hmph. If he only knew his son's true sire."

Would seem the soap opera continues...

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Geez, like somethin' outta an NTR story...

Taken with the ending of the previous part, with Lord telling his Man "You know what must be done", I wonder if we're to take that it was the Lord who believes himself the father, or his Man? And then there's the matter of the means by which they may have done so...

Apparently the dialogue is different in the JP version, with the lady saying something like 'I hope the good days will continue on'.

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Originally Posted by dragonflie

Apparently the dialogue is different in the JP version, with the lady saying something like 'I hope the good days will continue one'.

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I wonder what the nobleman in Ishgard says in the Japanese version.

Well, its official. Koji hates happy endings:P

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

:D The Couple now has a kid! So cute

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where are they?

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Originally Posted by DemonLord95

where are they?

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Idyllshire, at the farm.

Sooo... 9 months passed since last patch? or do elezen pregnancy last three months? Do they lay eggs..? SO MANY QUESTIONS LEFT UNANSWERED!

I dont understand why they needed another difference in translation again..its okay if its still quite similar but there is a big difference between hoping for the happy days to go on forever and fearing how to feed the child..why is that necessary? Is a simple happy ending so outdated?

And I agree with Enur. Its cute but at the same time how was she able to give birth to a child if we are kinda in a time bubble? Still I like such nice little NPCs stories, makes the world feel alive.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I dont understand why they needed another difference in translation again..its okay if its still quite similar but there is a big difference between hoping for the happy days to go on forever and fearing how to feed the child..why is that necessary? Is a simple happy ending so outdated?

And I agree with Enur. Its cute but at the same time how was she able to give birth to a child if we are kinda in a time bubble? Still I like such nice little NPCs stories, makes the world feel alive.

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Agreed. I just found out what happened to the Ishgardian trying to off themselves near the CWH hot springs this morning. They finally fell... And when you approach their body they say "Damned powder snow..." So there's one happy ending!

Now if only I could find those two kids at the Jeweled Crozier again. Last I saw them they were worried about getting the switch from their parents for spending all of the money they had for errands/groceries.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Now if only I could find those two kids at the Jeweled Crozier again. Last I saw them they were worried about getting the switch from their parents for spending all of the money they had for errands/groceries.

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They now now appear in the stairs above the market (x8, y10 Pillars) and . . . well, the story gets even grimmer?

GDI Writing Team, why can't we have nice things?

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So these two children just bought some sweets even though they know that their father was sick? Why did the mother send her children if those are so important? Could it be that its not that bad of a fever and she just wanted to teach her children some lessons on not just buying things because they want it? (I hope so)

...I just found the german version...nothing grim there..the children feel bad for spending the money on sweets and she just says that they hopefully learned a lessons and that they should go home and eat some vegetable soup. Nothing about sickness or giving them up to the goblins..I fear this is just another "english" version..it also does not make sense that they dont have money with what all three are wearing. >_>

I, for one, prefer the darker twists given how neatly everything else has been wrapped up in regards to Ishgard in the MSQ's and major side stories. Eorzea isn't a pleasant place to live and the illusion of greatness is shattered in these sort of exchanges.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

...I just found the german version...nothing grim there..the children feel bad for spending the money on sweets and she just says that they hopefully learned a lessons and that they should go home and eat some vegetable soup. Nothing about sickness or giving them up to the goblins..I fear this is just another "english" version..it also does not make sense that they dont have money with what all three are wearing. >_>

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Honestly, it reads more like her "threats" are the kind a mother might visit on wayward children without them actually being serious threats. More of a "the boogeyman is gonna get you if you don't eat your veggies and clean your room" Isghardigan/Eorzean style. They're in a richer part of town, dressed in nice clothing, and so is their mother...and missing popotos for a stew is hardly a life or death difference.

Unlike the English version of the Soap Opera (and I'm still curious about what the other NPC, the nobleman, says in the other versions), I don't think this one is meant to have a dark twist - she's disciplining them in a way that will set them on the "straight and narrow" by scaring them into doing what they are supposed to in the future.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Honestly, it reads more like her "threats" are the kind a mother might visit on wayward children without them actually being serious threats. More of a "the boogeyman is gonna get you if you don't eat your veggies and clean your room" Isghardigan/Eorzean style. They're in a richer part of town, dressed in nice clothing, and so is their mother...and missing popotos for a stew is hardly a life or death difference.

Unlike the English version of the Soap Opera (and I'm still curious about what the other NPC, the nobleman, says in the other versions), I don't think this one is meant to have a dark twist - she's disciplining them in a way that will set them on the "straight and narrow" by scaring them into doing what they are supposed to in the future.

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This is almost entirely how I read it. They're in the Pillars, there's no want of money. Even if their father is sick and wanted popotoes for his stew I'm sure they could go buy some more. I also don't feel like the goblins are habitually buying Elezen children either. If you take the text at face value here, it seems a little grim I guess but it's important to put it in context. I mean they're nearly-literate children in the Pillars in finery; I doubt they're in danger. The mother is exaggerating one way or another: either to scare her kids straight or she's freaking out about the social change in Ishgard.

In a way, the couple's story doesn't really have a dark ending either, I like this sort of ending more, it doesn't paint it as a fairytale, the noblewoman left her life of riches behind to be with the person she loved, it's not surprising she feels like they're running low on money, when back in The Pillars she wouldn't have ever needed to worry about money. If this is the life she truely wants, she would eventually settle down, but at the moment, she's going through a bit of a culture shock.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

This is almost entirely how I read it.

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So I watched the interaction again and made sure to get a close up on the mother's face - she actually smiles a little bit after the kids respond to the comment about selling them to the goblins and as she's talking about them checking the trash. I'm certain at this point that she's pulling their leg while getting ready to enact some motherly discipline so they aren't as irresponsible in the future.

I haven't had the time to take screenshots of the latest episode, but I will try to do so soon. If I can I will also look at the Japanese and German versions (my French is....eh... /fakefrenchaccent non-existant)

The kid's is the Peasant man's kid. If you look really closely, the baby has dark hair, like the peasant man, while the mother and the lord have light coloured hair. Perhaps they are trying to spread rumors? You know how the lords like to spread rumors.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

The kid's is the Peasant man's kid. If you look really closely, the baby has dark hair, like the peasant man, while the mother and the lord have light coloured hair. Perhaps they are trying to spread rumors? You know how the lords like to spread rumors.

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I thought the implication was that it could be Reginald's child (the lord's henchman) and he has dark hair. But of course, anything could have happened behind the scenes; perhaps Reginald has a good heart deep, deep down and it's all in the lord's head?

I hope we get the conclusion of their story tomorrow!

Question before the update. Where did she go? For me, she no longer spawns/appears where her lover is, she used to be watching him pick weeds, but for me, she's no longer there.

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Originally Posted by Kikilicious

Question before the update. Where did she go? For me, she no longer spawns/appears where her lover is, she used to be watching him pick weeds, but for me, she's no longer there.

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I've had her not appear sometimes, and it seems to be tied to either weather or time of day.

Then she's back later. I'm at work at the moment or I'd check myself.

I just searched for her in all of Idyllshire, but couldn't find her. It's late night, so the easiest assumption would be that she retires for the night with the child.
However, I'd like to believe there is more to it.
Maybe she earns some money, since she stated she can't feed a child on a weedplucker's wage. Maybe she meets with whoever is supposed to be the true sire of her child, maybe she's contemplating going home, maybe she takes care of the children in the orphanage.