Alexander Gordios Savage T3

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

My static that planned run and clear tomorrow decided to not run because its nerfed now :(
Me sad.

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That's a dumb reason.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This is supposedly savage. You don't see Thordan EX getting nerfed.

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When will you people get that Savage doesn't mean what it used to? Like "Hard" mode, the meaning has changed!

Savage Coil - 100% optional, only run for the challenge and epeen titles

Savage Alexander - 100% NOT optional. You want higher than i200? You HAVE to run it, no choice (until catch up patches ofc).

The only reason it's tagged as Savage is not because it's this be all and end all of super high difficulty of challenges. It's because they can't slap a "Hard" mode tag on it to tell the casuals "it's really hard, don't do it", because they'll get all up in arms and confused over the fact "hurr but I've done Seph HM".

I'm serious, if Alex normal was tagged as "Story", and what we know as Savage didn't have a difficulty tag at all (like Coil), you wouldn't even use that as an argument. Hell, you probably wouldn't even complain about the nerfs. But just because it has the Savage tag do you assume it must be this untouched epeen stroke that SCOB has, which is NOT the case.

tl;dr get with the times.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

That's a dumb reason.

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Not all of us are opposed to getting it cleared... but when only 4 people seem interested... imma go /cry in the corner now... And yes it is a dumb reason.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Savage Alexander - 100% NOT optional. You want higher than i200? You HAVE to run it, no choice (until catch up patches ofc).

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Or next gear cycle aka 3.2 when it becomes unlocked - so you suddenly don't need to run it at all for over i200.

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Originally Posted by ruskie

Or next gear cycle aka 3.2 when it becomes unlocked - so you suddenly don't need to run it at all for over i200.

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You know what else became optional when the next gear sets came out? T1-4, T6-8, T10-12. Guess what got nerfed? HMMMM

Just because it's happened before, doesn't mean it should happen now, nor that it was right then either. Being optional is an argument for content not to be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

You know what else became optional when the next gear sets came out? T1-4, T6-8, T10-12. Guess what got nerfed? HMMMM

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IK I was there... I didn't like it back then as well but at least there I could accept it due to story... with this... no not really... there is no story, the gear isn't worth the effort anymore. Anyway let's call it differing opinions on the matter and be done with it. Not in the mood to argue about it.

*shrug* The devs didn't like how low the clear rate was for Gorias savage, so they corrected it via nerfs.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Just because it's happened before, doesn't mean it should happen now, nor that it was right then either. Being optional is an argument for content not to be nerfed.

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I agree, making content that 95% of the player base had no hopes of ever completing more accessible is a terrible idea. My bad.

/s

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Savage Coil - 100% optional, only run for the challenge and epeen titles

Savage Alexander - 100% NOT optional. You want higher than i200? You HAVE to run it, no choice (until catch up patches ofc).

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Im not sure if being sarcastic, trolling or actually serious. Savage alexander is indeed 100% optional.

Why does it need to be accessible though?

There's no story to see, nor gated content to unlock, nor relevant gear to obtain. So what value remains in even entering this instance?

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Im not sure if being sarcastic, trolling or actually serious. Savage alexander is indeed 100% optional.

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Yeah, until you want to progress further than i230 in this patch. Then OH WAIT, suddenly Savage is the only way to get better gear.

By your logic everything in this game is optional. Technically it is by definition of a theme park MMO. I could say farming tomes for your Lore gear is optional, going into Midas NM for 220 is optional. Fact is, if you actually want to play the game, it's not. Not really. Just like Savage.

Savage SCoB literally had nothing to gain from it other than a title. The coffers dropped exactly the same loot as regular SCoB.

Savage Midas might not be optional at the moment if gear progression is (quite reasonably) defined as one's main objective.

Savage Gordias is definitely optional now.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I could say farming tomes for your Lore gear is optional, going into Midas NM for 220 is optional.

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Well...it is..

Also yes, in a MMO you are correct in that everything is optional.

Edit: I feel I should clarify I do not care if it got nerfed or not. I am simply saying that even on the patch it came out with that it was and still is optional content.

Square Enix is so out of touch with the playerbase sometimes.

NO ONE asked for Savage to be nerfed. Almost everyone who is interested in doing the completely optional Gordias Savage want to do it for the CHALLENGE. Tons and tons of people have been waiting to get better gear before finally tackling the much hyped AS3 and its interesting mechanics. Now the mechanics have been nerfed, and victory would just feel hollow. What's even the point?

Nerfing fights into the ground like this without providing the option to do it the original way is sacrilege in any video game.

For SCoB, Square Enix provided the Savage mode as a way to retain the original difficulty of SCoB when it was nerfed. But this is ALREADY Savage! It should never be nerfed in the first place, but if they feel the need to do it anyway they should at least make the nerfs optional.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Savage Midas might not be optional at the moment if gear progression is (quite reasonably) defined as one's main objective.

Savage Gordias is definitely optional now.

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Just like T1-4 were when SCoB came out, and those were nerfed. Just like 6-8 were when FCoB came out, and those were nerfed.

I like all these people citing coil getting nerfed was okay because it had story. But really the complaints for a story mode didn't start happening well into final coil, and well after first and second coil were nerfed into the ground. Really one could argue that the story in coil still hasn't been taken into consideration to this day or we'd have a story mode like alexander. As it is there's still several fights in coil, in its heavily nerfed state, that can take even unsynced parties, crack them in the teeth and easily wipe the floor with them, and the average player dfing it is very unlikely to clear them in their first (or second, or third...) lockout.

Anyway, for alexander gordias, I'm sure saying, "Hey that raid, you know the most hated one to date?"Yea that one. It was pretty good actually, can you not nerf it please?" is just spurring the dev team into action and definitely not eliciting snickering and belly laughs.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Just because it's happened before, doesn't mean it should happen now, nor that it was right then either. Being optional is an argument for content not to be nerfed.

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I'll also point out that T1-4 and 6-8 have story content.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

For SCoB, Square Enix provided the Savage mode as a way to retain the original difficulty of SCoB when it was nerfed. But this is ALREADY Savage! It should never be nerfed in the first place, but if they feel the need to do it anyway they should at least make the nerfs optional.

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SE released SCOB Savage when they wanted to give an extra challenge, for fun, with the fights un-tuned in their original design, as in how it was designed before it was "ready for release." It wasn't released to be a vintage throwback. It's harder than un-nerfed SCOB was.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

I'll also point out that T1-4 and 6-8 have story content.

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And take it one step further:

You had to complete 5 of the 1-5 series for access to 6-9. You had to complete 9 for access to 10-13. That's why SE ultimately nerfed them - because otherwise, players would've been at an even larger loss trying to play catchup if they weren't up-to-date on the current raid tier.

Interesting that a direct nerf is not OK but handing out gear better than what the content was built around is not an issue. If you really want a challenge then maybe you should do the new savage? Oh and if you haven't cleared the old savage stuff by now you probably where never going to.

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Originally Posted by RocheKat

Interesting that a direct nerf is not OK but handing out gear better than what the content was built around is not an issue. If you really want a challenge then maybe you should do the new savage? Oh and if you haven't cleared the old savage stuff by now you probably where never going to.

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I would say that handing out better gear, adding echo and eventually unsync are all fine because they are all optional. You can still choose the original challenge if you want it. Direct nerfs don't give you a choice.

They could just move 210 ilvl gear to normal one, and we had same situation as with SCoB\SCoB(S), and everybody was fine with it.

GZ with two story modes. Maybe we need 3-rd story mode raid btw, why not? Let's call it impossible, that over some time would mean impossible to wipe

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Originally Posted by Radacci

which is why there's no reason to nerf it? there's no reason to even clear it, anymore. the only people that still care, are the people who wanted to clear it for the challenge...well apparently/supposedly there's no challenge anymore...so no reason to clear it.
it's called SAVAGE, what's the purpose of that tag, if it's not difficult?

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What does it matter? I mean seriously? Its old content, SE nerfs old content. Why are you complaining about old content. smdh

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Originally Posted by SinisterJointss

but you arent getting the same experience everyone else had, especially with 220 gear being handed out like candy.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

those who want to do it the original way can just put on old gear and turn off Echo.

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Also, why does content get "old"? It's not like SE needs to delete parts of the game to make space for the new stuff they're working on. If your primary concern is the challenge itself rather than the material rewards, then there is no "current content" or "old content", there's just content.