Goodbye strength tanks. Let us never be forgotten.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

I find it ironic that there are alot of people that hated str tanks. We were revolutionary to our role. If it weren't for us VIT tanks may not have seen dps improvements and the situation for vit only tanks may not have been as noticeable by SE.

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I think it's some people salty that WAR's were one shotting them in pvp

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

They are not going anywhere tho...

Depending on actual balance, probably you will see tanks still using some slaying accesories to make up for fending stuff that has parry on it. Any stat > parry.

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That would be incredibly foolish. Even if STR and VIT have .5 AP each, VIT has lower weight to it on gear, and will therefore have more of it on them then a similar STR piece. AttackPower is so incredibly more powerful then DET/CRIT/Whatever, that even a few more AP is worth a lot of Det/Crit/etc.

Plus, you'd be giving up a lot of HP for an EXTREMELY marginal DPS increase, if they even gave a DPS increase in the first place, which would be really silly to do.

If the split is even more biased towards VIT then STR, it would certainly be a DPS loss to use STR, doesn't matter what the secondaries are.

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Originally Posted by kalasnikov

I am Elon Salver, and i was a Str tank.

I will miss the joys of speeding up dungeons, carrying bad dps, and soloing bosses as warrior. Hope we will meet again someday, beloved pure str.

/salute

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I don't have to forget them, they were never a 'thing' for me. All fending all the way baby.

Now, let's get down to the business of discussing DPS horror stories. ;)

Said it in game already, but a bit more ain't enough

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Unless STR gives close to the amount of damage that VIT does, you won't see this because primary > any secondary.

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They flat out said that slaying accessories would be trash for tanks, to the point where any mix of slaying/fending accessory (even just one slaying ring) would be a dps loss. Don't count on it

Yeah yoshi said "tanks please focus on full vit"

I don't see us using any slaying gear anymore

Yeah, goodbye STR tanks who barely had any HP and never enjoyed proper cooldown use.

And goodbye to the STR tanks who liked to harass me for rolling on my STR accessories whenever I was MNK or DRG like they were entitled to them.

And goodbye to the tank that I was who had to penta meld just to have two sets of tanking gear because tomestones are a pain and melding was better anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Said it in game already, but a bit more ain't enough

They flat out said that slaying accessories would be trash for tanks, to the point where any mix of slaying/fending accessory (even just one slaying ring) would be a dps loss. Don't count on it

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Yeah. Hopefully they quit slapping Parry onto all of our damn equipment sometime soon. -.-

As a healer main and a reasonably good blm, brd and mch, I found competent str tanks to be better to work with, they had a much easier time holding hate and they helped kill things faster.

Bad tanks are gonna be bad no matter what accessories they're wearing. From those idiots who think they can tank entire dungeons in deliverance, to not using enough (or any) aoe when you have a ranged and/or caster, to standing in every single aoe.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Yeah. Hopefully they quit slapping Parry onto all of our damn equipment sometime soon. -.-

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Or make it worth a damn.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Yeah. Hopefully they quit slapping Parry onto all of our damn equipment sometime soon. -.-

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On that note, Parry better not be on any accessories here on out.

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

On that note, Parry better not be on any accessories here on out.

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I refer you to my reply some moments before.... ;)

So, now that we are done with STR tanks, let's move on to DEX BLM's.

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Originally Posted by Vele

As a healer main and a reasonably good blm, brd and mch, I found competent str tanks to be better to work with, they had a much easier time holding hate and they helped kill things faster.

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I will probably get some hate for this comment but.

I feel that the reason more str tanks seemed to know what they were doing instead of vit tanks is because if someone is new to the game and don't know anything about it vit seems like a logic choice to go for as a tank.

So therefore you had most of the new tanks rocking vit and most of the experienced ones who know what they were doing using str gear as they knew they didn't need that much HP for anything in the game currently and the extra str was more beneficial.

Just my opinion on that though.

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Originally Posted by Lethallin

That would be incredibly foolish. Even if STR and VIT have .5 AP each, VIT has lower weight to it on gear, and will therefore have more of it on them then a similar STR piece. AttackPower is so incredibly more powerful then DET/CRIT/Whatever, that even a few more AP is worth a lot of Det/Crit/etc.

Plus, you'd be giving up a lot of HP for an EXTREMELY marginal DPS increase, if they even gave a DPS increase in the first place, which would be really silly to do.

If the split is even more biased towards VIT then STR, it would certainly be a DPS loss to use STR, doesn't matter what the secondaries are.

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Thing is, we don`t know how the damage calculation is going to be, if VIT will be REALLY superior to STR, then yeah, but i have read on the forums that its probably going to probably be a 50/50 split, which, considering you just reminded me there is an even more irrelevant stat than parry, HP, will totally make sense to get rid of any VIT/parry accesory in trade of a STR/Det-crit-skill speed one.

Now if the split becomes 70/30 for VIT/STR, now thats a diferent matter.

And i still don`t know where this "forget about DPS" thing comes from, Tanks will still do DPS, the only thing changing will be the formula, any WAR running Deliverance and carrying bad DPS through duties today will keep doing it tomorrow. It might happen that they just get a bit more HP from it all, and not a relevant amount that is.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Thing is, we don`t know how the damage calculation is going to be, if VIT will be REALLY superior to STR, then yeah, but i have read on the forums that its probably going to probably be a 50/50 split, which, considering you just reminded me there is an even more irrelevant stat than parry, HP, will totally make sense to get rid of any VIT/parry accesory in trade of a STR/Det-crit-skill speed one.

Now if the split becomes 70/30 for VIT/STR, now thats a diferent matter.

And i still don`t know where this "forget about DPS" thing comes from, Tanks will still do DPS, the only thing changing will be the formula, any WAR running Deliverance and carrying bad DPS through duties today will keep doing it tomorrow. It might happen that they just get a bit more HP from it all, and not a relevant amount that is.

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I am expecting something more like STR=DET =~0.2 VIT

Yoshi has clearly said that tanks will do less damage in 3.2 than they do now (that is VIT 3.2 < STR 3.15). However, due to the ilvl increases, tanks will still get more powerful.

Goodbye Strength tanks, a viable variation of the trinity that stretched the mold but the playerbase that cries out for variety squashed with complaints ;w;

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Goodbye Strength tanks, a viable variation of the trinity that stretched the mold but the playerbase that cries out for variety squashed with complaints ;w;

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b...but think of the poor healers..

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Goodbye Strength tanks, a viable variation of the trinity that stretched the mold but the playerbase that cries out for variety squashed with complaints ;w;

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<3 this. And all the salty people in this thread who go "BAI STR TANKS, HAHA" when what they're really saying is "Thank god we're getting rid of players who actually push themselves to tank well AND max their damage, bring on the bads who turtle!"

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

So, now that we are done with STR tanks, let's move on to DEX BLM's.

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DEX what ? O_O

I heard about muscle BLMs, but DEX BLMs is a first

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I am expecting something more like STR=DET =~0.2 VIT

Yoshi has clearly said that tanks will do less damage in 3.2 than they do now (that is VIT 3.2 < STR 3.15). However, due to the ilvl increases, tanks will still get more powerful.

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If yoshi said that, well, we can foresee a few points drops on tank logs across parsers, but nothing terrible, if anything, this game never does anything "extreme". Full Cleave was 10k yesterday, it will be maybe 9.5k tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

DEX what ? O_O

I heard about muscle BLMs, but DEX BLMs is a first

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Haha, yes they exist! Never know when you're going to find one.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

If yoshi said that, well, we can foresee a few points drops on tank logs across parsers, but nothing terrible, if anything, this game never does anything "extreme". Full Cleave was 10k yesterday, it will be maybe 9.5k tomorrow.

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Yes.

Hum, yoshida said that a vit tank on 3.2 doing less damage than a 3.1 str tank, so you dont have finish yet with str tank hahahahahaha :)

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Hum, yoshida said that a vit tank on 3.2 doing less damage than a 3.1 str tank, so you dont have finish yet with str tank hahahahahaha :)

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Yes we are, because the STR tank after 3.2 mayaswell not even be using accessories at all.

As someone who used to spend 2+ Mil on melds every patch since BCoB, carried full VIT and STR sets on top of it: Good freaking riddance.

We, the few good tanks that actually knew when to roll any stat will continue to be awesome. The shepple that went Full VIT or full STR for every occasion will continue to be bad, but less of a buden. My SCH can't be any happier that I get to DPS again on dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

<3 this. And all the salty people in this thread who go "BAI STR TANKS, HAHA" when what they're really saying is "Thank god we're getting rid of players who actually push themselves to tank well AND max their damage, bring on the bads who turtle!"

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Look at it from the playerbase perspective: The large majority of their interaction with STR tanks where shepple that had no clue what they where doing, went STR, and did worse than a VIT specced tank would. A bad VIT tank might lose hate, but a bad STR tank was a true nightmare: It costed healer DPS and it died easier, and most of the time the damage added wouldn't offset the lost from healers.

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

On that note, Parry better not be on any accessories here on out.

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b-but...I like my 774 parry... :(
That feeling when you Parry 4 Heavenly Heels in 1 Thordan run. #feelsgood
With that said though. If a group ever did have trouble with dps checks, I would go full slaying.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I refer you to my reply some moments before.... ;)

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More than likely posted simultaneously ;D

Well I'm done Fakarhani at the lab for the day, so I'll be logging out soon. It's been great mourning this together, a big middle finger to all who came here to post "BYE STR TANKS hahahaha(derp)" because you're hosers, and I'll cross my fingers that the PVP burst potential doesn't become super weak and all I've personally received is a HP padded quilt to absorb my tears.

I think this sums up the feelings of the true heroes here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n8TuSVmOrw

I've never had any trouble keeping aggro, nor playing my tanks to the fullest extent in Str or Vit gear. So imma just keep tanking and say goodbye to 3.1.

Good thing I had all those extra Bolts so I could buy VIT accs.
I was sort of having fun with my STR tank. I'd only go with healers I knew, though.... my HP was less than my BRD's. It was "hilarious".

Everyone acting like good tanks won't still do great damage.

Slightly less than current str tanks, sure, but nothing to get upset over.

Gonna have to do all the dungeons tonight as one last hoo-rah before retiring my str acc :[

I've been a STR tank since 2.2 and have greatly enjoyed it. However, I am happy to see it go for one reason only... I can now actually roll on the accessories I want when they drop instead of waiting for the melee to get them all first and then getting the scraps that were left over.

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Originally Posted by Squrilruler

Gonna have to do all the dungeons tonight as one last hoo-rah before retiring my str acc :[

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You know the patch starts in a little more than 2 hours right?

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Originally Posted by Alahra

I'm so ready to forget them. >.>

Good STR tanks were a great addition to any dungeon, but the bad ones made my healing life miserable, far more than bad VIT ones ever did.

Good tanks will now no longer need to pack two sets of gear, and their damage, while lowering somewhat, will probably end up being comparable to pentamelded accessories (but without the massive gil cost associated with them). Overall, I think this is a much needed and welcome change.

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This. A thousand times this. Also they won't be fighting dps for accessories they shouldn't have. SE should have taken the extra step and put job restrictions on accessories.

RIP STR tanks

Your Sacrifice shall never be forgotten.

Farewell Good Strength Tanks. As a DPS and Healer I always appreciated you.
Killing bosses will never be the same. D:

/salute

Not sure if you are stupid, or just being silly. They have said so many times that VIT will be part of the formula for tank's dps, that by now all worries about losing a big chunk of dps should be dispelled.

RIP gents. It's been a hell of a ride.

I hope strenght tanking never comes back.

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Originally Posted by AzuraWinters

Not sure if you are stupid, or just being silly. They have said so many times that VIT will be part of the formula for tank's dps, that by now all worries about losing a big chunk of dps should be dispelled.

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but they also said tank dps WILL be lower

"The overall damage of a 3.2 VIT Tank will be lower than a 3.15 STR Tank"

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...terview_recap/

we will know it for sure in like 12 hours :O

Meh, now you can actually play tank as intended, and there is still Crit gear out there to make Fell Cleave nice. DPS players can stop yelling at healers for not "Keeping them alive" when they are a terrible tank that doesn't pop CD's, pulls a whole room an then dies because they "deal great tank damage." Ya... good riddance, nothing to miss here. Now trash DPS tanks have to learn how to play tank, or get out of the class they didn't belong in to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Tint

but they also said tank dps WILL be lower

"The overall damage of a 3.2 VIT Tank will be lower than a 3.15 STR Tank"

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...terview_recap/

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this honestly just makes me irritated, with every other job/class they will be getting more damage getting more gear, tanks are going to be doing less damage than current, which means holding agro will be harder, and there will be no actual feel of progressing and feeling like you get stronger with the gear. It sucks. I enjoyed str tanking a lot, really pushed the boundries between me and my healers during A3s and A4s but oh well we got our clears while it was still possible.