So...about that white magitek mount

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Originally Posted by Mature

People NEED to understand something, it is OPTIONAL. You don't HAVE to have it , you don't HAVE to have it and you don't HAVE to pay for it.

It is OPTIONAL....

I am gonna buy it cause I like it . It's my choice as I'm not bothered as to how much it is. I don't have to have it but I want it.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

*Insert post of someone then saying they are happy they purchased their $200 title and you shouldn't complain because it's optional*

Always one.

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Everytime.

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Originally Posted by Hypnotic13371337

Any reason that you have to pay for it instead of taking advantage of the new Undersized party feature in Heavensward and making it an insanely low drop rate from Castrum Meridianum's Livia Sas Junius? (I'm talking like 1%-5%)

Maybe give us something to farm while waiting for resets, either on our own or with parties, AND an optional recolor mogshop mount? (not having the white in mogshop and having a red and a different color in the shop)

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It would incline rush parties to be invented often in that place, also having new players being forced (more) to skip cutscenes. Good move imo

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Good point.

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Even though that's a slippery slope I still think it's a reasonable slippery slope argument. As making cosmetic things really hard to get would increase impatient people to buy. But that's business IMO. And as I said hopefully the ingame items you obtain can have something very tiny special added to it. Like white mount you buy? Same as in game... Except in game let's you shoot out of it and you get a afterburner effect when you fly. That way even if you DO make it 1,300 castrum runs. There is still a reason to get it in game. And those who play the longest will get that reward slowly but surely

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

Even though that's a slippery slope I still think it's a reasonable slippery slope argument.

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I don't feel that taking an issue at hand and making the situation over 15x worse in one fell swoop is a reasonable slippery slope. It's just a cliff used to push people off in order to say you are right and they are wrong.

Not saying this that these mounts shouldn't drop from bosses but...exactly how many people are actually running the current Primals for ponies now?

I mean, a short term bump in their play wouldn't be a bad thing but eventually it would tapper off anyway.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Just want to pop in to say that the red and white Magitek mounts are the most hilarious status symbols I've ever seen. You are literally riding around on a mount you spent 20$ on that everyone else in the game got for free, but in a different color. All this shows is that you have no idea what you're doing with your money and will literally buy anything SE shells out. I hope it was worth it.

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it was very much worth every dime =D I know very well what I do with my money. Rent, Bills, food costs, I then budget for "entertainment" that entails game subs (Since I'm currently subbed to WoW as well), movie theaters, new video games, or anything else that I'll enjoy. Said cash shop things on occasion when there's nothing else that interests me might get bought up. Just because I buy a mount from cash shop, doesn't mean I'm not handling my money intelligently. All of you people that "hate" the "cash shop" seem to be incapable of comprehending the fact of personal budgeting. Don't like it, don't buy it, but NOTHING gives you the right to judge other people for THEIR personal entertainment costs.

All this crap is because you guys made a huge commotion about GIMME FANTASIA NOW.... Remember.

Now you pay the price, this is what ppl warned you guys about, so don't complain.
It your own faults, I am sure we can find 90% of your names, the ones complaining, supporting the GIMME FANTASIA NOW threads.

We said that would comeback to haunt you.

You guys opened pandoras box. So stop complaining and pay for what you want now.

I think the reason SE hasn't put these mounts in Cast/Prae (besides $$$) is because if they did, people would complain that "Ugggh I had to run Praetorium 9,000 times and can't get the mount to drop!" or "Waaah I have to grind like crazy to hit 300 Prae runs to get this stupid mount. WHY CANT I JUST BUY IT." We hate grinds and we hate abysmal drop rates but when the thing is introduced to the cash shop, these are suddenly the things people want!

Making this a Castrum Meridianum drop would be horrible. People we farm it just like the EX primes, which would only worsen the experience for new players as they could well get kicked for slowing down farm groups.

I don't really get all the hate towards people buying cosmetics in a cash shop. I could choose to spend a grand in the cash shop every year and barely notice it financially, so who cares? I really doubt anyone is doing it to be "better" than the next person, and I can sympathize with completionists wanting to keep the comprehensive set of mounts or cosmetic glamour gear.

Seriously, people spend more money on much sillier things than this.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Funny how everyone on this forum works in IT department or as a game developer, producer or sociologist.

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Well if it makes you feel better, I currently work for a grocery chain and have been for the last 17 years. I have nothing to brag about school wise since I didn't enter college.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Making this a Castrum Meridianum drop would be horrible. People we farm it just like the EX primes, which would only worsen the experience for new players as they could well get kicked for slowing down farm groups.

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Is this just a NA thing? or does this happen everywhere?
New players can just make a report for abusing the kick feature can't they? People should be more selfaware if they're running story content in duty finder.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Funny how everyone on this forum works in IT department or as a game developer, producer or sociologist.

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Is it that much of a shocker that a bunch of professional tech geeks play video games online?

Also, I'm a regular software engineer (who admittedly would love to work on game engines if the Boston area ever got a real game industry) so I guess I get a free pass :P

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Funny how everyone on this forum works in IT department or as a game developer, producer or sociologist.

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I've been on these forums for a while and this is not at all the trend I have seen.

First, I have not seen anyone else state they are or have been an actual game developer asides from me. I have seen a few people say they are in school for or are taking game development classes, but that is completely different than actually having worked in the industry.
There may have been some people that said this that I have missed but it is definitely not even close to a majority.

As for people working in IT, its not surprising considering that techie people are often drawn both to IT jobs and to video games. Also IT jobs are a huge subcategory of the modern job market with many subsets under it, so with how many people in general these days work in something that could be labelled as IT related, encountering these people will happen fairly often.

I haven't seen anyone say they are a sociologist, but I have seen people that were in college bring up doing a project or paper for a sociology class, often about gaming trends in certain societal groups. Again, taking a course in college does not equate to being a professional in the field.

Overall the two main general occupation groups that I have seen forum members mention being a part of are retail and IT, both of which are a pretty large portion of the job market so is to be expected for the most part.

P.S. If your comment was intended as facetious, well people acting as if they are authorities on such things on a video game forum, particularly a MMO, is par for the course.

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Originally Posted by Mature

People NEED to understand something, it is OPTIONAL. You don't HAVE to have it , you don't HAVE to have it and you don't HAVE to pay for it.

It is OPTIONAL....

I am gonna buy it cause I like it . It's my choice as I'm not bothered as to how much it is. I don't have to have it but I want it.

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Playing the game is simply optional too and that's where the problem lies with that wonderful word. It can be applied to anything within the game and the only difference between whether you agree with me or not will simply come down to where your tolerance for these optional services ends.

They could rent retainers. Doesn't matter as you can still do business without any in shout and party finder.
They could start selling 500% exp pots. Doesn't matter as you can still level the normal way and give yourself a pat on the back for doing it the way it was meant to be done.
They could start selling max level crafting. Doesn't matter since you'll get the feel of how crafting works while leveling up normally.
They could sell you a handy zodiac weapon package that can skip the previous steps of the relic weapon quests so you can enjoy the current step at it's best.
They could start selling sets that were tuned to meet dps checks. Doesn't matter since it's merely giving your group the peace of mind that they don't have to farm dungeons daily in order to experience their raid content as it was meant to be. For those that don't want to pay then you can simply pay with time by grinding

In the end they can sell all these things. Yes, there will be backlash if they did but it still very much keeps up with the optional theme that they've taken. Which is why it bothers me when people just point to the OPTIONAL word in their marketing and tell us that nothing could possibly go wrong because the marketing department told us it wouldn't.

PS The hairstyle was a gift from a close friend before you jump on that and call me hypocritical.

I support everything that they've placed in the cash shop so far. Why? Because it goes to the game. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I'd like them to discuss what they are (now) going to put that money towards.

I hope you guys haven't seen Payday 2 if you are strongly against optional items.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

The thing you NEED to understand is that it's not only OPTIONAL, it's that you pay for OPTIONAL stuff on a game with a monthly sub. Also, it's $12 for a reskin (and a reskin that existed in the game already for that model).

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I pay $170 a month for TV and Internet.. But I still have to pay $5 or whatever for a pay per view movie. (which I don't, but the point is still the same.. Monthly sub doesn't include "optional" items)

I will firstly say that my red baron was a gift and I was strongly against it, but my friend and I decided to have one of each so I accepted it the gift: I didn't want to accept it at first but thanks to her I've been restarting to play so, it's the least I can do.

But with that said, I am against this idea of selling "recolored" mounts (let's face it, it's a recolor) and mainly because this will make them think that we will buy anything. But I suppose this is a Final Fantasy afterall...

If anything, I'm wondering what people would do when SE will put private housing on the mogstation for real money charged upon your current subscription. It's optional so you don't have to buy it, even though it's terribly made.

But it's optional right?

R-r-right?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I hope you guys haven't seen Payday 2 if you are strongly against optional items.

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They have soaked me for so much DLC. Granted I wait for Steam sales, but still.....

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

If anything, I'm wondering what people would do when SE will put private housing on the mogstation for real money charged upon your current subscription. It's optional so you don't have to buy it, even though it's terribly made.

But it's optional right?

R-r-right?

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Can we change that from "private housing" to "gardening instances" and tell me where to send all my money?

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Originally Posted by Cherie

This mount was purely designed as something to sell. It's just like the scion costumes.

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I'm pretty sure the scion costumes were designed so that our friends wouldn't be naked. And Livia's mount was designed so she wouldn't be floating in mid-air in an invisible vehicle, like Wonder Woman.

So yeah, this game would be better without these items. Naked Yda and invisible jets.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

This mount was purely designed as something to sell. It's just like the scion costumes.

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I don't want to look like I'm an expert in glamour but, aside for Minfillia costume, you can reproduce most of the costumes from the Scion with in-game items. Heck, I've seen people cosplaying as Yda many times already.

Yes these costumes can be used on anything unlike those glamoured models, but this just shows that they aren't exactly the best designed outfits ever if you can reproduce them with in-game features: we are essentially paying for a bunch of in-game items that are class-free, which is something that they could've done by themselves (I still want my WVR outfit glamoured...)

The same thing is for the mount as well: we are paying essentially for a recolor, something that it's already in game for the chocobo (although very annoyingly so: why can't I just pay with gil? Gilsink already!) and overall a constant feature that's updated for new outfits. But not these two mounts? What's next, selling recolored weapons? Additional color and details for character customization (OH PLEASE I HOPE NOT...)

Again, my red baron was a gift, a gift that I didn't want to accept but it would be rude not to. But even then, both me and my friend acknowledge this shady act.

I mean, I sorta get there's an expectation of certain things when you pay for a monthly subscription.. But, if you think about the fact that somebody did actually have to do that work, then by claiming they shouldn't charge for it that's kinda like saying somebody shouldn't be paid for their work. And that's not what you think, is it? Furthermore, these are all mainly glamour items. I don't consider my monthly sub a charge for glamour, it's for the game that I'm actually playing, the content, dungeons, raids, trials, quests, etc etc. I think SE has done a commendable job keeping the cash shop limited to simply glamour type items, nothing that breaks the game itself. It's totally separate.

I completely agree with the OP. They could be using these things to improve the quality of the game while still making money with optional items. As the OP said, implement one in game, one on the Mog Station. Everyone's happy.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

I will firstly say that my red baron was a gift and I was strongly against it, but my friend and I decided to have one of each so I accepted it the gift: I didn't want to accept it at first but thanks to her I've been restarting to play so, it's the least I can do.

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Relax, you don't need to justify accepting a gift or even purchasing something from the cash shop.

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But with that said, I am against this idea of selling "recolored" mounts (let's face it, it's a recolor).

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I've bought a fair number of things from the cash shop (slepnir, minions, fantasia), but I'm probably giving these a miss for this reason. Someone said the music was different, do they have different animations or is it the same as the standard magitek?

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If anything, I'm wondering what people would do when SE will put private housing on the mogstation for real money charged upon your current subscription. It's optional so you don't have to buy it, even though it's terribly made.

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I can't see them ever doing this. Gating instanced housing behind the Vundu beast tribe quests? Maybe. Putting it in the cash shop seems a huge leap from their current behavior with the cash shop.

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But it's optional right?

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Yup. It truly is optional.

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R-r-right?

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Honest and for-true. The white and red magiteks aren't necessary in the game. They're just a pretty recolor of an existing mount. If you like it and want to spend the money (or accept the gift), go for it. Otherwise don't.

Sounds like someone is mad.

http://i.imgur.com/2u1JNsf.jpg

Personally was an early Christmas gift to myself.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Sounds like someone is mad.

http://i.imgur.com/2u1JNsf.jpg

Personally was an early Christmas gift to myself.

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I just saw one today and that thing GLOWS. I'm getting mine as soon as I get home.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

I just saw one today and that thing GLOWS. I'm getting mine as soon as I get home.

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I may have to amend my earlier statement. Those may end up on my mount list.

I'll be honest the glow is a side benefit but I have always loved the White magitek, couldn't say no as soon as I saw it. :D

So I've been keeping tabs on these topics and they all sound the same. It sounds like it comes down to two things:

1. Re-Skins not being available in game, but for money
2. Future of items being implemented for Cash Shop

Mostly the former than the latter. For what reason? Because these people complaining also want the mount, but don't want to spend extra money on it. Now that's your decision to do so, much like it's people who wish to buy the mounts without a care in the world. Playing Devil's Advocate, why not pay the extra money to help support SE's future(seeing we know XIV's success is being used for other projects anyway)? People will complain one way or another even if it was in-game. Ponies were asked twenty times over to be raised on rates. People complained about Twintania being available through Recruit a Friend(not cash Shop, but hey, not in game. SE is evil).

As other posters mentioned, all you did was pay for a membership to access the club. What other additional features that are in the club may or may not be included. You have perhaps years of content potentially at your disposal for your subscription, so, what is the issue for a business trying to make a little extra, I wonder? As I mentioned to some people in game, it's literally a day's worth meal at best unless you're being super saving with cash(which playing XIV may not be in the best of interests).

Sleipnir should have dropped off of Odin. These should have been obtainable in-game. Cash shops are the ultimate casual garbage. "I don't want to actually play the game to get stuff, I just want it mailed to me."

Here's a quick list of possible places they could have put these reskins:

Achievement: Help 50 players get their first clear of Castrum Meridianum
Drop: Minstrel's Ballad: Castrum Meridianum
A new quest line
Crafting
Free Company crafting
Just make the regular magitek mount dye-able like Chocobos.


I don't even want the mounts, but there's a clear flow of things in MMORPGs. Subscription->Content->Rewards. This skips the content, which is what you're actually supposed to be paying for.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

If anything, I'm wondering what people would do when SE will put private housing on the mogstation for real money charged upon your current subscription. It's optional so you don't have to buy it, even though it's terribly made.

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As someone who doesn't mind the cash shop, nor care much about personal housing even if it was all nice right now, I would defintly be on the protest side with this, and I'm pretty sure most players regardless of region would not put up with it. I'd actually consider that to be P2W honestly.

That said again, I don't mind what they have done with the cash shop so far, beyond that I wish we had a bit more put into atleast the Gold Saucer instead. Also again, if 4-man dungeons/raids become a thing a Castrum/Prae should be the first two and have the mounts as very rare drops.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Sleipnir should have dropped off of Odin. These should have been obtainable in-game. Cash shops are the ultimate casual garbage. "I don't want to actually play the game to get stuff, I just want it mailed to me."

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Whenever they add in Urth's Fount EX (or whatever the next Odin fight is eventually called), Sleipnir should be added with a drop rate atleast as low as original ponies, and said drop rate should never increase because its in the cash shop. Also would be a good time to add in flying function for it.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Sleipnir should have dropped off of Odin. These should have been obtainable in-game. Cash shops are the ultimate casual garbage. "I don't want to actually play the game to get stuff, I just want it mailed to me."

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Oh please. The game as a majority is casual beyond belief. These items are nothing but glamour and do nothing but such. I don't know about you, but I earned my 12/24 bucks or however much I want to spend on that cash shop in real life. God forbid someone wants to buy themselves or someone else something nice with their hard earned work.

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

The game as a majority is casual beyond belief. These items are nothing but glamour and do nothing but such.

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Exactly. They regularly release content that rewards nothing BUT glamours (read: every dungeon released since 2.1, the entirety of Gold Saucer). Glamours are rewards for doing content in the game. Primals drop horses. Paying for stuff like this instead is basically just skipping actually doing stuff so you can idle in Lavender Beds or whatever looking pretty.

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I don't know about you, but I earned my 12/24 bucks or however much I want to spend on that cash shop in real life. God forbid someone wants to buy themselves or someone else something nice with their hard earned work.

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Again, "I don't want to play the game, just let me buy it."

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

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Since this is a mount issue, this is two mounts(technically 4 if you count Sleip and Twin), available outside of game means. Against how many already available to us? Someone give me the number. 3 of which you can pay if you want them. 1 you just recruit others. Uhh, no. Glamours may be the rewards for most of what's being done, but SE certainly hasn't said that would be the only place you would find them. That is something you and many others deduced and believed to be the truth. In turn, shame on SE for doing something that betrayed your beliefs.

And how does that statement translate into that? That's some whack translation job there. Anyone who buys things is a pushover? That's a cool deduction, yo. Next you're gonna tell me the people that buy cash shop junk buy gil too.

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

And how does that statement translate into that?

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How about this, then: other than paying for a subscription and buying the game, why should any amount of money you have in real life mean anything in-game? Glamours, mounts, and titles are most of the rewards you get for doing content in this game. It's all about cosmetic stuff because stats are fleeting. When you are able to buy these rewards that means the game has become pay2win.

Would it be okay to sell cosmetic-only High Allagan gear in the cash shop?
Would it be okay to sell new emotes and dances in the cash shop? Hairstyles? Titles?

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

Mostly the former than the latter.. . . Playing Devil's Advocate, why not pay the extra money to help support SE's future(seeing we know XIV's success is being used for other projects anyway)? People will complain one way or another even if it was in-game.

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Because I don't want to support this future that SE is heading towards. SE has already fallen down the slippery slope once with paid content, with All the Bravest. Remember that? That game was received abysmally worldwide and was "pay to do anything at all" while also being pay to play - seeing the results of that game, your whole "club" argument falls extremely flat, because they can be also be used for that game as well.

Cash shop debates are nothing more than beating a dead horse and I won't bother, but the fact is, prices in this particular cash shop have gotten progressively more expensive over time because SE knows people are willing to buy them - that doesn't mean they should be becoming more expensive. There's no effort being put into this; these mounts are not content that takes much time to make - look at any game that supports modding and you'll see things that take far more time and effort than a recolor. In fact, the mods, free content that do recolor often retexture entirely, making them look cleaner overall.

Also, I don't mind spending $12 on a game, but if I'm going to spend $12, it's going to be on something I can actually play, not something that makes me look pretty for a week before I get bored with it and start using other mounts.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

How about this, then: other than paying for a subscription and buying the game, why should any amount of money you have in real life mean anything in-game?

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This goes by person to person because some people see value differently. I personally do not care. If it is something I want, I'll go for it. If it is not, then I won't. It's nothing more simple than that and it should be for everyone else. However, MOST people reasoning for these complaints is more because they WANT the mount too, but are blocked by a pay wall. So, to me, getting upset about not being able to get what you want because it isn't free is nothing more than a child not getting their way.

This isn't pay to win. You're not winning anything. I hate when people try to associate that when it's not boosting anything. I'm not expert in mobile games, but THOSE are your pay to wins depending on the game. Or something like PSO2 even. There's no advantage to having these mounts at all. They do nothing but one thing...Play Steel Reason. That. Is. All. Your other examples? They do nothing but provide an alternate look. Do they do anything to anyone else's gameplay? No. The only thing that happens is people being petty that they can not have it too.

But if I don't get the next hottest glamour, then I can't win at looking pretty, can I?