I actually agree with this. The story keeps me content but the system backing it is not the best. But!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvin
The dev team has said they're actually aware of this; that their quest system only supports limited tasks, and they're worried about players getting sick of it, and they're trying to expand its capabilities.
For this reason, though, I abhorred the relic quests. Pure grindy time sinks. I wish they were more like an epic journey, which the i80 part was a bit closer to. Sadly, by all indications, the new relics will be the same...
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11-07-2015, 05:00 AMRisvertasashi
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11-07-2015, 05:03 AMElvin
Aye!
The original relic quest, the one ilvl 80, when you had to defeat the 3 hard mode primals, was a good approach. Not that dificult, but a bit dificult. Not so long, but not that short. You also had quimera and those things...
Making you do boring things 200 hours to get Z was a bad approach. -
11-07-2015, 05:04 AMMagisWell back in XI it was a mix of fetch, battle, farm, and bosses. Thing is Yoshi designed the story quests as bare minimum content so that "no player would be left behind". This also means the content is a quick thrill with no punch to it. At the same time, nothing interesting will ever be done to it because the playerbase has already been spoiled. Look what happened when they made Steps of Faith slightly harder and not faceroll. Mass complaints as if SE just made Savage Alex part of the MSQ. So don't expect anything from the gameplay aspect of the MSQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvin
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11-07-2015, 06:34 AMNovaLevossidaThat's not even a simplification of the story quest in some cases. That's literally the quest chain leading up to Titan. There's a lot of quests put in here not to be interesting but rather to take up time and fulfill a content quota.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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11-07-2015, 07:36 AMWinterLuna
$10 to $15 will buy you a movie ticket but you wouldn't pay for that movie if you didn't want to watch it and if you didn't enjoy it you'd either complain or wouldn't go and see it again. You can't compare paying a sub to that.
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11-07-2015, 08:05 AMStanelisHow many hours of uninteresting sidequests (such as finding moogles and the like of them) which are of no value both gameplay wise and storyline wise ?Quote:
To get your first job from 50 to 60 (assuming you're actually playing the job, reading the text and not rushing to endgame) will legitimately take you roughly 50 to 60 hours if you're clearing the sidequests along the way.
How many hours spent repeating the same dungeons to grind for 2 different types of tomestones over 5 months ?
How many hours spent running around the areas zerging hunt mobs which are only sightly buffed version of regular monsters ?
How many hours spent wiping on poorly designed and overtuned raiding encounters ?
The quantity isn't what matter, what matter is the quality of the time you spend on the game. Currently the ratio of time spent on FFXIV versus gameplay quality is near 0 on FFXIV. -
11-07-2015, 08:26 AMKosmos992kHang on right there. Pretty much every JRPG I have ever played features extensiveuse of fetch quests, gather information from various NPCs, tour the world, etc. This is a standard, and hardly remarkable feature of FFXIV and RPGs in general. It doesn't matter how it gets dressed up, a fetch quest is a fetch quest, etc... I've played games that claimed that they had done away with such things, only to find that in fact they had simply reframed traditional fetch quests, and all the usual cliche events, in a way that let the developer claim revolution, when in fact all they'd done was cloak them. This is a story driven game, thats just the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvin
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11-07-2015, 10:19 AMLexiaActually you can and is a perfect example if you didn't like the movie you not going to watch it again. If person doesn't like the game why do they continue to keep playing it? It been 2 years and a expansion release doesn't look like they changing their playbook.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterLuna
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11-07-2015, 10:26 AMWinterLunaBut the title of this thread is 'People who expect too much from a monthly subscription kill this game'? What is he asking for, a better game or for people to stop complaining? The entire thread is very contradictory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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11-07-2015, 10:49 AMAzazua_azura
as someone who is on the road to clear 2.0-2.55 for a third time. it isn't that long at all.
i play mmo cuz games have raised in price but provide less content. I beat most games in 3 days, some it make take me a week.
I'm from a generation where it took u a week or a mnth to fully beat a game, and games like morrowind u could invest into play it a year and still not see everything. I'm not gonna play 60 dollors on a game to beat in 3 days only to spend another 30-60 in dlc that barely adds much to the game.
It sad that this guy stated leveling is too long. Why not play dcuo, max cap is 30 you reach it in 3 days playing 5 hrs a week, you don't rely on other players at all. infact if you sub to the game u get free token to buy cash shop items such as reply badges to circumvent raid lock outs. -
11-07-2015, 05:12 PMGreven
Well, they nerf things a lot after the contents are out. With the last patches you can see that they are making the catch up faster. The levelling too. Once you reach lv60 and more or less up to date gear you'll notice that 5 hours are enough to enjoy new content.
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11-07-2015, 07:04 PMAzazua_azura
should look up an old anime episode called xxxholic there was an episode about a lady with an internet addiction. she would do social site, games, forums anything. the lady new she had a problem because she was forsaking you family and parental duties.
the main character pointed out something that in reality holds very true, duty and responsibility is something we force on ourselves due to outward appearences. We do not seek to look irresponsible, under what is the social norm.
In reality, we do not need to follow the social norm, we just choose too.Pretty much stating you don't need to spend time with your family, you just choose to. You don't need to go out, you just choose to. This is due to the social norm of it is resposibility of caring for your family and going out to be active.
the character pretty much stated that, because the lady was using excuses to try an stop saying she was being a bad wife and mother.
The main character then stated if you wamt to stop bad enough stop for yourself, not for your family, or friends or anyone.
to sum up what i mean by this, is you are choosing only to spend 5 hours a week on the game, so please stop using it as an excuse to change the game.
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11-07-2015, 07:24 PMRiardon
The game is fine as it is. If you have only 5 hours to play in a week then you should reconsider playing MMORPG's sorry but that's the truth. No you don't have to play every day and forget real life but 5 hours is per week do not expect the game to adapt to you. As for single player game well good luck trying to beat Witcher 3 with 5 hours per week. Most of the "registered" characters are inactive players and alts. Too long to reach the content? What do you mean. You are in the content the moment you start paying the game. Don't understand why some people want to rush straight to the max lvl like an apocalypse will happen then. If you do not enjoy the lvling procedure then the game won't be suddenly fun at lvl 60. The goal is not to reach lvl 60 but enjoy your every minute in it. If not then maybe that game is not for you.
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11-07-2015, 08:40 PMelemental10Boom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riardon
To further elaborate this in my opinion, my first job getting to 60 was very enjoyable. I enjoyed the challenges and content. They are enough for me. The other stuff like raids and extreme primals and everything is just extra content in my eyes. They're there if I choose to play them.
Even if I put myself with 5 hours of gameplay every week, I would still enjoy the main quests and the stories.
Right now, I'm just grinding my other jobs to 60 but it's not really a priority. I log in nowadays for dailies, pretty much.