More Difficult Single Player Content Please

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Originally Posted by kazeandi

No, no permanent death.

It would be a personal thing, you could do it solo (or with companion) and push your limits.
You could also obtain gear similar to raid stuff at levels of difficulty equivalent to the skill needed in raids, maybe slightly worse, so raids don't run into trouble recruiting members.
Not everyone of us is bad just because we don't raid.

They already have a single player experience in the game with the MSQ, but the story has an end and has to be expanded with every content patch. Such a dungeon wouldn't. It would give you something else to do, open up a new option. Options are always good, as long as they present a proper purpose.

It would also be optional.

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Roguelikes don't always have permadeath. For example, Baroque. You just lost all your progress and anything you didn't have stored when you die, and had to start Neuro Tower all over again, but everything was.. different.

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Originally Posted by pushin_tin

Job quests...legendary Rogue quest

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Talk about apples to oranges.

FFXIV, to get new skills and spells as you level, you have to go through a Job Quest.

WoW, new skills and spells = handover a few gold coins.

The real missed opportunity is going to be 3.1 relic quest lines!

WoW new skills = level. No paying trainers. Not for combat skills.

Now stuff like green fire?

4k gold, 220+ attempts and 3 15 hour days.

F Kanrethad.

#greenfireftw

you guys remember ff7 gold saucer. there was a mini game that had you fight waves of increasingly difficult badies. this would be easy to implement and tho its not the be all end all its a start. have it reward marks or consumables or titles or whatever.

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Originally Posted by raela

Easy way to make job quests harder: gimp yourself in gear. I did the level 30 DRK quest in only a cowl, and struggled with some of the quests when I had gear that was several levels behind. Plus, as mentioned, there are things like maps and undersized dungeons. The game gives you ways to make your own challenges.

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That's not really a solution though, isn't it?

I mean, if I was having trouble in the bedroom, what would you suggest?
That I only wear a leather cap and nothing el...
That I handicap myself and just tie my arms behind my ba...
What if I just try and perform while wearing a blindfo...

Yeah, you know what? Nevermind. That might work.

I can get behind this because I have no one to blame but myself If I can't beat a instance fight.

i think they need to add more mobs with unique attacks hat you're actually scared to get hit with. I remember always fleeing from tonberrys in ff so I didn't get hit with everyone's grudge same with cactuars and the 10000 needles if they have attacks that you know you have to watch out for I think it would increase the experience of a lot of ppl

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

The player has been trained to master their job. Make them use those skills.

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I can't help being reminded of the AST job quests (since I'm suffering through that one rn)... go to spot X, talk to A, go to spot Y, talk to A again, go to spot Z, talk to B, cast Aspected Benefic, cast Aspected Benefic, cast Aspected Benefic, go to spot X again, talk to B again - and so on and so on. Yeah..........

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Originally Posted by Xeonerable_Mizu

i think they need to add more mobs with unique attacks hat you're actually scared to get hit with. I remember always fleeing from tonberrys in ff so I didn't get hit with everyone's grudge same with cactuars and the 10000 needles if they have attacks that you know you have to watch out for I think it would increase the experience of a lot of ppl

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Yes, special attacks would be nice. And if it just to give the enemy types more personality.
During 1.x as an examples, the moles went underground to do an surprise attack on you with jumping out of the ground in your face (if you have not go away some steps). Wolfes tried to attack you from behind and antilopes attacked you with their back legs (inclusive pushback effect). Oh, and Chigoes did their stongest attack the moment you did a weapon skill on them.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Yes, special attacks would be nice. And if it just to give the enemy types more personality.
During 1.x as an examples, the moles went underground to do an surprise attack on you with jumping out of the ground in your face (if you have not go away some steps). Wolfes tried to attack you from behind and antilopes attacked you with their back legs (inclusive pushback effect). Oh, and Chigoes did their stongest attack the moment you did a weapon skill on them.

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You mean "here, let's make trash more obnoxious than it already is"?

How about no? Mobs with telegraph attacks are already annoying as piss, especially with the latency issue this game is plagued by.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

I can't help being reminded of the AST job quests (since I'm suffering through that one rn)... go to spot X, talk to A, go to spot Y, talk to A again, go to spot Z, talk to B, cast Aspected Benefic, cast Aspected Benefic, cast Aspected Benefic, go to spot X again, talk to B again - and so on and so on. Yeah..........

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The MCH questline has a fascination with making you cast hotshot to startle people.

Setting you up for a future where people are amazed that you can actually manage to keep hotshot up, unlike most bad MCHs.

I was trying to solo Thornmarch Hard as my 60 DRK earlier today, that was rather challenging. I then realised that even when successful trying to get the weapon I wanted wasn't worth the time! So I am all for more challenging solo things. I remember when unsync came out I went straight to trying to solo Dzemael Darkhold as my 50 MNK for some gear to lv my DRK. Having to stop attacking and dodge the lazers on the last boss and relying on potions and basic heal over time during the crystal phases to just get through it was more exciting than most things. If we are going to have more challenging solo events at least provide a worthwhile reward.

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Originally Posted by Julirites

you guys remember ff7 gold saucer. there was a mini game that had you fight waves of increasingly difficult badies. this would be easy to implement and tho its not the be all end all its a start. have it reward marks or consumables or titles or whatever.

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I cringe when I see people say completely new features (especially something in-depth like a Coliseum) would be "easy to implement".

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Roguelikes don't always have permadeath. For example, Baroque. You just lost all your progress and anything you didn't have stored when you die, and had to start Neuro Tower all over again, but everything was.. different.

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Yeah, but what if your progress would be saved? So you could always continue where you left. The whole thing would be your personal project. Could start as early as Lv 30, have interesting bosses that have abilities that need to be countered by the abilities of your job. Little campaigns like find some hidden artifacts or treasures, could pick those up at some NPC in the open world. Quests for outside could start there as well, which then grant you a save at that spot where you got it inside, so you can attempt the same stuff multiple times in case you don't quite make it to the next checkpoint yet. Etc etc.