Powerleveling ruined my day

Here's how I see it. Can you powerlevel your character from 40 to 50?

I don't think so. Those levels are where the players are essentially forced to PLAY their class, as opposed to being complete brainless dolts when it comes to doing Dzemael Darkhold or other high-end content.

So it has a bit of a balance to it. Powerleveling allows low level players to "catch up" and find more people to normally level with once they reach Level 30.

In fact, powerleveling starts to lose its value past Level 30, as far as I know. I've done two powerlevel parties for a linkshell, and I always made it a point that everyone in my party have their equipped class be below 30 so that everyone continued to receive experience equally.

Also, I don't run powerlevel parties with three 50's, that is a little retarded in my book; instead, my powerlevel parties have only one 50, and seven sub-30 players. That way, the progression as well as how the PL does his thing, forces the party to practice their healing skills.

If they can't heal the PL to keep the EXP flow coming, they aren't worth PLing. :3

Play how you want. You sound like the people that don't want strip clubs or casinos in their city. Don't go if you don't like them but there are people that do so censor yourself. Same point with power leveling. While I understand it ruins the experience for you but if it enhances it for others so if you suggest the game be changed to make you happy but make others unhappy then that also isn't fair. I only have one 50 that I did all solo due to limited time to play and I crawled 3 other classes to 30+ also so I understand both sides. We are all faced with a choice at the end of the day. Am I willing to play the game despite things I don't agree with? If you don't like power leveling then I suggest you don't participate in them or benefit from them and let that be enough for you. The game is either fun for you or it isn't plain and simple. Most arguments against power leveling are based on the whole I worked hard and you got it easy concept. I see it as if we have tons of lvl 50s then it just means its time for cap increase and more high end content. And if the argument is the you get all 50s you will get bored and leave then those ppl won't stay long term anyway. Either way they come and go so can you be patient? Have fun just something to think about.

Honestly I don't think you need any "help" to catch up.

A: It's only 50 levels. Try 75 or 99 in other games. This game isn't even half done.

B: SE is throwing you bone after bone already. You have Levequests for soloing exp. They stack if you can't play all the time. They're fast and easy and reward a decent amount of exp. You have guardian favor too.

C: Your friends have 7 combat jobs to choose from. More than likely they have at least one job that's close to your level. Party up with them. If all your friends have all their jobs at rank 50, you're in the minority. If your friends refuse to rank up another job for you, maybe find someone else to party with instead.


If you're just here for Endgame, you're not the only one. Plenty of people who got to 50 before you did so by honest means - and by honest I mean within the game's rules and original intentions (Yoshi stated 50 should be attainable in 2-3 months). And they probably wouldn't want to play with you if they knew you skipped ahead via exploits. They're looking for people who know how to play the game, after all.

And no, me saying I'd leave the game isn't a threat to you, and I don't care if you don't give a damn, personally. But I think SE would care to know.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

Other people already did a pretty good job of explaining how it affects their gameplay.

If you want to level legitimately, the pool of other people for parties matters quite a bit. If only a percentage of people want to party without power-leveling, then you have only that percentage to work with. If everyone is instead forced to gain experience with those around their own level, then your pool is much larger.

Beyond that, there is also an issue with "campsites" and how people use them. If some level 50 characters are slaughtering level 30 targets, they've monopolized the whole place. If that wasn't useful for something, it would be free for people to gain EXP in normally - perhaps even more than one group to do so.

Finally, there are the hazier concerns about game balance and sense of accomplishment and such. In some games reaching the maximum level is a major achievement. Even if it is difficult to do without power-leveling, the option lessens the sense of accomplishment because they "could have just done it the easy way." Overall, with rising in level being very easy, you also end up with a game that has a pointless grind followed by content, rather than the RPG ideal of content alongside progression. Basically, the population influences the content and if everyone is max level due to power-leveling, why would the developers bother making content for level 30 players?

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Love how she didn't reply to this.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

yes, so many ways that you can't even list one....

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Do you know how many other threads I've explained this in, only to get slapped in the face because on these forums I'm always wrong? I'd rather not. And countless of other people have stated the same things, but takes you to ignore them.

Many people should know a lot of the power leveling going on is by people who got their 1st 50 legit, and are taking advantage of exp they think will be (and should be somehow) taken away. It sucks, but Yoshi P said if someone takes the time out of their day to pl someone, thats time and effort spent, exp you didn't get, that you sacrificed to level up your friend. Now lets see, do I totally agree with it? Not really, I think you can prob pl 1-20 no prob, and still link levels from 20-50, especially since 20s you need to start building some guildmarks, but pre that, the soloing can be really awful, and it does discourage people. I mean in xi, you had to get to level 11 at least to be smn burned, in this game you just drag your friend whereever and burn in with your thm. You cant effectively pl someone past level 40 without them just being a leech like abyssea, and a level 40 person who's been nothing but pl'd is gimp, in various ways. Its not sad, its funny. A smart player would pl the 1-20 crap, and then never look back (smart but greedy). Oh well, i don't agree with a lot of the whole pling people anyway, but I know yoshi prob won't do anything about it due to his previous statements on this. I wish people would stop acting like he cares, we care, its unfair to assume the dev team feels the same way we do, and what decisions they have to make to stop massive bans that hit people who may of not been the actual culprit. These are hard decisions. We should probably think of ways to counter this problem, the more ideas the better, that way there isn't just unfair bans, theres a new system which comes out of it. Maybe level sync, now that we only have levels.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Here's how I see it. Can you powerlevel your character from 40 to 50?

I don't think so. Those levels are where the players are essentially forced to PLAY their class, as opposed to being complete brainless dolts when it comes to doing Dzemael Darkhold or other high-end content.

So it has a bit of a balance to it. Powerleveling allows low level players to "catch up" and find more people to normally level with once they reach Level 30.

In fact, powerleveling starts to lose its value past Level 30, as far as I know. I've done two powerlevel parties for a linkshell, and I always made it a point that everyone in my party have their equipped class be below 30 so that everyone continued to receive experience equally.

Also, I don't run powerlevel parties with three 50's, that is a little retarded in my book; instead, my powerlevel parties have only one 50, and seven sub-30 players. That way, the progression as well as how the PL does his thing, forces the party to practice their healing skills.

If they can't heal the PL to keep the EXP flow coming, they aren't worth PLing. :3

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This ^^^^^^^^^

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I think the downside of Power Leveling is pretty clear:

[SIZE=6]It ruins the whole point of the game.[/SIZE]

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If they want to undermine the point in playing their game, let them. meanwhile, you can continue to "get" and enjoy the point of the game, happy in your confidence that you will have more fun than those people are.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If they want to undermine the point in playing their game, let them. meanwhile, you can continue to "get" and enjoy the point of the game, happy in your confidence that you will have more fun than those people are.

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Ah but see, I actually want FFXIV to succeed.

A rare thing, I know.

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Ah but see, I actually want FFXIV to succeed.

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What does this comment have to do with anything?

How does a couple people leveling faster than you have anything to do with whether or not the game succeeds?

Again, if to you, the point of the game is leveling up, then go ahead, level up slowly, and savor the experience. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If someone else doesn't see that as the "point" of the game, who are you to judge them for that?

Again, it doesn't hurt you at all. it seems like you're just jelly.

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Do you know how many other threads I've explained this in, only to get slapped in the face because on these forums I'm always wrong?

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You're only "always wrong" because you always take on the unpopular view. That's not the fault of anyone else here.

Leveling is part of the experience, but it's not the whole experience. Some people enjoy it a lot, other people prefer other aspects of the game. "The point" of the game is different things to different people, and you should accept that.

I'd reply with the same thing I've been saying over and over and over in this and other threads like it, but I'm just going to let you have your opinion on this one. TL:DR version would be: "Broken EXP breaks the game".

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"Broken EXP breaks the game".

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Only for the people who choose to break it. By choosing not to take part in it, the game is not broken for you.

Look, i'm not advocating the act, only explaining to you that it DOES NOT HURT YOU IF YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED. If anything, it helps you, because those extra level 50s are producing more resources which you can purchase, but at the worst, it does not hurt you, unless the players that are doing it are somehow directly interfering with your ability to play. Which, I do not see anyone who is acting like that.

I'm sure they will make adjustments as necessary, but your GIANT FONT RAGE ARRRGH! was unnecessary. Other people's broken EXP doesn't break YOUR game. After all, for all intents and purposes, if anyone was already high level before you started playing, they are effectually power leveled, because they got to high levels before you.

If that sounds like silly logic, that's mostly because it is- but so is yours.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

but at the worst, it does not hurt you,

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Directly? no. Of course not.

Indirectly? There's too many ways that it could. Economy being favored towards high level players (I'm low level at the moment). Low-mid level content being largely ignored. Good campsites possibly being ruined by monsters being claimed in droves by PLers.

If SE decides to start favoring this new system, they'd never fix what's wrong with the early game. Why bother? Players would just skip it. Then they'd have to continuously pump out endgame content just to keep people playing, and we're not even halfway ready to be at that stage yet. That's FFXI's territory currently, and they're not getting any new players last I checked. Why alienate new players when what we need now is new players?

That's what I'm afraid of, and that's why I'm against PLing in the extremes that it's reported to have been. And until SE puts the issue to rest, I'll keep voicing my opinion.

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Originally Posted by viion

leveling...is a massive roadblock to the casual player where as its nothing to those who can have 4-5 friends playing 24/7.

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This. I'm really happy with the current claim system. :D

I laugh at all this because this the funnest thing i heard EVER!
For a start look at the market for gear under rank 50 that is not dated and useless.
Find any i think not!
Dose it effect anyone else? No cause there are plenty of mobs all over the game!
Just look at the server i play on for a start there not a single other player out there when i go to level ever!
You say i should party with people my level! Well try find some on Melmond they ether speak a different language or don't exists
Look at everyone i ever talked to on the game already 50 and want to do high level things so wont help me!
So not only do i have no 1 to play with am stuck because i cant buy gear to use and since patch my ARC cant do damage for poo so i cant do anything at all!
All my friends that play the game are level 50 so i cant do what they want cause am not high another and there for i become a downer cause its going take to long for me to level normally

No I wont power level myself and it will take me for ever to level. For other people tho who want to enjoy the game THERE way why not let them!

And if you dont like people PLing then why not go play a offline RPG you can level up all you like and no 1 will take your mobs! lol
People enjoy the game different ways so let them it really dose not hurt you!

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Originally Posted by FireHero

Game too hard so I cheat!

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Sorry, say that again? that's all I heard.

>implying playing within the rules of the game is cheating

>implying that having someone kill mobs for you and you get all the reward isn't cowardly and doesn't sound a lot like cheating.

It doesn't. If it were cheating, I'm sure they would have made it be against the rules ages ago (this isn't actually new) but they didn't.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Sorry, say that again? that's all I heard.

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Sorry, but Yoshi-P has said since 1.18 that he doesn't want there to be a long pointless grind so that people can play actual content with friends. These threads need to stop.

It's not broken, it's exactly what the devs intended or else it wouldn't be possible. Mid-level content is there for players who like a slow leveling experience. So that those people don't feel they need to rush to 50.

If being 50 as quick as possible is what everyone would choose to do, then it means that the majority of players feel there is no sense of accomplishment in a slow leveling process, only an annoyance in the delay of actual content. I'd rather see the leveling process stay the way it is so the devs can focus on actual content like the primal battles and more complex raids.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Sorry, but Yoshi-P has said since 1.18 that he doesn't want there to be a long pointless grind so that people can play actual content with friends. These threads need to stop.

It's not broken, it's exactly what the devs intended or else it wouldn't be possible. Mid-level content is there for players who like a slow leveling experience. So that those people don't feel they need to rush to 50.

If being 50 as quick as possible is what everyone would choose to do, then it means that the majority of players feel there is no sense of accomplishment in a slow leveling process, only an annoyance in the delay of actual content. I'd rather see the leveling process stay the way it is so the devs can focus on actual content like the primal battles and more complex raids.

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See I couldn't disagree more. If SE is OK with this, it's like they're saying, "Yeah half our game's broken, and we wont' fix it so just try to get to 50 ASAP. That's where the fun stuff is."

Might as well make us all 50 and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

>implying that having someone kill mobs for you and you get all the reward isn't cowardly and doesn't sound a lot like cheating.

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I loled pretty hard

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Originally Posted by FireHero

I laugh at all this because this the funnest thing i heard EVER!
For a start look at the market for gear under rank 50 that is not dated and useless.
Find any i think not!
Dose it effect anyone else? No cause there are plenty of mobs all over the game!
Just look at the server i play on for a start there not a single other player out there when i go to level ever!
You say i should party with people my level! Well try find some on Melmond they ether speak a different language or don't exists
Look at everyone i ever talked to on the game already 50 and want to do high level things so wont help me!
So not only do i have no 1 to play with am stuck because i cant buy gear to use and since patch my ARC cant do damage for poo so i cant do anything at all!
All my friends that play the game are level 50 so i cant do what they want cause am not high another and there for i become a downer cause its going take to long for me to level normally

No I wont power level myself and it will take me for ever to level. For other people tho who want to enjoy the game THERE way why not let them!

And if you dont like people PLing then why not go play a offline RPG you can level up all you like and no 1 will take your mobs! lol
People enjoy the game different ways so let them it really dose not hurt you!

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Before 1.19 i grouped with pugs maybe once every few weeks. Chat in uldah was basicly dead. Now ever since 1.19 came out i've pugged at least twice a day and chat is constantly spammed with groups looking for more in all level ranges. Not everyone wants to power lever or can't if they do want to.
This was the first patch that actually gave some life to this game and if power leveling gave some a reason to play again just let them.

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Originally Posted by viion

I'm on a bit of both, but for personal reasons.

I dont like instant-50 or PLing because it would ruin a core feature of a site I Run

On the other hand

Levelling is a pointless feature to a game and is a massive roadblock to the casual player where as its nothing to those who can have 4-5 friends playing 24/7.

How can you make both happy?

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As one of the casual players, I think it would have been better to give the player a choice when they made their character, either:

1) To elect to play alone through most of the game, being able to level up somewhat quickly and being able to play with only 7 other people of their choosing from their friend's list that can be managed upon request but is otherwise set in stone.
2) To follow the traditional MMO mechanic of the hours upon hours of grinding and grouping up with random people.

I'd be happy with the first option to be honest, so that all the elitists can quit complaining about people PLing others, but so that solo players can be happy moving at their own pace but not have to slave as much due to their own circumstances that prevent them from committing to this game full time. I don't care if I have to be relocated to a different server compared to others - no compromise is too demanding for this to be implemented.

People don't have a problem really with people being pl'd. They have a problem with a bunch of gimp noob high level people who didn't learn to play their class, and who didn't get the guildmarks and gear they might of needed along the way. No one wants to play with a person like that. Even with solo players, if you solo 1-50, you just learned how to play the game solo 1-50, how to keep yourself alive 1-50, and how to solo do dmg to mobs 1-50, you didn't learn how to party in the game, keep others alive, or manage hate. So those people who are getting pl'd lose some of the advantages of learning. People think "i've partied in other mmos" "or i got a 75 in XI", that doesn't mean you can manage hate in this game, and sure as hell doesn't mean you know how to do our higher level content. They sacrifice learning key concepts of the game right off the bat. None of the stuff in XIV is that hard, but if you didn't pick up key concepts in the beginning, what makes you think you'll learn them while there's more pressure on you to do your job?

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Originally Posted by kensredemption

As one of the casual players, I think it would have been better to give the player a choice when they made their character, either:

1) To elect to play alone through most of the game, being able to level up somewhat quickly and being able to play with only 7 other people of their choosing from their friend's list that can be managed upon request but is otherwise set in stone.
2) To follow the traditional MMO mechanic of the hours upon hours of grinding and grouping up with random people.

I'd be happy with the first option to be honest, so that all the elitists can quit complaining about people PLing others, but so that solo players can be happy moving at their own pace but not have to slave as much due to their own circumstances that prevent them from committing to this game full time. I don't care if I have to be relocated to a different server compared to others - no compromise is too demanding for this to be implemented.

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So you basically want power leveling to be soloable?

Power leveling is boring and even though its in the game, I had much more fun last night in an 8 person party, cutting up hippocerfs and amalj'aa. Great exp and materia to boot.

There's got to be some sort of compromise there. I had no idea how I'd handle myself as a LNC when I first made my character. I was just whacking a stabbing things left and right. Now, I've been able to adjust my tactics accordingly to deal the most damage and it works surprisingly efficiently. I've been able to do some 3 star guildleves near Camp Moss (Or something) and I was able to finish it in less than 10 minutes. However, I still don't know how I'd be able to handle myself in an actual party situation because I have little experience partying with people as a DD. I always played a tank before, both in XI and WoW.

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Originally Posted by Lavani

So you basically want power leveling to be soloable?

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Read the second paragraph before you reply again. I don't have all the time in the world to be playing XIV, neither do my friends. They're not exactly like the hardcore MMO elitist gamer that's being mass-produced thanks to the other W-MMOs. Besides, the only reason I had any appeal to XIV in the first place was because I heard it was going to be solo friendly, and in my opinion, that does not include slaving 72 hours a week doing the same thing others who can play the game full-time with a group and be forced to do so by myself.

Haters gonna hate. (on power leveling)

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

Haters gonna hate. (on power leveling)

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Indeed...Oh, and Auron wanted me to tell you something...oh yeah: "Your pilgrimage ends here." :P

BUT THIS IS MY STORY

now with all the powerleveling going on, I see someone with all jobs to r50 the same as I see a new player with all jobs at r1[1]<Saminus Slater> now with all the powerleveling going on, I see someone with all jobs to r50 the same as I see a new player with all jobs at r1

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

BUT THIS IS MY STORY

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Too bad Tidus is stealing all the limelight, ha ha ha.

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

now with all the powerleveling going on, I see someone with all jobs to r50 the same as I see a new player with all jobs at r1[1]<Saminus Slater> now with all the powerleveling going on, I see someone with all jobs to r50 the same as I see a new player with all jobs at r1

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redundancy is redundant

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

BUT THIS IS MY STORY

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Your dad is Sin.

*stalks away laughing*

nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

brb pling

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

brb pling

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refer to sig.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Your dad is Sin.

*stalks away laughing*

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And my mom is Anima. :)

I worry that I won't be able to find a party because people will be too busy PLing/being PL'd. I already have a hard enough time.
(Just when I thought SE was trying to promote party play, PLing has to come into it and destroy their efforts..)

I worry that when/if I find a party they'll say it's a PL party and I won't get to enjoy partying and be forced to go solo.
Makes me kinda bummed out.

In XI, I made so many friends and had so many good laughs and adventures partying. It was one of the best parts of the game for me.

Also, as was said earlier.. it is kinda cowardly for a bunch of so-called adventurers to be chilling out relaxing on the side while some big tough guy does all the heroic things for them. >.>
By DEFINITION they shouldn't be gaining any experience.