Can we please get rid of glamour grades?

The point of the glamour prisms at all is to make a non-renewable regent that players will constantly want to have. By dividing them up via jobs, they ensure that each crafter is needed for a specific item which in turn increases the prisms value. I do agree that having the grades appear pointless though, but I understand why they exist which is again, to ensure that each prism has value. A rare Grade 3 prism (or something) is worth more than a Grade 1 or Grade 5 prism, which is sold at a dime a dozen.

Honestly in my opinion, the glamour prisms are the best items in this game for that reason. (Relatively inexpensive to make, can be sold at a profit and do not break the bank to obtain. Non-renewable so one always has to buy a new one, ect)

I agree with the 1 glamour prism per craft type, it would make things simpler. I do not believe the prices would go down. I believe they would find a midpoint and pretty much stay there.
some of you argue it would change the value. I disagree the value would remain likely at a midpoint but it would remain.

I also agree with losing the glamour dispellers, these do not benefit crafters at all.

Ofcourse while I know it wouldn't benefit crafters I wish the devs would adopt the style lock system of FFXI. It is vastly superior to the glamour system in FFXIV but alas they won't do that because of the gil to be made by the crafters with glamour.

Or at least type. Like if they want to keep grades, which are not needed all ready, fine. But at least get rid of the types.

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Originally Posted by Chukkaque

Or at least type. Like if they want to keep grades, which are not needed all ready, fine. But at least get rid of the types.

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The types are (one) of the best things about the prisms. Again its to keep the whole value thing associated with them.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

HW dungeons drop Prisms like water.

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Mm-hm. HW dungeons drop empty prisms like water. Doesn't benefit anyone who doesn't have a crafter at 50+. Only means that the empty prisms are super cheap for crafters in case they need to restock on them. But even so, that's five slots taken up. If you can't craft all the prisms yourself, you'll need to either buy one off the MB when you need it (and hope they haven't gone up in price recently), or stock up a lot of different types when you find them cheap. If you're "unlucky" and happen to enjoy glamours of very different ilevels and types, you could end up having to keep 20-ish slots occupied by various prisms, and that's only covering a little more than half of them.

Keeping in mind the various types you need to buy/make isn't always easy, not if you're planning an entirely new glamour outfit. It doesn't help that the various grades take the exact same materials to make. I can remove materials to make a grade 2 LTW prism and a grade 3 WVR prism. It's happened more than once that I accidentally make a grade 3 LTW prism instead. (Of course, if they changed it so grade 1 takes 1 mat, grade 2 takes 2 mats and so on, people would be outraged that glamouring end-game gear was too expensive...)

If they required different types of dark matter in order to repair gear (say, "Grade 3 Dark Matter (Clothcraft)"), and you had to craft those Dark Matters from the base, "empty" Dark Matters... would that system make you happy? Or would it be perceived as unneccessarily complicated? Yes, I know you generally repair gear more often than you glamour it.
What if materia melding required different types of Carbonized Matter depending on materia colour?

At the very least, they could have gone a similar way to what they did with Dark Matter and Carbonized matter. So that (with the current ilvls) grade one works for ilvl 1-40, grade two works for ilvl 80 or below, grade three works for ilvl 120 or below, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

At the very least, they could have gone a similar way to what they did with Dark Matter and Carbonized matter. So that (with the current ilvls) grade one works for ilvl 1-40, grade two works for ilvl 80 or below, grade three works for ilvl 120 or below, and so on.

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if this happened I suddenly see grade five prisms becoming really popular

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

They all use the exact same recipe. All the prisms grades have the same price. There is literally no difference between the grades other than making glamour more of a chore to use.

Why have this unnecessary complication? remove the grades and use on general prism per craft.

It seems like it was designed to just eat up inventory space.

As an omnicrafter, glamour prisms aren't exactly lucrative. I'd much prefer convenience in using them over whatever potential profits they could provide.

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Just scrap the whole system, and have just one generic prism. It really is a hassle to try and glamour anything.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

how else are they going to get us to buy more retainers?

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My thought exactly.

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Originally Posted by Kalam

Just scrap the whole system, and have just one generic prism. It really is a hassle to try and glamour anything.

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If you think this simple system is a hassle I kinda wonder how you manage to do anything in this game.

You guys are not seeing the big picture. By having one Prism type, you're opening the doors to inflation. People with 50 crafts would jack up the price for it. So your 5k Prism will now be 25k or maybe more. If you're ok with that, then cool. Implement it and I'll charge an arm and a leg for it. I know others will do the same. When you blow like mils cuz you guys wanted a single prism, please do not complain about it.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

You guys are not seeing the big picture. By having one Prism type, you're opening the doors to inflation. People with 50 crafts would jack up the price for it. So your 5k Prism will now be 25k or maybe more. If you're ok with that, then cool. Implement it and I'll charge an arm and a leg for it. I know others will do the same. When you blow like mils cuz you guys wanted a single prism, please do not complain about it.

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not going to happen since they drop in dungeons. and you can't corner the market cause the materials are cheap and easy to come by.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

You guys are not seeing the big picture. By having one Prism type, you're opening the doors to inflation. People with 50 crafts would jack up the price for it. So your 5k Prism will now be 25k or maybe more. If you're ok with that, then cool. Implement it and I'll charge an arm and a leg for it. I know others will do the same. When you blow like mils cuz you guys wanted a single prism, please do not complain about it.

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conspiracy theory much? too many impatient people craft the prisms to wait for someone to pay 25k or more. they will drive the price down and some of us are patient enough that you will make little to nothing driving it up like that.

This is what the current system does:

https://i.gyazo.com/c05ea161fcce7e66...fb996cb1b6.png

https://gyazo.com/c39ec1e2c97ecc3b10a9b926ef12b483.png

The only difference in materials between these two things is the grade of the clear prism that you use. The difference in priced is entirely caused by the astronomical difference in demand. If they were to take away the grades and leave us the types, this wouldn't be a thing.

I don't know how you suppose someone have so strong an influence on the economy of prisms to make them shoot up to 25k. They are insanely cheap, easy to make, and have a very high demand.

Here are the links to the imgs if they didn't show on top.
https://gyazo.com/c05ea161fcce7e66277672fb996cb1b6
https://gyazo.com/c39ec1e2c97ecc3b10a9b926ef12b483

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Originally Posted by Coatl

This is what the current system does:

https://i.gyazo.com/c05ea161fcce7e66...fb996cb1b6.png

https://gyazo.com/c39ec1e2c97ecc3b10a9b926ef12b483.png

The only difference in materials between these two things is the grade of the clear prism that you use. The difference in priced is entirely caused by the astronomical difference in demand. If they were to take away the grades and leave us the types, this wouldn't be a thing.

I don't know how you suppose someone have so strong an influence on the economy of prisms to make them shoot up to 25k. They are insanely cheap, easy to make, and have a very high demand.

Here are the links to the imgs if they didn't show on top.
https://gyazo.com/c05ea161fcce7e66277672fb996cb1b6
https://gyazo.com/c39ec1e2c97ecc3b10a9b926ef12b483

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what I think will happen is we will end up at a middle ground somewhere around 3k to 7k because they would sell super fast.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

conspiracy theory much? too many impatient people craft the prisms to wait for someone to pay 25k or more. they will drive the price down and some of us are patient enough that you will make little to nothing driving it up like that.

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Hey, the economy could go to hell in the blink of an eye. After coming from XI's broken economy, I don't rule out the possibility.

(inbeforesomeonecomplainsaboutthe6gradesofdarkmatter)

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

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Have fun waiting a few years until someone misclicks on your prisms and somehow buys them then. Do you really not know how ready people are to undercut you? Then for that undercutter to undercut that undercutter, on and on and on until the item is practically worthless. Neither of us can predict how this will go down, but I know that it's fact that someone who rather make 300 gil off a quick sale (per item) than 800 gil.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

You guys are not seeing the big picture. By having one Prism type, you're opening the doors to inflation. People with 50 crafts would jack up the price for it. So your 5k Prism will now be 25k or maybe more. If you're ok with that, then cool. Implement it and I'll charge an arm and a leg for it. I know others will do the same. When you blow like mils cuz you guys wanted a single prism, please do not complain about it.

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This doesn't follow at all.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

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I would normally agree with you if I didn't witness people first hand people buying common items that are way overpriced.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I would normally agree with you if I didn't witness people first hand people buying common items that are way overpriced.

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From my experience, those items are usually uncommon or rare such as that Thavnairian set or crafted Moogle weapons, not items that can be crafted incredibly quickly and cheaply. On the other hand items like Dragon Skins tank in price all the item due to constant undercutting, and from experience I can say that they're usually "tanked" rather than at a high price (reselling them when they're highly priced has netted me at least half a million in gil now...) People make them to make money, if they have the chance to undercut you for a faster sale, they will. Simple as that. I have seen prisms for 6k+, but they never sell as ones for 1-3k are constantly being put up.

I think it's funny they complain about data space but then instead of making one glamour type prism for each craft the made 5. Logic.

I think the prism system in it's current incarnation is a bit excessive. It's more involved than similar systems I've seen in other games (Not that it's necessarily a bad thing). One kind of annoying thing is having to buy a stack of 3 or 4 leatherworking prisms just to put a glamour on one pair of breeches in an armor set. Maybe they could implement a system like Guild Wars 2 where there is just one kind of transmutation charge that will change the appearance of anything and can be earned through elements of gameplay as well.

As a compromise, make one grade of prism (keeping the individual types), but make higher level equipment require multiple prisms.
This aids inventory space but also keeps them selling better.

No thanks. I rather like the system as it is now, and I've already memorized all the criteria. Honestly that hard to spare 2 seconds?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Well the funny thing is. I'd also get rid of type.

They complain about having no storage for items then they have all these junk items nobody cares about.

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While the system is easy to use and understand, this is still very true.

We could eliminate each grade, leaving us with a single glamour prism across all DoH.
That is 39 items that don't need to exist!

I 100% agree. You shouldn't need to make a shopping list to change your glamour.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Hey, the economy could go to hell in the blink of an eye. After coming from XI's broken economy, I don't rule out the possibility.

(inbeforesomeonecomplainsaboutthe6gradesofdarkmatter)

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At least with dark matter I can use grade 6 for everything.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

From my experience, those items are usually uncommon or rare such as that Thavnairian set or crafted Moogle weapons, not items that can be crafted incredibly quickly and cheaply.

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Well... Not always. The other day, my retainer brought me back an Oasis Chair. It's a pretty easy lvl36 (I think) CRP recipe. "Bummer," I said, slapped my retainer for bringing me a worthless item, and sent him out again. Then my jaw dropped when I saw that they were being sold on the MB for up towards 11k each. And people were actually buying them for that O.o

So yeah, it's quite possible for inexpensive items to rise in price. It's usually only a temporary thing, though.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

No thanks. I rather like the system as it is now, and I've already memorized all the criteria. Honestly that hard to spare 2 seconds?

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It's not that it's too difficult -- and mistakes I make are usually due to not quadruple-checking I'm crafting/buying the right kind. It's that it's overly cumbersome and annoying.

I wouldn't mind the different grades if they at least had the same thing as Dark Matter and Carbonized Matter do, where they allow glamouring of anything UP TO the limit of the item, so you could (if you wanted) glamour level 1 items with a Grade 5.
And to make the lower grades "useless", they could edit the recipes so Grade 1 requires 1 non-prism mat, Grade 2 requires 2 non-prism mats, Grade 3 requires 3 non-prism mats, and so on. ('Non-prism mat' in this case meaning the material you use together with the empty prism. So you'd need 5 Velveteen Cloth for Grade 5 WVR prisms. Not that they'd require several kinds of materials.) I wouldn't complain about this if it meant the Grade 5 was a lot more useful than the Grade 1 and covered every piece of clothwear.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

They all use the exact same recipe. All the prisms grades have the same price. There is literally no difference between the grades other than making glamour more of a chore to use.

Why have this unnecessary complication? remove the grades and use on general prism per craft.

It seems like it was designed to just eat up inventory space.

As an omnicrafter, glamour prisms aren't exactly lucrative. I'd much prefer convenience in using them over whatever potential profits they could provide.

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I can get behind this. I can't like this suggestion enough!

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Originally Posted by PantslessPrince

Dontchu take away my easy gil making method.

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Would probably sell more as people would be able to buy a stack and keep them for glamor instead of having to check which grade is needed when they have the items they want to glamor then only buying the exact amount needed.

BTW, as a maker of my own Prisms, I support this idea.

I would like to see one Glamour Prism for each craft...no 1-5. When I use to make money off this I would have to stock stacks of each which sucked.
Make them base prism harder to get so we can really start making money off these again...they are too accessible I feel now and no...not everyone deserves to be able to glamour...you need to pay if you really want it...LOL.

Im totally with getting rid of type AND grade. It makes no sense.

GREAT IDEA! I love it.

If the idea was having higher level gear to require higher level prisms or more mats, then the prisms should be like 200/400/600/800/1000 gil.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

Make them base prism harder to get so we can really start making money off these again...they are too accessible I feel now and no...not everyone deserves to be able to glamour...you need to pay if you really want it...LOL.

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You have a seriously twisted perception of how to treat character customization. Sure hope SE never listens to you. >_>

It is seriously disturbing how some people in here seem to confuse "this system is unnecessarily complex" with "this system is too complicated". It's not hard to understand - no shit, Hildibrand - it's ridiculously unwieldy to use, and takes up precious inventory space. I'm also of the impression some people in this thread don't understand basic math, not to mention economics. But anyway, economics was never the point of this suggestion - QoL was. And even assuming this would make glamour prisms completely worthless (hint: it won't), there's enough other ways to make money in this game, really. Nobody will miss 40 different types of prisms.

I'll agree that the system is needlesly complex.

But for all it's worth if your steamlining the system why have the prisms at all? Want a proper gilsink in the game? Just charge a gil-cost based on Ilvl of the base gear (Not the glamor) not alot but it's one way to make it easy for players to spend small ammounts of gil for the glamor system to preform a role in the game econimy still without being a 50 inventory slot hellstorm of wasted time and sapce.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

Make them base prism harder to get so we can really start making money off these again...they are too accessible I feel now and no...not everyone deserves to be able to glamour...you need to pay if you really want it...LOL.

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What's sad is that I fully support this... - .-;

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

If you think this simple system is a hassle I kinda wonder how you manage to do anything in this game.

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Hit a nerve did I? Look at WoW's xmog, easy peasy. The hassle is in having to obtain whatever prism might be needed at the time, if it's available.

Support this 100%.

In an ideal world, SE would copy DCUO's glamour system and no one would have any concerns about glamours.

In the world we currently have, I think they should have made it so Grade 1/2/3/4/5 Glamour Prisms were for gear Lv 1-10/11-20/21-30/31-40/41-50, then added a Grade 6 glamour prism for 51-60.

Well they are going to have keep changing the grades or add more as we increase in ilvl.