Please stop asking for paladin DPS buffs.

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Originally Posted by RapBreon

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Yeah job itself is not really a broken at all it just that current content shows all its weakness and clunkyness atm. But the thing that baffles me is when even Y-P says that PLD is king of migitation while imo all WAR CD's are better with ALOT shorter recast times(key word here is short)while most of them offer both defence and offence at same time. IB is bacially rampart with potentially having a only 30s CD and on top of that it does damage, RI can be used in magical fights as an offensive CD instead defensive so its not totally wasted unlike Bulwark is, same goes for venge as its still usefull no matter what kind of damage you take but on physical fights its even better and equilibrium again is either offensive or defensive skill depending what you need at that moment.

But most of all its due their short CD that makes me kinda jelly, their longest CD is 120s(180 if counting Holm)and rest are between 60-90s so to make PLD king of the migitation again their CD's needs recast reductions(even situational CD's like TW has 180s recast >_>)and having a shield is imo not very good argument against recast reductions(you can freely nerf block even more if it means shorter recasts on CD's tbh).

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Originally Posted by Synestra

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I suspect if you just ran sims on them to see how much damage in total they mitigate over X period; PLD would probably wreck the house. Maybe that's what they mean. Shorter cool-downs is a decent solution. Maybe some synergy with stone-skin so they can go without healing longer so that the healers can chuck a few extra stones or something.

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Originally Posted by Rustangel

You are only demanding homogenization.

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Demanding homogenization would be demanding the exact same gameplay between WARs and PLDs and DRKs (which has been seen here by those individuals that say PLD is boring or some such nonsense). I don't recall any PLDs asking for their gameplay to be turned into having a copy of Wrath stacks or anything along those lines.

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Rewind to 2008, World of Warcraft - the closing months of the Burning Crusade. Three different tanks that played three different ways, which meant DIVERSITY and variety. But you can't have variety without imbalance.

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Imbalance is a bad thing. It was during TBC that prot paladins were basically trash-only tanks to the general public and druids couldn't tank Illidan since they lacked a block mechanic with which to mitigate Shear. It wasn't a good thing for prot warriors to be seen as the boss tank. And I say that as a former prot warrior.

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Anyway, Wrath of the Lich King rolled around, and and suddenly, all the tanks were exactly the same. Same mechanics, same "oh-shi" buttons, same same same. My Paladin could do everything my friend's Warrior could do and vice versa. All that was left was different animations for the same mechanics.

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So you're willing to throw balance to the wind for the sake of being different...

By the way, despite the "horrors" of making the tanks perform similar to each other, we had a surge of people playing tanks during Wrath. Add to that the fact that most of the stigmas went away (prot pallys became a fan favorite due to ease of use, for one) and the fact that no one could turn a specific tank away and there was no issue. They also still had their own mechanics and styles of tanking. From DKs chaining cooldowns to prot warriors being traditional tanks to prot pallies and their AoEs+passive cooldowns to bear druids with their huge HP pools and armor values.

People are asking for comparable performance, not for identical mechanics (which is what homogenization actually is). If you want to bark up the tree of homogenization, go to the DPS forums and make a topic on BRD and MCH. Your argument would actually be relevant over there.

PLD's gimp raids currently. That is a problem. It is not debatable.

What is debatable is how to fix the problem.

Yep a pld should have to gear 200 to do an il 180 raid that wars and darks combined duoed and cleared well before gearing.

Yep its just that plds need to l2p your not a dps class but compared to other two tanks please gear better so you can clear with us ok?

balance if you want to play pld thru savage clear first 4 alex sav on any other class besides pld or max gear il 200 that at that point everyone else would be max il210.

Balance lol remove the useless class pld already give all lv 60 eso geared pld the option to pick dark or war replacement instant max leveled quested and refund all eso spent on worthless class.

Now my request is far mor reasonable than all please buff plds, and right here and now remove the class pld as it is the most useless tank class ever.

Savage wasn't designed for i180 what *are* you smoking?