How Many Of You DO NOT Watch Videos Of Fights?

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

you should watch one no matter what in my opinion, but if its a farm group or a serious group then ya you really need to watch one

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no-one should be joining a farm group if they have no experience of the fight

Progress group pretty much explain everything most of time.
Only watch to see what I can improve myself. Or start pull team down with misunderstand mechanic.
Though I would never go in blind with farm group. Cause that would be silly if I didn´t beat it before go join farm group

if I'm trying an EX fight in a PUG I'll check a guide for quick notes since the overflow of info can be more of a hindrance for me. If we're all going in fresh I'll check for notes after a few pulls if needed.

Dungeons and 24mans get no guides.

Only time I watch a video, is for Extreme/Coil/Alex Raids. Nothing else. Everything else can be face rolled anyways.

If I can find a full party of folks who are interested in going into a fight blind, or willing to tolerate others doing so, I may forego studying up on the fight beforehand. If I'm participating with strangers, though, I feel that it's rude to burden them.

If you're participating with friends or FC-mates, feel free to learn on the go (but even so, let them know ahead of time what you're doing). If you're jumping into duty finder, though, keep in mind that you're not just wasting your own time - you're wasting the time of seven other people, as well.

And if you're joining a farm party as a blind newbie, you're pretty much just a troll and deserve whatever abuse they heap on you. :p

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Originally Posted by cyborgmermaid

Never. I'll read a guide for things like extreme fights, but I've never once needed to watch a video. This game's just not that hard.

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I could be wrong, but it sounds like you're suggesting that, to have to watch a video, would mean that the fight has to be soul crushingly hard to warrant it. Which is not the case.

Some people learn by reading instructions. Others learn by example (videos). And others learn by doing.

I am the third, but i don't like to go in blind, so i look for my hints in video format.

The same people that don't watch videos are the ones asking others to explain mechanics before fights, go figure.
If you're not gonna watch the video, I'm not going to explain the fight, you want to know the fight? Go watch the video.

I don't watch videos because I never get it from videos. Too much distraction and useless information. I read guides sometimes. I usually adapt fast to the battle. After all it's always very different to do the actual thing than watch a video. It feels different. A quick well written and simple guide and few tips from others is usually what you need. The actual thing is the best practise.

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Originally Posted by Kedo

The same people that don't watch videos are the ones asking others to explain mechanics before fights, go figure.
If you're not gonna watch the video, I'm not going to explain the fight, you want to know the fight? Go watch the video.

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1) Not watching a video =/= not studying the fight. You people need to stop only focusing on videos.
2) Most 4-man content is easy enough to do completely blind with at most one wipe per boss.
3) Don't generalize, I don't study 4-man content, but I would never require anyone to give any pointers. If someone feels like giving pointers because they see the new player message, or when we wipe, it's just their decision.

I prefer to avoid watching videos whenever possible, so I end up trying to get content done on the very first day.

The first guide i saw was T5, other than that T13 to check about the tank soak thing as for alexander it was on the go the first it was released and dungens well tbh never did read any .

If its new, no.
If its old, yes.

I always like going in blind. And if my FC can't clear content then a few key people watch videos.

It depend the type of content. If it's a 4 man dungeon i will go like yolo but otherwise, if it's a raid like alexander savage i will definetly watch thoses vids for sure

Because I am normally the leader I watch and read as much as I can if content has been around a bit and I haven't done it yet or if it seems like people are being dumb... see Garuda EX.

I don't watch videos (mostly because of my ADHD) but I try to at least read up on mechanics before doing something.

I do if I'm going into content with people I don't know. If the group comprises of mostly FC and LS people then most of us just go into it blind.

For FC/LS/Friends run as you like.
For PF as long as you read the description and it does not say "farm/no bonus/learning but watch a video" I think it's totally fine go in blind.
The only thing get me dispointed is in a DF party people who go in blind EXPECT someone else to explain them the mechanic...if you want to go in blind don't ask for strategy (it won't be blind any more), if you want to know the strategy then do your homework before joining, no one is obligated to explain you anything in DF.

I find watching a video does nothing for me. I've WATCHED Binding Coil of Bahamut Content, but KNOWING what happens doesn't mean I'm able to REACT to what happens appropriately. Only PLAYING the content can give you that. And then people ask "Did you watch the video?" I'm like "Yes, I did, thank you very much."

I think people put too much faith in videos because you can watch something until your eyes are red all you want but it's not going to make you better at doing something no one is willing to help you learn. It's this sentiment that has kept me from casually doing coil content. I Don't want to DF it when everyone expects people doing that to be able to do it on the first try. No matter how much I know what's going to happen, every fight is different in how much DPS people dish out, team organization and make up and whether people dodge or not. I'm a Healer and I have to react to every screw up people may do. I'm the butt saver, so there's NO WAY just watching a video is enough.

I tend to do new stuff as it comes out so there isn't videos available.
Even if there were, I wouldn't really bother with a dungeon or primal. Part of the fun is learning it.

Endgame raids however all the rules are thrown right out.

Watching videos does zip for me. I'd rather ask my FC mates, or my LS mates, or hopefully be paired with someone who's not some kind of "Watch video or get kicked" individual. The only thing that makes me better is actually fighting the fight, no matter how hard it is. Wipes are inevitable. They're part of the game. Some people need to

lighten

the

fuck

up.

EDIT: Heya, Terrini! Long time no see. How's Lamia treating you? We're doing just fine over on Bryn. Thanks for introducing me ♪

EDIT EDIT: Sometimes I feel like I'm grouped with people like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6IA7ipRTjA

Only for savage, and only if my static asks me to.

A lot of you guys say that you get nothing from watching videos, but I'm not sure that you're getting the point. It's totally OK if you can't execute a mechanic correctly after watching a vid. Like a lot of you said, a lot of people learn better by doing, but you DID learn what the mechanic was.

Here's an example: take Turn 5 of Coil. It's completely understandable if you saw a twister and it caught you off-guard and you didn't react fast enough, but you DID learn from the video that you should move when a twister happens. Reacting to it appropriately just from watching a video, is just a bonus, really. Since you knew how to handle a twister, your death was more of a learning experience and maybe you'll be more alert next time. If you hadn't watched a video or read a guide, you would have died to twister, gone "WTF WAS THAT?", and learned absolutely nothing from your death. See the difference?

I don't watch videos, or read parsers. Just play the game, a lot.

Everytime I have a new dungeon/trial to do I watch Mizzteq's video. It makes my life that much easier and makes me less anxious.

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Originally Posted by Odett

See the difference?

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Not really, no. Using your own example, the fireballs. I had no clue that was a thing nor what to do and this was AFTER watching a video. I figured out what they were from having it explained to me then seeing what they were talking about. And I still don't know what to do for Twisters cause I've never been that far. Divebombs seem to still be a problem for some people. You talk up videos and talk down practical experience like the latter is some impossible myth, discounting just how effective 'muscle memory' can be. Bet you'd also be disbelieving when I say I beat all of Alexander (Normal, not Savage) without seeing a single video on it. And no, it wasn't as a dead body (though my first Titan Hard was... ^,^; ).

For me, I prefer a guide that uses diagrams and descriptions of what happens at each phase, what each ability does, etc.

I feel that it gives the feeling of Ye Olde Tent O' War Strategy, when generals would draw up their plans on paper and use little wooden/iron/hard material figurines to depict troops and move plans along. Not to mention I feel that I can actually figure things out from just raw planning in that form, and still get the ecstasy of seeing a Primal's secret techniques blind for the first time (not to mention there's a certain RP element involved in doing it that way, and I save on having to sit there listening to terrible wubbity wubs and/or the worst voice(s) to ever hit the planet).

Maybe it's because I played football as a kid, and we often memorized our plays through trial and error (while still understanding what we needed to do on a basic level).

Alright, look at this this way.

When content first comes out, somebody has to do it without watching a video. Right?

There you go. You can do anything without watching a video.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

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You talk like beating Alexander Normal without a video is an impressive feat, it really isn't. Beat it with a party of 7 randoms on release day after 1-2 wipes on each turn, the mechanics are incredibly obvious and anyone with eyes can figure out what to do after experiencing a few times. The difference between going in blind and going in with some knowledge is monumental even in midcore-content like Bismarck Extreme or Ravana Extreme. For Ravana it could be the double prey, or whatever the ability is called where when he charges four people. You'll still likely fail if you're forgetful, but you know why you died, and then remember the way to counter it and the next attempts would be different. Whereas if you hadn't you'd be left confused until you figure out the mechanics, and since they're not as simple as in Alexander that alone will take you more than a few wipes. Not the best example, but I think you get what I'm trying to say.

Of course experience helps the most, but it's silly to deny videos have no effect. They save you time trying to figure out things on your own and make you more aware of what to expect, and then how to avoid it either the 1st time, or 2nd and 3rd if you and your party are competent. One person going in blind can ruin the efforts of the others who have, trying to explain the entirety of RavEX is a waste of time and not something you should expect people to do when you could have spent 10 minutes watching a video for 2-3 minutes reading a guide (both if possible, I find that helps me retain the information better, read it then watch a video).

And people wonder why most farm parties and even learning parties fail...

Seriously if your not going to prepare for the fight, then please make sure its a party of similar mindset in a 'learning' party. This means you don't join 'farm' or 'Clear' parties until you actually know the fight. 'Clear' parties are where you know all the mechanics well to win but just need the actual win, and farm parties are for when you know it all 100% and have multiple wins.

Too many bad players, and in reality just bad people, want it to be handed to them on a plate and have the other 7 people have to carry them. Its sad and pathetic to think that 7 people who you don't know or worse subjecting people you would call a 'friend', to a miserable experience because you want to be surprised by the mechanics.

the whole argument of 'i dont want to do homework in a game' or 'i want to experience it fresh and be surprised' is fine when your with others who think that way. However when that same person is in a party with people who want to get the clear / farm it, all you do is screw them over.

Bottom line is people shouldn't have to suffer so you can have fun.

Add me to the list of people who will watch videos for EX Trials and things like Coil/Alex if it's been out for a while. Anything else I might read a write up or go in blind, depending on how quickly I get to the content - part of the fun is trying things yourself and figuring out what to do, but that does need to be balanced against other people's enjoyment once there's a good chance most of the people I'll be playing with have already cleared the content. They don't need me dragging them down.

i might watch something after i already try it to maybe get better at it, but otherwise no, i dont watch videos of fights, especially if i've never done it before.

I never go in completely blind. At the very least, I ask someone to take ~thirty seconds to explain each fight. Generally, this goes well, but occasionally, one of the following happens:

A) Some twerp explodes at me for wasting his oh-so-precious time by not watching a video. (Seriously, why do people get so uptight about an extra two minutes? Does their ISP bill them by the second, or something?)
B) My request for an explanation is ignored. I run in without a clue as to whether or not I'm supposed to be standing in the glowy circle, running from the glowy circle, or what. People usually die.

Consequently, I usually read a guide. If the guide is unclear/complex, I sometimes watch a video.

For EX fights and so-forth, however, I ALWAYS watch a video. At that point, there's not a whole lot of story to spoil, and if I don't know what I'm doing ahead of time, I'll be turned into a Chicken McNugget.

I never watch videos, because they confuse me more than if I went in blind. If it's a dungeon, I will go in blind. If its an 8 man trial/raid and it's already been out for a bit, I'll read about the abilities and mechanics, because I do better just taking in the info I need to know and working out the rest as I go along. Alex 4 judgement nisi? Didn't need to know about it as MT. Discoid? Definitely needed to know that I should save my cooldowns for that. I know what all the abilities do now after the first one or two times, but I do far better just reading what I need to know, rather than watching a video and filling my head with so much info that I end up confused.

Of course, I would rather go in blind and work it out, the most fun I had in 14 was the night Alex came out and a bunch of us got together to poke at it, not expecting to win but we worked out A1 and 2 that night without any guides or hints. If everyone else knows what to do though, I'll look at the basics so Im not holding other people back, especially if Im tanking or healing

I prefer to not watch them, the only time that I know what happens is when I need to read the tactics for a FC run, otherwise, I go in blind.

I used to, but now I only do so with the harder content and just wing it with dungeon content.

It's fine with me if people don't watch videos. I mean, I can see why that would "spoil" the game.

In that thought though, if you don't watch a video, but join a group and expect them to take 10 minutes to explain every nuance of the fight to you instead... Well, that's still spoiling it! lol... You get no extra kudos for that. :x
If you choose to go blind into a fight...do just that! :p

I'll explain dungeon bosses cause well, that takes like 30 seconds. But I do get a little annoyed when someone joins some long boss fight "farm" group and be like: "Tell me everything this boss does! Watching videos is for losers!"

I'm sorry, my characters name is not "You Tube".

Only if it's EX Primals or raids like Coil (or Alexander Savage, I guess, though I'm choosing not to touch that content). Otherwise I do the dungeons, HM Primal AND 24 man raid blind.

I don't really watch videos unless I fall way behind on content. I've never watched any videos for how to do coil/alex fights, but I did when I went through to clear Titan X and Ifrit. I find videos can be harmful because they can often be taken as gospel, which lead to the 'Ranged Only' mentality becoming incredibly prevalent while Garuda X was still new.

On day ONE of an expansion or patch, I'll do content blind before there's any guides. I enjoy it because everyone else in my team is (normally) blind too. Now sometimes I'll pug on day one, but most of the time I'm with friends or my static. When I go in blind, I don't ask for tips or a mini guides. I'll discuss mechanics or strategies if we wipe on something and sometimes even if we don't. Now if it's old content, I always watch a video or read a guide.

I don't mind if newbies do old content blind (along as they didn't join a PF for experienced players only). However I don't like when they expect people to type out mini guides for them and get aggressive if no one does. If you came in blind, DO IT BLIND. Isn't that the point?