Where do you get server populations from? Gut instinct? Do the chocobos on the server select screen actually mean something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
Why is it this game has to turn into FFXI? Are people really that desperate to recapture that long lost feeling? Do they think making FFXIV into FFXI will actually bring that fun back? The truth is, no matter how much closer SE gets this game to XI, that feeling will never be back. Why don't we try something new for once instead of copying what made FFXI "fun" back in 2003.
Have you tried to solo as a new character since the patch? The only time I bother to log on is to do leves on my Lancer because soloing outside of that is utterly pointless. I can't kill a mob my level anymore because I can't find/afford gear for my level. So, I kill level 10-12 Dodos at rank 14 and get anywhere between 91XP and 120 XP per kill. Arguably, solo XP is now much much more difficult than getting XP in a PT, so since all of you bittervets seem to like "hardcore" shouldn't the solo guy get better rewards?
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10-07-2011, 02:10 PMBlarp
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10-07-2011, 02:15 PMFestAkos
Honestly, all they really need to do is allow chains on mobs lower level than you.
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10-07-2011, 02:19 PMBiggsSee, now I found it to be the opposite, but a lot of that can be the fact that we all have a tendancy to read posts from the same people we agree or disagree with. From my view point it seems like the biggest two complaints were: The current game state does not feel dangerous enough. People were looking for a sense of danger in an otherwise empty, and fairly easy to navigate gameworld. The other major complaint was the lack of party play. I think they solved both those problems wonderfully, but I can understand why some people are upset. Once again though, this all goes back to what I have been saying about SE not redisigning this game for the current population, but rather doing it for ficticious people that havent actually given them any money yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bled
Edit: I should comment that there is now a NEED to party, which is great, but no actual good tools for FORMING parties yet, which is far from great. -
10-07-2011, 02:20 PMVanguard319
This is certainly something the devs need to look into, first it was too easy, but SE took the words of the hardcore to heart too much. Not only is the learning curve excessively high now, but the gaffe with colored equipment has made it difficult to find gear that one can even use. Endgame quests should be hard, not leveling to a point where you can start doing endgame quests.
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10-07-2011, 02:23 PMBledIt is all about finding the balance of a healthy paced leveling curve, personally id say we are closer to balanced now then we were last patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanguard319
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10-07-2011, 02:31 PMBiggsHello! I am on your server and recently (like 3 weeks ago) rerolled from Kashuan (the lowest population server) to Selbina. First, I would like to say that the chocobos really DO mean something as there are a shitload more people on this 3 chocobo server than there are on Kashauns 1 chocobo server. However, I have often wondered if the chocobo count also tallys all the people that have accounts but are not active. (I am pretty sure it does).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blarp
Second, having just started right before the patch, the first thing I did since I knew the patch was coming was level 4 or 5 crafting jobs to level 10. Doing so only actually took a few hours since the 1-10 stretch for crafting goes quick. Not only have I been able to fully equip myself at low levels for my combat jobs, but I also have a nice small group of skills I can use on whichever crafting job I finally decide to make my main. I realize that many people will not like crafting before fighting but I can assure you, doing so not only saves you a great deal of cash on repairs early on (I fix all my own stuff), but it was relatively quick and painless to do so. Not to mention the material rewards for turing in local leves helped give me some decent starter cashand materials to make stuff with. Hope that helps, but I understand that the route I have taken isn't for everyone. -
10-07-2011, 02:33 PMVanguard319unfortunately, they essentially said "f**k you" to both new and casual players alike, without new players, the game doesn't grow, and casual players may decide to quit, meaning the game dies over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggs
As a predominantly solo player, I have found it it almost impossible to stay alive against mobs even slightly higher in level, especially now that they almost always attack in large groups. Bear in mind that I have somewhat decent, despite dated equipment, and I often did leves solo before the patch. Part of the problem is that they not only made equipment matter too much, but that gear now HAS to have the best materia gil can buy as well. How do they expect a new player to afford that kind of enhanced gear early off?
The simple answer is you can't. there has to be at least a shallow enough learning curve that new players will not feel alienated and ignored. -
10-07-2011, 02:42 PMDecconiThank you for this Nuru. I created a new character on a new server since Mysidia just sucks. I knew an old friend and his brother who started out on Linblum a couple weeks ago. I have to say that this game is sooo damn hard to play now when starting over. Absolutely zero low level gear on the market and now the gear nerfs really hit me hard and I feel the pain of the OP. Man this patch ruined it for me. Now i am in a rush to level up my crafting so i can actually level my Discipline of Magic classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
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10-07-2011, 02:43 PMVanguard319Did you even bother to read the OP? Have you actually logged in and played? the beastmen strongholds are fine, since they were meant for party play, but the relative difficulty of leves is beyond what most people can do solo, and THOSE were intended as solo content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bled
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10-07-2011, 02:48 PMBiggsI see your point. I do think a lot of the rage right now though is because people are shellshocked that what worked before when soloing totally doesnt work anymore. Given time I think we would find new ways to solo. I get what your saying about gear and materia though as I also share this fear for low level peeps. Its all uneccassary though as I think we will find a lot of these issues rebalanced in the coming weeks. I know its a released game and all (which I will NEVER understand why they didnt pull it to rework it) but people tend to quickly forget that this game is in REdevelopement and that, 2 months from now a whole slew of other things will change and the rage cycle can begin all over again just as we are getting used to the last set of changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanguard319
Oh, and I genuinly dont think SE is trying to gather new players atm. So people that are worried its chasing off potential new players right now are the ONLY ones worrying about it. I can assure you that, at this juncture in time, SE is not. -
10-07-2011, 03:01 PMBetelgeuzahI hope so. I like how the lower levels feel now, but the game is still not in a representative state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggs
I myself am going to take it really slowly because so much good stuff is still in the pipes which I don't want to miss. Action rehaul, Job system, zone redesign (this is pretty important), server repair, client optimization, UI overhaul. I don't want to be level 50 when all these aspects are implemented. -
10-07-2011, 03:03 PMDreamer
The problem is that they smashed the new combat system in even though the full set of changes isn't ready yet. They nerfed general combat effectiveness, presumably to make it balanced for when materia is available, but that system won't be available until the next patch. That's just poor planning.
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10-07-2011, 03:04 PMMariyaShidouWhat are you saying? Then what are those Materia in my inv doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
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10-07-2011, 03:09 PMGramulI know many people who would argue those features ruined the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivik
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10-07-2011, 03:11 PMDreamerWe have the materia, but the equipment that uses them isn't actually being implemented until the next patch, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by MariyaShidou
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10-07-2011, 03:43 PMBledBest thing i can say to you is broaden your horizons, the patch has barley been out. I agree party play has been enjoyable for me as well, and as iv seen in the solo mid levels my SP an hour has dropped since last patch however leveling was too ridiculously easy to begin with, things feel more balanced. Whenever you take the easy road out of a game people tend to over exaggerate, get lazy, and whine, that is all iv really seen here, your post has conveyed no differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanguard319
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10-07-2011, 03:49 PMBiggsI rerolled so I can do just that my Galkan friend :p I see much crafting, gathering, and materia making in our futureQuote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
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10-07-2011, 04:05 PMShneibel
The game is revolve around multi class and gear 1 of the OP said, if new player dont know how to buy new gear pass the begin then they are suck, i believe check the NPC store, check the ward (AH) is the first thing you do in a game no ? and not just go out and smash stuff and pray for gear drop
ninja edit: I suggest a beter tutorial, and I prefer it as quest cos most player dont read the wall of text, a quest that give player info about NPC shop in and outside ward -
10-07-2011, 04:06 PMXmbeiThere is currently a lot of gear in the game that can equip Materia.... Just not dated Gear, which is what you should turn to materia and equip to the new non dated versions of all armor that ARE in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
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10-07-2011, 04:09 PMMariyaShidouUh no, Vintage, long-ass spawn NM drops (well yea, compared to the 5 mins ones) and new recipe equipments all can be Materia Melded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
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10-07-2011, 04:47 PMKiroh
I agree with the sentiments of the OP in this case. If you're a new player with no other classes leveled up, you are going to be butchered left, right and center.
SE is trying to force more group play, which in my opinion is a mistake. The balance before this patch of solo to group was perfectly fine because it rewarded parties rather than punishing soloers. Had they simply added chain bonuses and left it at that, the balance would have been perfect in my opinion, but I digress.
The point is that whether or not it's SE's intent to ignore new players at this juncture of the game's development, it's an issue they WILL have to face if they ever expect this game to have a strong playerbase in the future. They may not think it's critical now, but it will be, and soon. No one is going to want to play this game if a year in, it's already top-heavy in both player levels and content. It's barely been 12 months and already they're focusing almost entirely on 'end-game' content to the crippling detriment of new players and characters.
I truly hope they address this, soon. I've seen far too many issues, even trifling ones that are minor in comparison, become huge sticking points for the players just because SE chose to put them off until later. -
10-07-2011, 04:55 PMBetelgeuzahOnce again a LNC lvl47 speaking.Quote:
If you're a new player with no other classes leveled up, you are going to be butchered left, right and center.
When do you people realize that you have no clue? You are speaking out of hearsay at best, or based on nothing at worst.
Soloing is damn effective at and before level 13 and I see no hint of this changing anytime soon. Soloing is efficient to this point, and quite likely much beyond too, 'till mid-20's even. It's not like new players are thrown under the "group or die" bus as soon as they log in the first time.
I myself truly hope SE addresses the community 'issue' soon but even they can't cure ignorance. -
10-07-2011, 05:03 PMKirohSpeaking as someone with a secondary character that has no other classes leveled, as well as someone with MRD sitting pretty at rank 15, even with 4 other combat classes 30+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
Soloing is not even close to 'effective' for lower levels. I was almost killed by a level 3 sheep from full health because I was level 2 with no class skills other than Trunksplitter. It took me an entire leve to go from level 4 to level 4 with 3/4s of my way to level 5. (Which by the way, is only 850 experience to get to.)
I myself truly hope SE addresses the community issues as well, but even they can't cure blind attack trolls.
Edit : I also find it rather ironic that someone with your signature pic would lash out at an argument based on the poster's class level... -
10-07-2011, 05:05 PMGramulThe fact that everywhere is suddenly crowded?Quote:
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10-07-2011, 05:12 PMBetelgeuzahWhich still gives you a significant advantage (and significant bias to play the game in a certain, unintended way, as we can see from your second paragraph).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
It took me 15 minutes to get from level 1 to 5, in which time I also earned 60k worth of mats to sell (at level 13 I now have 140k). I have no secondary characters, I didn't do any magical tricks to accomplish this. The difference between you and me is that you are stuck in trying to level in a way that isn't effective anymore, while I level in a way that is much more effective and sensible.Quote:
Soloing is not even close to 'effective' for lower levels. I was almost killed by a level 3 sheep from full health because I was level 2 with no class skills other than Trunksplitter. It took me an entire leve to go from level 4 to level 4 with 3/4s of my way to level 5. (Which by the way, is only 850 experience to get to.)
It's even more hilarious because you out of all people should have the resources to keep yourself up to date and know how to play the damn game. I should be the one struggling, but nope.
I mean, how much does one have to be stuck in an archaic mindset to not realize that leves that send you across half the world to kill 2 mobs just to earn 100xp and 200gil at the end of the task is not as effective as killing the dozens of easy-to-kill targets crowded in one place that earn you enough EXP to level up with ease up to level ten, not to mention drop a lot of good mats to be used for acquiring currency at the same time? -
10-07-2011, 05:16 PMBlarpIt's crowded, so server populations must be high. Do you see the fallacy in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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10-07-2011, 05:17 PMAgoven
Notes to success in battling now:
#1 Gear your rank
#2 Make sure they are REPAIRED
#3 Mobs no more then 1 to 2 levels above you.
BIG NOTE: Mobs 1 to 2 levels above you give more XP then pre-patch where it required a group of 5 to party kill to get the same XP. Plus with chains and links that XP is now much more impressive.
SE also moved the mobs so progression is easier. Lots of zonal mobs in pockets that continue to progress as you move further out... -
10-07-2011, 05:20 PMKirohAnd if all else fails attack the person's skill or competence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
Tell me what part of having no skills or gear beyond what you start with at level 2 is 'unintended'?
Or better yet, how my ability to supply myself with level 50 gear on the drop of a hat is relevant to new players?
Or how any of what you've been lashing out at is relevant or productive discussion rather than just trolling.
Any of those would be lovely to know.
Also, the sheep had nothing to do with my leve, that was one of those random "Easy to kill" mobs you were talking about. -
10-07-2011, 05:20 PMGramulMy main point is that the game is much more active than it was before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blarp
Perhaps my use of the phrase "server population" was not the best choice.Oh wait, I never said that.
What I said was:
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[...]there are more players now than sense the game began[...]
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10-07-2011, 05:26 PMBetelgeuzahIts funny that even when your options are so limited at that level, you still managed to screw it up. You don't need gear beyond level 1 nor skills beyond level 2 to handle everything the game throws at you at that stage. Blaming the game when the problem is at the other side of the screen is hilarious but understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
New players can't tap the same resources you do. They have essentially 0 gil to start with, unlike you. They haven't experienced the game yet, so they have no bias when it comes to playing it. You on the other hand, tried to just do what was familiar to you and failed horribly at it. Don't blame me.
You: Nobody can level I couldn't get to 5 by playing the game wrong plz fix it SE QQQuote:
Or how any of what you've been lashing out at is relevant or productive discussion rather than just trolling.
Me: It's easier than ever to level up to 20's while supplying yourself, and here's my experience to prove it.
If that isn't relevant to the discussion, nothing is. You spread misconceptions, I try to correct them as best as I can. It's a tough task however, I'll give you that much. -
10-07-2011, 05:31 PMKirohMe : It's rather difficult for new players to level early on, I realize it's an issue that SE may not want to deal with but if it's not fun for new players the game is going to have problems later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
You : YOU SUXXOR, WAI LEVEL 47 TALKIN ABOUT LOW LEVEL XPZ?!?! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING STFU.
Yeah, productive discussion on your part indeed.
I realize relevant may be a difficult concept for you to grasp, but please for our sakes, try.
(My level, skill, personal bias, and previous game experience are not relevant when a new player who has NONE OF THESE is the one who started the thread drawing attention to the issue in the first place.) -
10-07-2011, 05:40 PMBled
This should be FFXIV's box art: http://www.unwinnable.com/wp-content...hammer-40K.gif
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10-07-2011, 05:40 PMTunaTime
Hopefully SE will realize that new players aren't enjoying leveling as it is now and changing "the beginning". I'm not saying that patch 1.19 is bad, I actually enjoy it at the mid 20's, but level 1 - 5 / 10 could be changed into a "tutorial" type of quest where you got abit of gil, exp and gear.
I'm fearing that if things stays like this the PS3 launch will be a big fail. -
10-07-2011, 05:45 PMXeno
You joined the game at the wrong time Q_Q
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10-07-2011, 05:46 PMAion
argh,I wanna try to create new char,to test the lower level..but I wanna max my GLA ASAP
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10-07-2011, 05:47 PMBetelgeuzahIgnoring all the facts I laid out to the table to support that statement, of course.Quote:
You : YOU SUXXOR, WAI LEVEL 47 TALKIN ABOUT LOW LEVEL XPZ?!?! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING STFU.
This is me, doing what you can't, easily, efficiently, and productively. While at the same time contradicting, and proving wrong, your statementQuote:
It took me 15 minutes to get from level 1 to 5, in which time I also earned 60k worth of mats to sell
leves that send you across half the world to kill 2 mobs just to earn 100xp and 200gil at the end of the task is not as effective ---- killing the dozens of easy-to-kill targets crowded in one place that earn you enough EXP to level up with ease up to level ten, not to mention drop a lot of good mats to be used for acquiring currency at the same time
Which, considering my experiences (not affected by bias, misconceptions or plentiful resources, for reasons which I also laid down beforehand) is a false statement.Quote:
It's rather difficult for new players to level early on
Lastly,
They are, indeed, relevant considering you are incorrect, in both playing the game and analyzing the actual shortcomings of the lower level experience.Quote:
My level, skill, personal bias, and previous game experience are not relevant when a new player who has NONE OF THESE is the one who started the thread drawing attention to the issue in the first place.
Instead, one could draw attention to the real problems of low level experience, for example, lack of tutorial explaining how the Marketplace and Retainers function, the now-useless level 1 leves drawing attention away from the actual mechanics of leveling post-1.19 and the currently short supply of low level equipment, even though it is both easy and cheap to make due to the changes. Although most of these issues are a part of learning the game mechanics and not part of the actual game mechanics (which are fine, as demonstrated above).
You know what's productive and relevant? Analyzing the game correctly without letting previous bias determine how the game is played and drawing conclusions from that, false experience. -
10-07-2011, 05:48 PMIsaaru
It really is a horrible time for new players to join specifically because how the damage formulas were changed to revolve around gear and materia, and since materia just came out I can't say it will be fun for 2-4 weeks.
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10-07-2011, 05:51 PMBetelgeuzahMateria is not in any shape or form relevant at low levels. Gear is cheap to make and mats easy to come by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaaru
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10-07-2011, 05:56 PMTunaTimeSo before any new player can enjoy the game they have to level crafting? That makes sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
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10-07-2011, 05:57 PMQuanta
Betelgeuzah, it's time to stop posting. You're just coming off as an arrogant prick doling out shitty advice at this point, and there are enough of those on the forums as it is since the patch hit.