Why is Housing even desired?

I have a small house and while I have fun buying cozy expensive furniture once a while and decorate the House is a useless feature. Besides vanity and some minor advantages there is nothing to desire. I feel it's not rewarding to the owner. The only thing I like about it is that Inhave market board retainer bell and mender all very close with a cheap tp and without a crowded retainer bell. That's all. We still must run to Inns for aesthetician though which is dumb. I think housing needs to be something more and reward the owner better. After all it's supposed to be an investment. The other thing I don't like is that houses are isolated. Your friends need a map and instructions I order to pay a visit. It's really inaccessible for outsiders.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

chocobo raising is pointless too? cause if you want your lv20 chocobo, you need a garden, a stable helps too. unless you only play FF14 for the "challenge", in that case i'll recommend FF11.

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yes it's pointless, i didn't even do the introductory quest for chocobo raising/racing.. what's the point, really?
i could let others do the gardening, and just...pay them, or i could just use FC plots. or if there was no housing, i'm sure we could do gardening anyway - like a botanical garden, in BTN section of Gridania.
but i did make some thav onions, cause well...i had this house that no one wanted, but i wanted onions...and it was so stupid and time consuming, and stupid ppl putting onions on MB, for stupid prices, so i'll never do that again.
lv 20 chocobo is also stupid, since even at that lv 20, it's weak and stupid, cause it just stands there like a derp, and dies. and if i run away to the other side of the continent, it still attacks mobs, cause it's stupid, and stupid chocobo is dead chocobo - but it's ok, cause you can summon a clone of it, by dropping a gyshal green, on the ground.

i would maybe try XI, if it wasn't so ugly and stupid - and it has tarutaru who are ugly and stupid...except maybe Shantoto, who's still ugly and stupid, and i have her as a minion, and i wish i didn't, and i cant get rid of it /wrist.
and from what i hear, XI wasn't really any challenge anyway, just mind-numbing-grinding (which some stupid people thought was fun) and eh, i'm sure Alex Savage is challenging, though i haven't tried it yet.
i watched a let's-play of XI, and i can't unsee it. If they did a remake of it though...and deleted taru, i'd give it a try.
but atm i'm mostly just looking forward to XV - i'm sure there's stupid NPCs in it though, like your party members doing stupid things, cause of stupid AI.
I do like challenges though - the more hectic it gets, the better i perform, and the more fun i have. unfortuantly it requires other people, most of who are stupid, and die cause they just decided to walk off the island, in Bismarck EX, and Ravana EX, i guess.

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Originally Posted by Magistrella

Yes, so pointless - except when you want to make money by only tending your plants and sending out airships

Oh, and creating free FC buffs~ (Rank 3 are Aetherial Wheel exclusive)

^o^

/edit: add a cheap teleport to a place where i have no loading time due to no cluttering (unlike laglimsa) and everything i need (Retainers, MB, NPCs etc.) in one space


@OP: if you have housing: 100k are pocket change - use your garden - there are still items out there that can only be gardened and have quite a value

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uhm, i don't care about gil, which is why i bought a house, and planned to give it away to some FC member. only stupid people care about gil, cause nothing worth having, can be bought with gil, except maybe buying Ravana EX wins, and only stupid people do that, and only stupid people sell that.
but yah, housing area is quite nice to get away from stupid people, and easy access to MB which is run by stupid people.
i mean, your sig says it all.

this is a video game, everything is pointless.

your BIS Dreadwyrm gear got replaced by dungeon scraps and quest reward items for flying around looking for Moogles.

Praise the Lord of Stupidity for he will consume us all.n;)

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Originally Posted by Riardon

Praise the Lord of Stupidity for he will consume us all.n;)

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i don't want to be consumed by stupidity though - there's plenty of victims of that, already...mostly in america, middle east, north korea, sweden, africa, china, russia, india, australia, and the rest of europe.

I love having a FC house. I take personal pride in having made a lot of its furnishings and decorating my room with things I've made or earned from the stuff I've made. It's great to be able to stable, train, and dye our chocobos.

And if there were no housing market I wouldn't be making a bunch of money off selling items for it. ;D

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Originally Posted by Radacci

i don't want to be consumed by stupidity though - there's plenty of victims of that, already...mostly in america, middle east, north korea, sweden, africa, china, russia, india, australia, and the rest of europe.

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calling everyone else "stupid"... you must have tons of friends right?

oh right, you spend you days trolling MMO forums and players, you're clearly in need of human interraction, why dont you try changing your attitude instead? or are you too stupid to understand that...

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Originally Posted by Riardon

Praise the Lord of Stupidity for he will consume us all.n;)

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Originally Posted by Radacci

i don't want to be consumed by stupidity though - there's plenty of victims of that, already...mostly in america, middle east, north korea, sweden, africa, china, russia, india, australia, and the rest of europe.

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Too late. That already happened when the internet was invented. It hath consumed us all.

I like to play with the furniture. :3 Every once in awhile I rip it all down and change it! Probably one of my favorite things to do besides raiding.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

calling everyone else "stupid"... you must have tons of friends right?

oh right, you spend you days trolling MMO forums and players, you're clearly in need of human interraction, why dont you try changing your attitude instead? or are you too stupid to understand that...

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Now now, there are some locations which weren't in that list so it's not "everyone." ;-)

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

calling everyone else "stupid"... you must have tons of friends right?

oh right, you spend you days trolling MMO forums and players, you're clearly in need of human interraction, why dont you try changing your attitude instead? or are you too stupid to understand that...

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i wasn't making personal attacks, you are though. i was only attacking everyone in the whole world.
also i'm not entirely serious, only about 95%
no i don't have tons of friends, cause most of the people i know...well you get it.
human interaction is pointless, when they are stupid.
Well....you can try seeing me as grumpy cat, and it will all be more fun.
i'm actually a really nice guy, IRL, even to stupid people - then i try backing away slowly.
It's difficult being a nice guy, cause everyone takes you for granted, and take advantage of you, cause they are stupid - even more so, cause they don't realize what they are doing.
they don't know what they are missing until i walk away - those that don't care about me when i'm at the lowest, don't deserve my attention, when i'm at my best.
but it's easy to judge people online, when they are just a picture, or comment, ya?
i'm just bored, and venting a bit, with occasional aggressive outbursts - mostly cause ppl are stupid.
my stupid-rant today, was mostly just a random thing, that was for fun (just for me i guess) at least until you made a personal attack, and ruined the mood, so now i feel bad about it.
that was a turn of events, you didn't expect ;)

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Originally Posted by Elim

I like to play with the furniture. :3 Every once in awhile I rip it all down and change it! Probably one of my favorite things to do besides raiding.

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O.o Sounds so aggressive and exciting at the same time!!

Don't rip it down so hard, or you might pull a muscle. :p

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Originally Posted by aesteval

Now now, there are some locations which weren't in that list so it's not "everyone." ;-)

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i dont think this list is 100% accurate

[QUOTE=Radacci;3275609]i don't even know what to say about people that play lalafells...maybe they were drunk and/or high, and thought it was funny - or you're a girly man, and thought it was cute...or you're a girl and think it's cute.

Well, in RL I am 6ft zip and 330 lbs male built for football. I play as a Lalafell since Dwarfs weren't included and I for vanity I want to short stacked guy in game. I also like long hair but cant pull it off in RL.

Au Ra look cool, and I may change to it, but I am still digging my looks at a Lalafell...Now to get the 8K of MGP so I can finally (hopefully) get the good ponytail look happening.

I want it since it is in game content. I also want it because there is something cool about having your own place in the game world. My very small FC has a small house, and I have bought a private room which is enough for me for now.

With the additions of areas and changes coming to housing in the future, I may end up owning a place that is what I truly want - Large Mansion lot with a chocobo shack and trees with hammocks, and a garden. Not really sure how the workshop would work into that, but if it is available for private houses, I am sure SE will figure out how to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Aoxaviar

Well, in RL I am 6ft zip and 330 lbs male built for football. I play as a Lalafell since Dwarfs weren't included and I for vanity I want to short stacked guy in game. I also like long hair but cant pull it off in RL.

Au Ra look cool, and I may change to it, but I am still digging my looks at a Lalafell...Now to get the 8K of MGP so I can finally (hopefully) get the good ponytail look happening.

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are you a roegdyn or something? :D
well lalas certainly are short

I have a few questions for you Mr. Radacci. You claim to not care about housing, yet in your first post you own a personal house. On Balmung in fact one of the most notorious servers for having a housing shortage.

You also claim you're a nice guy. So why are you keeping this house that you do not want when there are hundreds of free companies who need one so they can begin airship ventures? So they won't be so far behind when Square allows fcs to actually ride on the airships to special areas.

Perhaps what the problem is you are secretly a selfish and cruel person and you are either waiting for someone or some group to come along and offer a disgusting amount of gil as a bribe to get you to give up this house you do not want. Even though you claim not to care about gil.

Perhaps you just take pleasure in the suffering of your fellow man as they are denied a feature of the game that should be open to all...that in most other mmos (even the ftp ones) are easily accessible for any player.

People on Balmung want housing for several reasons, it gives roleplayers a sanctuary from the trolling that occurs in Ul'dah, there's gardening, chocobo raising, bonuses for crafters with the right furniture, and now for fcs airships that can not only bring back rare materials but will one day take the FC to sky islands where we can fight rare monsters for fantastic loot.

So if you are truly 'nice' as you claim to be, you would make a server wide announcement that you are giving up your plot to a homeless free company free of charge because in truth that would be the nice thing to do.

I run a near solo FC with a medium house and I abuse the fuck out of the workshop, the chocobo stables and my garden.

Because I... enjoy housing systems in other MMOs and like building up a place for a character to live? Or just creating a setting for rp or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Linadae

I have a few questions for you Mr. Radacci. You claim to not care about housing, yet in your first post you own a personal house. On Balmung in fact one of the most notorious servers for having a housing shortage.

You also claim you're a nice guy. So why are you keeping this house that you do not want when there are hundreds of free companies who need one so they can begin airship ventures? So they won't be so far behind when Square allows fcs to actually ride on the airships to special areas.

Perhaps what the problem is you are secretly a selfish and cruel person and you are either waiting for someone or some group to come along and offer a disgusting amount of gil as a bribe to get you to give up this house you do not want. Even though you claim not to care about gil.

Perhaps you just take pleasure in the suffering of your fellow man as they are denied a feature of the game that should be open to all...that in most other mmos (even the ftp ones) are easily accessible for any player.

People on Balmung want housing for several reasons, it gives roleplayers a sanctuary from the trolling that occurs in Ul'dah, there's gardening, chocobo raising, bonuses for crafters with the right furniture, and now for fcs airships that can not only bring back rare materials but will one day take the FC to sky islands where we can fight rare monsters for fantastic loot.

So if you are truly 'nice' as you claim to be, you would make a server wide announcement that you are giving up your plot to a homeless free company free of charge because in truth that would be the nice thing to do.

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So here's me. look at those eyes - windows to the void.
and that vicious smirk.
that beard, sharp as razors - shredding lalafells, as i thrash about.
so much evil, it's unbearable!
http://s23.postimg.org/dhuzchekr/20121109_145230.jpg

uhmmm...well you're very wrong, i don't take any pleasure in anyone suffering, except maybe Donald Trump, and idiots like him - and it's always fun when karma kicks some idiots, right where it hurts.
as i said, i got it for the purpose of giving it to some FC member, who couldn't log in, on time, to buy it. but no one wanted it, so i just started putting stuff in there. also, since i already have a house, and won't be able to get one, again...well maybe i will get some use of it. Also i have IRL friends, who are currently leveling, and they want a house, so i'll probably give it to one of them.
it's a small house, so dunno if there's even airship available to those?
I hate gil, and gil sellers, i hate everyone on the market board who sell stuff for exorbitant prices. i like undercutters, and squeal with joy, when capitalists cry over undercutters - in fact i undercut, myself, when i can be bothered to even use the MB.
I hate money IRL too, and how it makes ppl stupid and blind, selfish and greedy.
So, no, i'm not secretly waiting for someone to bribe me :)

well you're right, it would be nice for them to have some house - but at the same time i'm sort of wondering why RP people....don't just use LS chat or something? then they don't need to get pestered about it. Linkpearls is kind of a "real" item, that lets you communicate on distance (which might be a bit odd, if you're close to each other) but yah. Also it kind of goes both ways - RP ppl get trolled, and non-rp people feel trolled from RP people. As an example there has been 2-3 ppl that wanted to RP i guess, and they admired my *pole* when i was drg, and wanted me to show it to them. It's referred to as ERP?

as i said earlier, it's easy to judge someone online, when people are just a characters face, and some comments. I know i can be a bit of a douche here and various forums - people online seem to have that effect on me, especially on game forums, and YT. It's mind boggling how close-minded some people are, and how little common sense they have. Mostly i just roll my eyes, and move on, sometimes i just need to vent.
i'm not like this IRL, and even in-game - only on these forums.
IRL people like my company, cause i'm really chill, and make ppl relaxed - so they come here, to my sanctuary of relaxation (lol) and fall asleep.
When they need something, i always help out, whenever. Unfortunately that means that people take me for granted - ask for much, and give little in return.
"sometimes you need to be a little selfish, cause kindness is seldom appreciated" - Someone.

So yah, assume what you will, but i'm not this vile person you think i am :)

I am of a mind that we need posable mannequins that can wear all sorts of armor and perform any battle or crafting action (example: like when frozen from Shiva) . Imagine all the fun layouts you could make and imagine the drive to run old content (albeit a weak reason) being to get glam and gear, not for your retainer, but for a house mannequin. Oh man lol

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I am of a mind that we need posable mannequins that can wear all sorts of armor and perform any battle or crafting action (example: like when frozen from Shiva) . Imagine all the fun layouts you could make and imagine the drive to run old content (albeit a weak reason) being to get glam and gear, not for your retainer, but for a house mannequin. Oh man lol

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something like this? well it might not be fun, out of context.
but yah, it would be nice with mannequins - i think they even mentioned it long ago...but i guess it would use up to much server data, or such. so it's not likely
http://s4.postimg.org/rhnlaj2ct/ffxi...014_164036.png

I didn't want a personal house at first. I had my FC room, which I still have, and I was content with that.

Then a FC member who joined long after the initial land grab began saying she wanted a beach house in Mist. One day I heard someone shouting for such a one for sale, so I grabbed her girlfriend, got her character logged in, and loaned her the 3.5 mil she needed to complete the transaction. (The person was selling to move to Balmung. So it goes.)

After that, I began to really want a house in The Goblet. That way our FC would have a housing presence in all three zones! (Our FC mansion is in Lavender Beds.) I even had a dream about it. Just a few weeks ago, some bizarre series of events led to a small lot opening up in Ward 6 of The Goblet with no one actively buying it. I dropped all my gil on that faster than you can say "GUESS ITS MINE NOW!"

I do zero lawn decoration in real life, despite my husband and I owning the house, so I'm really excited about doing themed lawns for the upcoming fall season.

TL;DR: I wanted a house because I wanted to play The Sims with it.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I don't see the whole point in having a "house" and I'm very vocal about it.

What does it do to help you get better at this game? Does it give you a buff? Does it give you extra exp?

It does absolutely nothing for you. People even buy houses for the sake of it and NEVER get in it.

Just a waste of money and space. Same goes to this ridiculous "eternal bond" business. It does not contribute to anything that help u in this game.

Each to their own I guess.

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News Flash: The whole point of a GAME is to have FUN.

And, yes, when playing games, I find it fun to have my own virtual pad to customize, similarly to how I like to have the coolest looking armor, and so forth and so on.

This whole game is a frivolity. From the customer's perspective, it serves no purpose in life other than as a source of enjoyment. (Kind of like housing and so forth mainly exists as a source of enjoyment.)

And I freakin' love it.

Have house.

WTS plot 15mil.

PST.


Lel.

Mr. Radacci I'm not assuming anything about you. I'm just theorizing as to why you're holding on to a resource you've repeatedly deemed stupid. And yes, small houses do give airship access to fcs. My own fc has a small house and we finished our airship not too long ago.

As for roleplayers, we rp in /say so other rpers can join in. LS's can only have 125 people in them and there are FAR more rpers on Balmung than one LS can possibly hold.

Erping is a different animal entirely and the...I suppose you can call us the hardcore rpers insist that erping be done either in party chat or in a personal room/house that belongs to one of the people involved.

Those that erp in public chats are more trolls than real rpers. Real rpers will never try to involve a non rper unless they express interest.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I don't see the whole point in having a "house"

What does it do to help you get better at this game? Does it give you a buff? Does it give you extra exp?

It does absolutely nothing for you.

Just a waste of money and space. It does not contribute to anything that help u in this game.

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Yeah...

Ans what's with these fools who want graphics?

We should all just be floating green squares on a black gridded background with numbers along the side so we can be more accurate about positioning.

What benefit does having an Au Ra give you? Everyone should be exactly the same because there's no notable benefit to diversity; we should ALL be Donald Trump avatars. That are of course - green squares.

Why do people insist on having names too? Just put the class of their toon above their head to help avoid confusion. We also need to remove all these armor sets and glamour. And have just one mount - a triangle because that way it can be exactly 1 polygon and really help reduce lag.

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Originally Posted by Linadae

Mr. Radacci I'm not assuming anything about you. I'm just theorizing as to why you're holding on to a resource you've repeatedly deemed stupid. And yes, small houses do give airship access to fcs. My own fc has a small house and we finished our airship not too long ago.
As for roleplayers, we rp in /say so other rpers can join in. LS's can only have 125 people in them and there are FAR more rpers on Balmung than one LS can possibly hold.

Erping is a different animal entirely and the...I suppose you can call us the hardcore rpers insist that erping be done either in party chat or in a personal room/house that belongs to one of the people involved.

Those that erp in public chats are more trolls than real rpers. Real rpers will never try to involve a non rper unless they express interest.

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it's not that i think housing is stupid, i was just calling everything stupid, cause i had a tardarsauce moment...which you cant on this forum, cause ppl think you're serious (well i was to some degree)
I can see the appeal, since it was a bit of fun, to craft up your own house, for a few days anyway. I mostly play for raiding, and some people play for fishing, and some ppl like to furnish houses, so if you like that kind of stuff, i can see ppl going ermergerd, houuusse, need it! kind if like i go: ermergerd...gief me Ravana EX pt! and savage! raid all the things \o/

we'll see what i'll do...my friends are kinda ultra casual, so they don't play a lot, so if i give them a house...it will kind of be the same thing as me just keeping one, and not using it much.

well it would honestly be scary if more than 125 RPers met up in one place, anyway ^^
but yah, i get it.

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

No, if it's got to happen, make instanced housing for those players who WANT instanced hosuing. Leave MY house the fsck ALONE!

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Look, I know you have a hard-on over the idea that other players actually care about looking at your house (they really don't), but the current system is unsustainable. There are far too many players and more join the game very day. Even if the game's population were static, the fact that there's no limit to how many Free Companies can be made per server still brings rise to the issue of there never being enough homes to go around. The number of homes per ward is too small (only 30 plots in each ward and subdivision) and each plot being a set size further exacerbates the problem. It's a mess that's only going to get worse.

We need instanced housing. The "house" doesn't have to be you zoning into a room, it can look just like the plots we have now (complete with an outdoor area), only it's instanced instead of being in a big neighborhood. The absolute best way to deal with it is give everyone a small house/plot (smaller than our current small houses) for free and you can pay gil to increase your acreage and modify your house. People who have already bought a plot under the old system would just get the equivalent sized upgrade for "free". It can still be connected to a central hub too if you like the idea of having neighbors.

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Originally Posted by Raidenz

they need the housing in LOTRO, use to love killing new bosses and filling my house with their random body parts to show off.

LOTRO was the only game that I've played that I actually wanted to spend time messing with housing.

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^This. I don't give a damn about crafting a couch with garuda's feathers (well, only a single feather, in actuality). I want to mount her F-ing head on the wall.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I know you have a hard-on over the idea that I care about looking at your house

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Yeah, well, that's just your opinion, man. Don't like it, don't look.

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There are too many players and more join every day.

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And? The entitled crowd can wait like everyone else.

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The "house" can look just like the plots we have, only instanced.

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To ease server constraints, they'd HAVE to look EXACTLY ALIKE.

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People under the old system get equivalent "free". ..connected to a central hub if you like having neighbors.

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SE could've made the current system workable. But guess what? MONEY. Instances wouldn't have "hubs", the best you'd get is a system based on FC rooming. And who's to say who lives where? When everyone wants to live next to Twitch Streamer A, then what?

I'm not getting shoved in a box against my will for "free", I'd want all gil invested in the house refunded, since it wouldn't be the house I paid for.

There will never be enough houses...ever. Temporarily there may be when a new subdivision comes out (for maybe two weeks). It's a nice looking system to be sure, but there are so many hardware limitations (server and lovely ps3) to prevent increasing the number of houses indefinitely. I'm kind of surprised they didn't come up with a different housing plan. There is sadly no endgame i see for supply to EVER meet demand. I mean there might have been before they allowed players to share the same lots as fc housing. I guess I can see why people weren't pleased with that design choice. Maybe we will see more with the cleanup of player's houses that quit the game.

Having a house that no one ever goes to but you can get old. I feel good for the people that actually have friends over their house and stuff. But once a friend has seen your house there is like no reason for them to ever go back really, unless you do something drastic to it... "Oh you got a moogle chandelier? Neat!" "Do I need to come see you ask? Nah, I seen one before. I can't figure out how to get to your subdivision anyway!"

The addition of friend access to private housing sounds interesting and should make visiting friends homes more useful if they can use things like a mender and the teleport to features. I suppose we'll see how that goes soon enough. Personally I wish my alts could access my private housing features but I don't suspect that is in the mix given we'd most likely have to be able to friend ourselves.

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Originally Posted by OJ191

how is 100k NOT pocket change for a private room?

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They're 300k. Which, looked at from another angle, is 50% more than you've accumulated in your entire time in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

To ease server constraints, they'd HAVE to look EXACTLY ALIKE.

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Graphics are rendered on the client side, so the house can look like how it wants Since only the type and decorations have to be transfered

I always feel grateful to be the owner of one of the last large houses as my personal house in Cerberus whenever I read threads like these,

But seriously,

Furnishing and gardening on such house size is overwhelming.

Our dolls?
Wtf is this

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

And? The entitled crowd can wait like everyone else.

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It is not a matter of waiting. The vast majority of players will never have a house in this system, no matter how hard they work or how long they wait. The system is broken.

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

And? The entitled crowd can wait like everyone else.

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You can count me as part of that "entitled crowd" you speak of, and I'm proud of it. Why?

Because I pay the same sub fee as everyone else, and I AM entitled to have equal access to all the same content as everyone else, including housing.

My thoughts (link to my long post in the Housing forum):

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Originally Posted by Velisra

The player base should accept nothing less than a complete rebuild of the housing system from SE.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I feel good for the people that actually have friends over their house and stuff. But once a friend has seen your house there is like no reason for them to ever go back really, unless you do something drastic to it... "Oh you got a moogle chandelier? Neat!" "Do I need to come see you ask? Nah, I seen one before. I can't figure out how to get to your subdivision anyway!"

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My friends come to my house all the time, and mostly uninvited. They use my dummy, chat, run around spamming event items, check if I made any changes, craft, use the MB, etc. Sometimes I log in and find a few of them AFK in my yard. I'm excited about house sharing so those who like to hang at my house can use the gardens and stables. Hopefully they will also be able to teleport there.