I'm Crap and I Know it

Ok, I am going to be the unpopular one here by commenting from a strictly pragmatic point of view.

First of all, I am calling this an "attention grabbing" thread. By calling out your illness while at the same time self-commiserating yourself with terms like "crap" you are clearly expecting a bunch of people to try to convince you otherwise due to the fact that "being nice with unlucky strangers on the Internet is cool".
You then write that you are just curious, but if that was your original intent, there was no need to label yourself as "crap" or adding stuff like "watch out for me". You could have kept it much more neutral without attracting the horde of white knights.

Secondly, "crap" is a subjective term. You probably aren't suited for endgame raiding (or, more generally, group content as a whole), which means that yes, if put into such a situation, you would be severely underperforming and thus bad. There are no two ways around it. Performance is a parameter which is objectively measurable regardless of your personal circumstances.
Accept that, due to your situation, you are indeed "bad" in terms of performance. People in this thread trying to convince you otherwise in order to feel better with themselves are not going to change reality.

Now, feel free to flame away at me.

I play with essential tremor. Causes uneasy shaking in the hands and arms. Very rarely when excited or nervous (near death or first time in dungeon I guess) it happens in my neck.

I've found playing with weights and magnetic apparel helps kinda. The idea is to lower the effect of the shaking.

Playing with the keyboard was rough cause the shaking had no where to go and spasmatically hit wrong keys. Hooked ps3 controller into PC and got a made in china driver for it and now its a lot easier to play. Arms can shake freely and there is hardly any shake in the hands, none in the fingers.

Magnetic wrist watch ftw.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

First of all, I am calling this an "attention grabbing" thread. By calling out your illness while at the same time self-commiserating yourself with terms like "crap" you are clearly expecting a bunch of people to try to convince you otherwise due to the fact that "being nice with unlucky strangers on the Internet is cool".

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You beat me to it. That being said, people are indeed bad, and while you may play a subscription to play, so do the other 3-7 people in your group. You seem self conscious enough to be aware of your performance, but that does not mean others are. I personally can care less on what someones situation is, nor should you care about my own. It is a game you play, and you are allowed to play it the way you see fit, just as others are within their rights to choose who they want to, and if that happens to not be with you, who are you to judge.

My name is Joxer TheMighty in game.

I was born with Polio effecting both legs, my left arm, and my eyesight. Like a past person who posted, I lack depth perception.

Who am I in the game? I am usually your tank. The only guff I ever get if from younger folks who seem to have disabilities worse than I (ADHD and Turrets)

Look past your disability or work with it. I can attest to your only limitation being those you set up yourself.

Yes indeed. You've got to work within your limitations. If I know my performance is going to affect the rest of the group severely, I'm not going to queue for that thing immediately. This is why I'm actually looking forward to a sort of mentor/practice system so that I can wail away and get the mechanics down without wiping a group.

Hi. I suffer from Narcolepsy. While I have meds that significantly reduce the disorder's effects, the meds only work for about 12-18 hours. By the end of the day, they've worn off, and I sometimes suffer from micro-nap episodes (imagine falling asleep for ~1-5 seconds several times a minute and having dreams during those "naps"). It can be hard to predict when or if this will happen because it can come on pretty suddenly. When I'm trying to get in a bunch of daily roulettes before going to bed, I'll often go until I either finish or have a dungeon run where it happens to me. Sure, I could stop running dungeons late at night, but I'm not one to let an illness dictate my schedule, and it can be pretty variable when it occurs (sometimes at 10pm, sometimes not until 2am) if it even occurs at all.

When I start having this problem in dungeons, I'll often start running into walls, or backwards, or leroying forward and aggroing stuff I shouldn't be aggroing. I usually catch myself pretty quickly, as there's only so much you can do in 1-5 seconds, but still. I sometimes do get kicked when it happens, especially if it happens multiple times in party-wiping manners, or if I fall asleep for an extended period of time (contrary to the movies, this is rare - micro-nap episodes are much more common, and when it does happen, it usually comes after several micro-nap episodes, not just suddenly out of the blue). But, people have been surprisingly okay about it. "Let's just finish the dungeon" is the usual response to me apologizing for falling asleep.

While I feel really bad about it when it happens, I'm with the OP in not letting a medical condition keep us from playing the game, even if it might cause some inconvenience for others. And, while that stance could be seen as selfish, it's no worse than someone wearing spiritbond gear or being severely undergeared or lacking a key cross-class skill or using a sub-optimal rotation or single-targeting when the tank multi-pulls or single-pulling in easy content or not DPSing as a healer or in any other way playing their role sub-optimally. If I don't have a problem with healers who don't DPS or tanks who don't pull at the right pace, I think its fair for other players to deal with a player running into walls for a few seconds (in my case) or who is sometimes a little slow on skill use (like the OP).

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Ok, I am going to be the unpopular one here by commenting from a strictly pragmatic point of view.

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I don't know the OP and can't speak for them, but I can say it can be comforting for someone with a disability to know that they aren't alone. I read the OP as them just trying to (1) validate their decision to run dungeons despite a handicap that adversely affects their ability to play the game optimally, and (2) see if anyone else is in a similar position and how they handle it. These are, in my opinion, both totally valid and important. Look, it's great that you don't have a disability. It really is. But other people do live with a disability every day, and it isn't always easy. We aren't here to troll you. We just want to play the darn game.


If you think its selfish for someone to go into a roulette knowing they might perform worse than the average player, then you must think the majority of players are pretty selfish. It turns out that half of them perform worse than the average player.

In DF, you get matched with random people. Some of them perform better than others - that's just how it is. Is it also selfish for someone in minimum ilvl gear to queue for a duty? Or healers who don't have THM to 26 for Swiftcast? Or anyone who is playing a role they are unfamiliar with? Or anyone who has new skills that they haven't completely figured out how to use optimally yet? If you only ever want to run dungeons with the absolute best performers, set up parties through PF (and be sure to indicate just how awesome you are at the game in the PF description - its very important).


Strictly speaking, the most pragmatic way to deal with underperformers is to change your playstyle to accommodate them where possible. That gets the duty over sooner, reduces wipes, prevents having to wait for someone new to join, and keeps the environment from becoming hostile or unwelcoming. Calling out everyone who isn't as good as you think they should be for being an underperformer is not pragmatism, nor is saying that people with disabilities shouldn't play video games.

Hi.

If any of you feel devalued because of a condition or any reason rather, you're welcome to switch to my server and join my FC. I want people to have fun regardless of their skill or condition, and I realize that many of the top players in this community have a nasty habit of being incredibly exclusive towards other players. They want avatars of stats and progress, and aren't concerned with the players who control them.

Regardless, try and seek out those who are social, kind, and helpful. If people can't understand your situation or make you feel bad because of it? Don't be around them.

There are those, like myself, who are considerate of others. Seek them out.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

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I never said "bad" people should not play videogames, please do not put words into my mouth, thanks.
What I said is, opening a thread stating that you are "crap" because you have an illness is clearly an attention grabbing thread. Period.
Feel free to play the game, but please do not be hypocritical. Bad is bad, no two ways around it. Still want to play? No one is stopping you. But I am not going to lie and just hide my head under the sand by saying "Oh no, please don't say such things, you are good!"

OP says he/she is "crap"? Fine, then. Crap it is. Who am I to disagree? If he/she is the first one to think like that, then I am going to think the same.

People are very quick to judge someone based on immediate presentation. In this case a character acting irrational, running into things s/he shouldn't, not making proper attempt to get out of the fire and other bad stuff on the ground, so on and so forth. But then you learn the reason behind the presentation. And hopefully you become enlightened, and show compassion.

I'm glad you've found your fun in the game, though I would certainly be honoured to come across you in a dungeon. You're already a big, bad, whamma jamma.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

"being nice with unlucky strangers on the Internet is cool".

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It's better than being an ass on the internet to unlucky strangers.

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Originally Posted by Calypsx

It's better than being an ass on the internet to unlucky strangers.

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I find those things to be on the same level.

It is much better (and harder, in my opinion) to be completely honest and logical with everyone.

Fair is fair. Fake compassion in order to be socially accepted / feel superior compared to the "rude Internet masses" is not something I desire to show or receive.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I find those things to be on the same level.

It is much better (and harder, in my opinion) to be completely honest and logical with everyone.

Fair is fair.

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If the person asks for a "logical and honest" answer then by all means but not everyone wants to hear it. There's a time and place but some things you should keep to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Calypsx

Nah it's really not equal. If the person asks for a "logical and honest" answer then by all means but not everyone wants to hear it. There's a time and place but some things you should keep to yourself. It's a mix of both but one or the other is not the answer.

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Sorry, I am not sure I understand.

Are you saying that "illogical and dishonest" answers are ok?

I think I'm out of here.

Hi! I hope you find a great FC in Brynhildr, but if you ever happen to get to Exodus or if you come across me or my friends at the Duty Finder, we will be very happy to play with you!

Clap your hands?

Sorry thread title reminded me of that song.

hmmm the game lacks the accessibility for million clicks jobs (as in there dont exist a good alternative to avoid having to click a lot)

my problem is that i cant recall all the mechanics for raids , i forget so easily , thats why i too do the fates and leves , crafting+gathering

i am fine with dungeons ,but i am bad at raids like coils or something similar


but if we could turn the whole game into a voice commanded game then we ll be entering a new era of gaming

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Originally Posted by GeorgeKhan

cooperating with people who have a positive attitude and want to push forward, no matter their personal challenges or particular learning speed.

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How in the world is stating that "I am crap" a positive attitude?

Also, funnily enough, I manage and have managed teams of people both in games and in real life. No brick wall ever hit me. People who start by saying that "they are crap" do not make good team players at all, usually.

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Originally Posted by GeorgeKhan;3256512
I trust you have. However, note the difference in language. You used [I

manage[/I]. I used build.

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Semantics. I had to build teams as well, that's not the point.
The point is, it is not up to others to encourage you. If you rely on that, you will fail the moment you are inevitably left alone.
There are people playing games at a competitive level while having severe handicaps. And they are successful. You do not see them writing on the forums they are crap, jokingly or not.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Summoner or Bard should be a good choice for handicapped/sicked players. sometimes I play these jobs with one hand.

I also know a player that play Paladin with one hand (he physically has only one hand) and he's playing just fine.

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I'm very interested how he targets the mob he just lost hate to?
When I tab around I keep targeting mobs who arent even in the fight because SE's crap targeting system.

So without a mouse healers would die

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Originally Posted by GeorgeKhan

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I guess I am simply too cynical to read the OP post like you did.
I still believe that there was no reason to use such derogatory terms against herself. I see that as a clear white knight bait.

But I see your point. We just disagree, which is totally ok.

Please allow me to clear a few things.

1. It is my nature to engage in self-deprecating humor. Given my circumstances, I find it easier to joke about things than complain.

2. Occasionally, there really are brick walls. About three days ago I found I could not hold down the right mouse button reliably -- not a situation you want when doing a dungeon! I cussed a blue streak, had a very brief pity party, then began doing things that didn't require much moving around; like, endless crafting. The upshot is I've leveled up three (almost four) of my crafters to 50. Receive lemons, make lemonade. As a result, I had my first 500K gil sales day as well. I also created a macro for my Orbweaver to help me move around -- managed to harvest 2400 NQ Mythril ore (500 HQ!).

3. Definitely NOT looking for a white knight. My FC mates will attest that I rarely speak in chat and pretty much prefer to be left alone to my own devices. I listen to audio books or music while I craft and I often don't pay attention to the chat window.

Hope this helps.

In my case, I'm not stating something in an attempt to be self deprecating or attention grabbing. I'm making a statement that "hey, I might have these problems in a fight, but I'm learning quickly so don't get your panties in a wad". Most times you wouldn't even notice a difference and that's exactly the way I intend to keep it.

Not to put words in the OP's mouth, but I think they intended the same with their post. It is a matter of "I am playing this game despite my disability. Please show a bit of patience/courtesy to your fellow players and don't immediately fly off the handle and rage at someone because of something that may be beyond their control." I don't think they're saying "accommodate me. Change your playstyle for me. etc."

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I don't think they're saying "accommodate me. Change your playstyle for me. etc."

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That is right on point. First, I won't even think about doing a dungeon unless I'm confident I won't cause a party wipe. I try to read dungeon walk-thru's before I do them, but there is often a lot to remember when doing for the first time. Mostly, I do other things in the game and avoid dungeons altogether when possible. It's not anyone else's duty to keep me entertained, FFXIV offers plenty to do for the most part without having to run dungeons.

The point of this thread was to learn what others were doing to overcome their challenges. I apologize for wording my original post in such a way as to obfuscate my intent.

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Originally Posted by Mallea

The point of this thread was to learn what others were doing to overcome their challenges. I apologize for wording my original post in such a way as to obfuscate my intent.

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I see.
In this case, kindly forgive my cynicism.

Doesn't really matter, a post in this thread with the intent of expecting to get flamed was an attention grab in of itself. There was no need to call anyone out on anything in the first place.

I thought it was neat to see how people are overcoming disabling problems to play the game though.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I see.
In this case, kindly forgive my cynicism.

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Cynicism and Apathy.

It's a shame that a post that was meant to bring to light some issues of people with certain disabilities had to turn in to an argument thread because of "lol, cynicism."

Hi! My Cousin has MS and know (not first hand though) struggle and how difficult it can be. But Just so you know. I play on a PS4 and I use zero mouse clicks. I just cycle through the things I need via the buttons on my controller. Ive gotten very fast at it and I actually play faster and more controlled using a PS4 remote than a keyboard and mouse. Ive done Coil and all the hard content (minus savage Alex) using my ps4 remote and not once can anyone tell im on a ps4. Id say give it a shot :D

My boyfriend who suffered a TBI due to a motorcycle accident has trouble playing sometimes. He has left side neglect, slow reaction time and memory problems. He finds it helpful when I am running with him to guide him through things. Maybe an FC mate can help you over voice programs or just even run with you. Some people harass him for poor dps or not dodging things, which makes me really frustrated. I use to be one of those people who would complain about poor players. Since my boyfriends injury it changed the way I look at other players who may struggle with content cause you never know the real life struggles they may be facing. Some people just really enjoy the game, like my boyfriend since he is unable to work, this is how he spends much of his time. I wish other players would help encourage people rather than kick them or harass them. Who knows, you may make someones day.

I play Tsukie cacsusenti on behemoth. Play with me any time! And don't worry about the vocal minority this community is actually pretty nice.

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Originally Posted by Tsubakii

... this community is actually pretty nice.

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I haven't interacted with many on my server yet; however, I've chatted with a couple of my FC mates and they've been really sweet. Right after I started playing one of them game me 100K gil (which I've since repayed) -- it was a terrific gesture and went a long way in getting me started. My FC leader has been wonderfully supportive. My last MMO was F2P; it suffers a toxic player population. No one in any random squad I've been in has been anything but helpful, despite my frequent screw ups. This is a testament to the wonderful player base.

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