The next step of Relic: And your hopes for it.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

And it's all speculation right now, but it's hinted that both Tirion and/or Thrall will bite the bullet and the players will be there when it happens, thus allowing us to obtain their weapons (I have a very hard time believing that Tirion and Thrall would just hand over their iconic weapons after so long, Thrall maybe as he has children but not Tirion). That alone gives an edge to WoW, putting actual story and lore into each weapon. Each class gets their own quest for the weapon.

Is that too much to ask for here? Some actual story and lore behind these weapons, because the only legendary thing about ARR relics were that they were a legendary bore!

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I will eat a car if Thrall dies.

I told myself I will be patient with the new relic and see what it has to offer. I liked the original up to the beginning of the Zodiac Saga. I can even play devil's advocate for the Atma/Animus phases. But from Novus on, it became quite the disappointment. Almost an insult.

If the new relic shifts from a challenge/skill based objective (even if it isn't a very particularly challenging or requires a lot of skill) to a crafting hybrid/gil sink/artificial grind carrot, I will dump it quick and forever wash my hands of relics permanently.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

If the new relic shifts from a challenge/skill based objective (even if it isn't a very particularly challenging or requires a lot of skill) to a crafting hybrid/gil sink/artificial grind carrot, I will dump it quick and forever wash my hands of relics permanently.

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Theyve already said it would be time consuming so... Hive and Gordian weapon is your skill based objective. So if that's what you want, you don't need to wait for 3.1 you can do that now. A new ex primal with a lvl 200 weapon in 3.1 doesn't sound like a terrible idea though.

I'm not crazy about the fact they tossed the original on the scrap heap, so if they don't take all that work into consideration in some manner come the next phase, that's one little hamster treadmill I'll be avoiding. It's not just relics, though, they should have also allowed upgrades paths for lucis tools. Not thrilled to find 2 years of playing just wiped out, start again. I could have had that fun at any time by starting a new character.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I will eat a car if Thrall dies.

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He's plated in Metzenite, he's not going anywhere.

Unfortunately. Miserable sod of a Green Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

A reused skin isn't a big enough hint. Keep in mind that the Eso weapons are already upgradable. Think about if you upgraded it to ilvl 210 already from the savage drops. You'd have to either get a 210 upgrade item from the 24man which I highly doubt, or spend another 3 weeks of esoterics to grab the abse weapon again.

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I'm confused why you'd think they'd make you get another 210 upgrade item from the 24 man if they did add them if you've got one from Savage?

990 Eso > Savage Upgrade Item > New Relic Quest
990 Eso > 24 Man Uprade Item > New Relic Quest

Though I'm not 99.99% sure that will happen :P

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

I'm not crazy about the fact they tossed the original on the scrap heap, so if they don't take all that work into consideration in some manner come the next phase, that's one little hamster treadmill I'll be avoiding. It's not just relics, though, they should have also allowed upgrades paths for lucis tools. Not thrilled to find 2 years of playing just wiped out, start again. I could have had that fun at any time by starting a new character.

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It was stated when the HW relics were announced that there'll be some bonus for those with a 2.X relic(not sure if it's just Zeta), but we dunno what. A theory I've seen here is that the Zeta will be an alternative base, in place of the upgraded AF2 weapon.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It was stated when the HW relics were announced that there'll be some bonus for those with a 2.X relic(not sure if it's just Zeta), but we dunno what. A theory I've seen here is that the Zeta will be an alternative base, in place of the upgraded AF2 weapon.

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There is no way it will require an upgraded AF2 weapon - base token weapon *maybe* - requiring Savage? no way - that goes against the point of the relic as an alternative to raid drops...

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It was stated when the HW relics were announced that there'll be some bonus for those with a 2.X relic(not sure if it's just Zeta), but we dunno what. A theory I've seen here is that the Zeta will be an alternative base, in place of the upgraded AF2 weapon.

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Honestly, I'm not holding my breath. That would certainly be nice, but I thought this much talked about "bonus" was the fact we get to go back and buy a crap stat version for glamour. I'll hope you're right.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

There is no way it will require an upgraded AF2 weapon - base token weapon *maybe* - requiring Savage? no way - that goes against the point of the relic as an alternative to raid drops...

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We're getting a 24-man in 3.1, and if it follows in the footsteps of CT, the upgrade mats will be obtainable through it.

i sure hope it doesnt require af2 weapon, cuz ive been holding out on that in favor of armor and legs lol

There are multiple paths they could take for it, you could get a weapon which grows stronger by feeding it other weapons ala Mabinogi's spirit weapons.
They could even go for a system like Lotros legendaries I mean those even had a Novus like system where you can put relics/gems into the weapon to boost certain stats.

Personally I'd like to see something like a kind of level up system for the weapons where you go up ilvl by ilvl 190 to 191 so on and so forth while the stats scale up (and maybe even let you decide where the secondary attributes go with each level up) until you hit a cap (eg ilvl200) and to uncap you would need to complete a questline much like we are used to with the old relics...Hopefully with less grind...

Probably would be a bit too samey and boring for most though. I just hope the weapons are given more personality, we were told in the previous relic questline that the weapons had a soul but they never really do anything to show that...Maybe look to the whole mabinogi spirit weapon basics where you actually talk to your weapon, though I may sound crazy wanting to talk to a weapon.

I should clarify; I'm perfectly fine with a time investment, but RNG item grinds/gil sinks/hamster wheeling don't exactly shout "Legendary Weapon" to me. Taking down something badass, or doing something badass does. Raids are raids, and I do enjoy them, but keeping the relic sub-raid accessible shouldn't amount to how rich or lucky you are. But come what may. I've already steeled my resolve to do what's right for me personally, whether that means pursuing or shunning the relic.