SIGN if you Hate PVP GC Restriction & Want Change

SIGNED.

I was a PVP freak last year, always in the top 10 on my former server. I got to rank 40. I got many of the cool rank 40 sets. However, I got so sick and tired of sitting in queue for 45-60 minutes each match, as I was formerly on Primal center in Maelstrom, that I quit PVP all together.

Signed. Queues>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lore.

Signed. I never understood the restriction and how limited it was. It would make PvP more popular if people didn't have to jump through hoops to play with friends/queue faster.

Signed, I don't PvP myself, but if I ever feel the urge to try, it usually doesn't last more than 3 minutes. No way I can get into those things in 3 minutes!

1+'d .

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Signed. Queues>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lore.

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this /signed

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

Ya know, everytime it suits peoples argument, lore is thrown around.

But now that it doesn't, it's suddenly "garbage". I'm conflicted about this. Make up your minds, people.

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People don't like this particular piece of lore because it doesn't fit with the rest of the lore that had been established around the subject of the Grand Companies. It appears to have been created specifically to justify a particular (and mostly unpopular) mechanic.

Everything we knew about the Grand Companies prior to Frontlines indicated that they've been on very friendly terms since they reestablished during the previous Umbral Era. We know their leaders are all on friendly terms. We've seen examples of members of various Grand Companies, and the Grand Companies themselves, working together to further their goal.

But SE wanted to tie Frontlines to GCs, so they went "Er... yeah... it's different in this one place because... um... reasons...?"

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Originally Posted by Ibi

People don't like this particular piece of lore because it doesn't fit with the rest of the lore that had been established around the subject of the Grand Companies. It appears to have been created specifically to justify a particular (and mostly unpopular) mechanic.

Everything we knew about the Grand Companies prior to Frontlines indicated that they've been on very friendly terms since they reestablished during the previous Umbral Era. We know their leaders are all on friendly terms. We've seen examples of members of various Grand Companies, and the Grand Companies themselves, working together to further their goal.

But SE wanted to tie Frontlines to GCs, so they went "Er... yeah... it's different in this one place because... um... reasons...?"

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Great explanation!

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Originally Posted by PlumpyMcduff

Lore-Argument Excuse is GARBAGE!

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Amen

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Signed 10 char

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I also wish they uncoupled PvP rank and points from GC altogether, so you wouldn't have to re-level it all from scratch. Or at the very least that it wouldn't be reset when changing to another GC, then back again. But preferably the former.

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

Ya know, everytime it suits peoples argument, lore is thrown around.

But now that it doesn't, it's suddenly "garbage". I'm conflicted about this. Make up your minds, people.

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Lore cannot be used as an excuse to impede gameplay. Lore should enhance gameplay. If lore is causing 3+ hour long queue times to play one 10 minute match, then the lore needs to change. Luckily for SE, they write the damn lore and can do whatever they hell they want with it. Unluckily for all of us, they just don't seem to care enough.

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Originally Posted by Legendlives

SE gave you a choice of GC, if your friends dont like it tough. If you really wanna play with them join their GC. Those are yours and their choices. Need to live with it and move on from this crap.

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I did move on from this crap, as did 99% of the population. Thus PVP is Dead with a capital D. Fantastic design. You should put in a resume with SE. Sounds like you're of like minds.

signed. also healer gear should look cooler. tired of getting reject stuff for sch. First a deer thing with a butt that sticks out a meter, now a generic white robe.

Ssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigneddd

/signed, +1 thumbs up dump the lore.

/sign.

I also want a better PvP mode than whats coming out. Why not Capture the Flag?

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Originally Posted by Silvanoshi

/sign.

I also want a better PvP mode than whats coming out. Why not Capture the Flag?

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this is pretty much king of the hill.

capture the flag at some point would be great as well..

agree with op /signed.

at least it would revitalize pvp, went on haiatus when pvp was still active ;(

/signed /signed /signed

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

Lore cannot be used as an excuse to impede gameplay. Lore should enhance gameplay. If lore is causing 3+ hour long queue times to play one 10 minute match, then the lore needs to change. Luckily for SE, they write the damn lore and can do whatever they hell they want with it. Unluckily for all of us, they just don't seem to care enough.

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agreed /10char

I'm just signing because I hate PvP.

For my friends who do pvp /signed.

Lore is a horrible excuse for such a restriction because of the way it impedes game play and how at the time Grand Companies were chosen, there was no real meaning to the choice. Now with pvp, and arbitrary decision made at level 20ish that had no consequences determines if I can play with my friends, or jump through the hoops of changing GCs, regrinding up my GC rank, and starting my PVP rank over.

Its not like all my friends are one GC while I'm another. I have some on all 3 GCs, as do they.

This was the #1 complaint about the existing PvP system when it was introduced, why are they doing this again? D:

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They have been aware of how long queues are because of the GC interference. Why create this again when they see the track record shows people dont want the GC restrictions? It's dismissive, redundant and irrational.

and bring back 72 man Secure. They should keep the 3 squads just have mercenary rules to fill slots, I like fighting friends, esp if they are Adders.

I don't hate it by any means. Maelstrong is the greatest.
But at the same time I wouldn't mind a mode that allows parties comprised from any GC.

But what I'd really enjoy is more love in The Wolves' Den. That's the real PvP.

I don't do or like PvP but I think I'd have to agree with this restriction being utterly dumb. First off there are the reasons the OP mentioned. You're the Warrior of Light, you actively help each and EVERY Grand Company regardless of your affiliation. I'm with the Order of the Twin Adder yet I've spent more time helping the Immortal Flames than I have my own company in the story. My Free Company is affiliated with the Immortal Flames yet again, I'm with the Adders. And secondly, there just isn't any valid reason I can think of why it should be restricted. Apparently World of Warcraft has announced you can fight on either side of the war as a mercenary.

That's right, a Human in the Alliance can go join the Horde in PvP. A Tauren can go fight for the enemy. I mean, if you can literally join your enemy's team in bloody combat, not a friendly competition mind you but a war, why can't you sign up for whatever team you want here?

Eh. I'm not even motivated to do PvP - but yes, the fact that the queues take forever, the fact that ranking up takes forever and then you have to do it all over again if you switch GC for whatever reason... yeah, that totally kills it, imo. (No, I understand that what you already achieved is retained, but that's a different thing, you might not ever go back to your old GC.) And if I remember correctly... even Frontline and Wolves' Den ranks are separate.

Even sadder fact is that I as a caster am once again completely unmotivated to even try - yet more robes and reskins of the same long skirt model... no, thank you.

We could just, y'know, party and sign up with friends, and then be put in our respective GC's party once inside - could actually play against friends if they're in a different GC, which I believe would add more fun to it.

Sig---oh wait damn thought this was the "SIGN if you hate PVP... period!"

Get good SE and realise that hardly anyone in your game actually wants goddamn pvp!!!

Or give us Ballista :D

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

And if I remember correctly... even Frontline and Wolves' Den ranks are separate.

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They are the same.

Signed! I enjoy pvp, but it would really be nice to do it with my friends. :c

I think a lot of people are dancing around the practical aspect to encouraging GC-restrictions. A limited number of players.

PvP has always been of niche interest since it was introduced. The wolves den was pretty much dead on arrival, despite a brief burst of activity when it first landed. Frontlines went the way of the dodo. Ignoring the huge lore issues caused by traitorously siding with another Grand Company, it's a fact that people will tend to gravitate to the group their friends are in. Inevitably this leads to a wider imbalance, and is more than likely to double or even triple your current queue times as the less popular GC's are ignored.

In my opinion, they should have left GC's out of it entirely and made it team based. Red team, yellow team, blue team or whatever. Generic teams that anyone can join regardless of their allegiance, which would allow people to team up and join the same side. It would've been difficult to add a story for, but then no one really pays attention to story in a PvP fight anyway.

Still, loosening the restrictions won't make PvP any more popular. The combat system is simply not designed for those sorts of battles, and most people play for the PvE. Still, baby steps.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

They are the same.

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Right, game only separates the stats to different "tabs". Sorry, still need my morning caffeine. @.@

Yup /sign

It is fine to tie frontline with lore but please give a flexible option for us to play with friends. E.g. premade has an option to temporarily switch to leader's GC.

/signed. /signed again. /signed some more.

I've been a proponent to changing this terribly designed restriction since Frontlines came to be.

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

Lore cannot be used as an excuse to impede gameplay. Lore should enhance gameplay. If lore is causing 3+ hour long queue times to play one 10 minute match, then the lore needs to change. Luckily for SE, they write the damn lore and can do whatever they hell they want with it. Unluckily for all of us, they just don't seem to care enough.

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The rule of fun at its finest!

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To all of you here arguing against the removal of this factually negative restriction, I say this:

"You can now only do duties with other members of your Grand Company."

Queue times would skyrocket. You'd be separated from friends lest your group of friends glob together into one GC. You all know damned well that you'd be crying tears all over this forum if that change were to be made.

And it's the same thing we have to deal with in PvP now.

Yeah....the idea was fun at first but now it's just annoying. I'm definitely for ending the GC restrictions

Adding my vote to this. This is some PvP in an MMO I've enjoyed (Frontlines at least) and to essentially get stuck in a never ending queue and not even partaking is ridiculous. Removing the Grand Company restrictions will do more good than harm.

SIGNED


other chance, they can give us the possibility to keep GC restriction but based on FC Grand Company... at least we play with our friends >.< and at least they give a reason for the GC affiliation of a FC

Signed. I'm R45, but the thought of PVPing a month from now once the community has moved onto something else is truly dreadful.

If it's not adjusted by the next Letter to the Producer question thread, someone really needs to address it and ask for support from the PvP community (with "likes").