Midgardsormr's Sorrow [SPOILER]

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Originally Posted by Imakun

Ascians are basically XI's Odin. They're behind EVERYTHING.

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I disliked how the group was okay with leaving Tiamat chained. Sure she wants to punish herself, but it isn't like we really TRIED to talk her out of it, or offered her alternatives.

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Originally Posted by Thandronen

I want some Jormungand!

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We have plenty. One of Jormungandr's titles was "The Midgard Serpent," or Midgardsormr in Old Norse.

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Originally Posted by Doki

I disliked how the group was okay with leaving Tiamat chained. Sure she wants to punish herself, but it isn't like we really TRIED to talk her out of it, or offered her alternatives.

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If it were up to me, I'd break the restraints just to see what Tiamat would do after telling us her sob story. lol

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Originally Posted by Doki

I disliked how the group was okay with leaving Tiamat chained. Sure she wants to punish herself, but it isn't like we really TRIED to talk her out of it, or offered her alternatives.

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She made her choice. Who are we to force her to change it?

EDIT: Plus it's heavily implied that she could easily break out whenever she wants so it's not really on us to do it.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

Tbh I think the story of Heavensward 3.0 has way to much of a pro-Ishgard stance and all the awful stuff to the great wyrms is kinda apart of that.

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I felt the opposite. It seemed like every scene that talked about the war was hammering in that Ishgard was fully in the wrong. The only counterarguement was that the people responsible are long dead.

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

I felt the opposite. It seemed like every scene that talked about the war was hammering in that Ishgard was fully in the wrong. The only counterarguement was that the people responsible are long dead.

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I agree that it was made very clear that the Ishgardians under Thordan had a good thing going and were unconscionably greedy and cruel in what they did. But Nidhogg isn't cast in a great light for persisting in his retribution either: for as much as the dragons are described as experiencing time differently, he is also cast as blind to reason and therefore bringing him down is an unfortunate necessity that even Ysayle cannot entirely condemn. Even as early as Haldrath, the Ishgardians recognise their guilt and regret the situation they find themselves in, yet they are forced to attack the dragons to defend themselves. The blame for starting it all sits squarely with Ishgard, but the responsibility for continuing it for a thousand years is shared, and perhaps falls more heavily on Nidhogg's unrelenting desire for revenge, since he would accept nothing short of their annihilation.

It's a sad story all around, really. The Ishgardians die for the sins of their ancestors without even knowing what they were, while Nidhogg sacrifices his own brood in an endless quest for revenge which can never undo the wrongs of the past.

Certainly feels pretty bad going around these areas old and new and killing the dragons, though, now we know the story, and have even been through sidequests that see us befriend Hraesvelgr's brood and teach us how even the hostile ones mourn for their dead.

I'm pretty sure Tiamat wants out in some manner(she's squirming.), but she doesn't see herself worthy of release, believing to have utterly corrupted her beloved's memory.

As was explained before, dragon concepts of time are different from the relatively short lived people. Trying to convince her to move on might sound as insensitive as telling a widow to get over it days after the funeral.

Besides, what do we know of Bahamut, other than the Primal arse born of her desperation? We can't relate.

Poor Middie, being a single parent's tough, even if you are the father of dragons.

Makes me wonder if dragons cry