So are consoles holding back this game?

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Originally Posted by Blaste

also I find the lack of bathrooms in this game or toilets disturbing..

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My character hasn't eaten or drank anything in the 15 months she's been around, so I guess no need to go.

PS3 is being dropped at 4.0 they showed a slide that said so back in E3's live letter, just after they talked about the invite a friend campaign upgrade if I recall well

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

PS3 is being dropped at 4.0 they showed a slide that said so back in E3's live letter, just after they talked about the invite a friend campaign upgrade if I recall well

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So then he lied about dropping PS3 after 3.0? Thats 4.0, Im fairly certain we will get a 3.2, 3.4, 3.7....ect.

PS3 was so bad doing fates in Coerthas in ARR, when I bought a PS4 and transferred games I was so happy and amazed at how good the game looked. I can't see the game staying on PS3 for much longer. But wanting crossplay taken out completely is idiotic.

I'd bet the ps4 is more powerful than well over half of the PCs that connect to this game. The ps3 could be limiting what they can do though.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Im stopping you right now, don't ever ever ever think that the PS4 is more powerful then even a sub average PC, cause its not, Im not going to let this devolve into a PC vs PS4 thread, but facts speak from themselves, the PS4 uses hardware that is 5-6 years old for the PC, meaning it was top end PC during that time, so speaking on specific terms hardware and graphically the PS4 is 5-6 years behind PC. There are tons of topics about this so just google them, do not let this become a console vs PC thread, Im merely only stating the facts. Sorry if this screams PC master race, its just that my Niece was told by someone at futureshop that she would be better off buying a PS4 then a PC cause PS4 has better graphics, she was looking to get a fairly decent gaming computer too for her schooling since this would be her first PC, so you can imagine how pissed I was when I visited a few months later and found out what happened, ever since then when I hear people clamoring about how graphically superior the PS4 is I feel the need to remind them that its superior if your using 7 year hardware on the PC. :/

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I can't make another post, so I'll just respond here.

You are wrong. Period. First off, it's easy to see that you got your information from the console wars and the side you agree with. You shoukd really look into it before spouting off though... I'm a PC player. If I were in those console wars, I'd be defending PC as the superior platform. I just built another new one that has pretty much all of the newest and best hardware. I make a lot of money working on computers.

The ps4 is more powerdlful than the majority of computers that connect to this game. Period. Most peopel don't have the top end hardware. Your claim of 6 years old is also kind of dumb. Most PC hardware out right now is that old if you are talking the technology. Processors and graphics cards haven't improved much lately... the next generation of cards is just now starting to be released. Memory has gone nowhere in that time.

You didn't state any real facts...

of course the consoles are holding the game back, and i mean both the PS3 and PS4.


i like my PS4 as much as the next person, but for MMOs its horrabad! No matter how you want to look at it, the bottom line is that the overall game complexity is limited to what the PS4 can support in addition to how much work they will have on server side. After all if the client cant perform the extra work, it needs to be done on server side. Granted some of it is done on server side to prevent cheating, but other items such as customizing equipment colors, character face models, adding character features such as customizable faces and horns adds a lot of client processing (for your char as well as those of the other people next to you.)

Then add in limitations based on future development. Since you cannot add memory or upgrade the CPU or GPU, once you have maxed the resources then thats it. The resources for customizable Au Ra horns today could prevent an entire new job tomorrow.

That is unless SE would actually allow different platforms to have different experiences. Then again if they did that everyone would have their head explode. Imagine if PC users could have 50 more face models, could view the TP of party members or have more complex models for hair, clothing / other customizations. People would lose their minds.

Dont believe me, np just take a look in the forums for all the HW benchmark complaints because PS4 didnt have access to one...

Personally though, i think SE should separate the platforms a little. Let the PS4 players have what their HW can support and let the PC / Mac users have the options that their HW can support.

After all its now 2 against one :)

Consoles hold back "every" MMO.

People - especially devoted gamers, tend to forget that the PS4 is a reasonably powerful machine. It can't compare to the cutting-edge watercooled monsters powergamers boast, but compared to a standard Best Buy desktop that a person buys for other reasons and just happens to play games on as well, it pretty much blows them away. There are companies that develop specifically for these cutting-edge machines, and they understand while doing so that they're taking a hit to potential sales.

SE did not take this path. They developed for more general machines in order to reach a wider audience - and for console as well, for a larger audience, still. In developing for console, they did so with the understanding that eventually computers will evolve well-beyond what the PS4 is capable of, but they will still need to support it if they want to maintain the console market. And they most likely WILL support it - just see how long they clung to the PS2 for FFXI!

Developing for the PS3 was the greater surprise, but it's pretty obvious why they did so: the PS4 wasn't ready in time for the game's release. The PS3 was ALREADY past its prime, though, and the problems run into by FFXI and PS2 were already showing themselves with FFXIV and PS3. This was a problem they were prepared for, though, and they acknowledged this by letting players know in advance that PS3 would be discontinued, and even offering a free PS3->PS4 upgrade program.

Is PS3 holding us back? Yes, but this is known, and steps are already in place to phase it out. Just be patient.

Is PS4 holding us back? Not now; SE is specifically developing the game for computers of the PS4's power level, and the game will look good for several years to come. Eventually, though, yes, continuing support of the PS4 will cause the PC version to show its age. Unless SE sponsors a PS4->PS5 upgrade, we can expect this game to live out its life tied to the PS4.

Are PCs holding us back? Seems a silly question, but the answer is actually much the same as for PS4: SE is developing for mainstream computers, not powergaming computers. Lower-end computers will eventually hold us back, and will continue to do so as long as SE perceives that they are the predominant household computer.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

So then he lied about dropping PS3 after 3.0? Thats 4.0, Im fairly certain we will get a 3.2, 3.4, 3.7....ect.

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How is that a lie? 4.0 comes after 3.0. For that matter, 5.0 comes after 3.0. They could wait until 9.0, and they'd STILL be dropping PS3 after 3.0...

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Originally Posted by Cirgellon

I'd bet the ps4 is more powerful than well over half of the PCs that connect to this game. The ps3 could be limiting what they can do though.

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Im stopping you right now, don't ever ever ever think that the PS4 is more powerful then even a sub average PC, cause its not, Im not going to let this devolve into a PC vs PS4 thread, but facts speak from themselves, the PS4 uses hardware that is 5-6 years old for the PC, meaning it was top end PC during that time, so speaking on specific terms hardware and graphically the PS4 is 5-6 years behind PC. There are tons of topics about this so just google them, do not let this become a console vs PC thread, Im merely only stating the facts. Sorry if this screams PC master race, its just that my Niece was told by someone at futureshop that she would be better off buying a PS4 then a PC cause PS4 has better graphics, she was looking to get a fairly decent gaming computer too for her schooling since this would be her first PC, so you can imagine how pissed I was when I visited a few months later and found out what happened, ever since then when I hear people clamoring about how graphically superior the PS4 is I feel the need to remind them that its superior if your using 7 year hardware on the PC. :/

I play on a mix of PC/PS4 myself. Noting that, the reason FFXIV is even on the PS3 (which I did play on for awhile) is due to the fact that SE promised a console version oh so long ago in 1.0. After the horrendous showing of 1.0, and Yoshida coming in to the mix, it was decided to withhold the console version as they wanted to optimize what was already there.

SE was in a very odd place when ARR launched and had to build trust back up with the fan base or risk another critical failure. As such, the people that had waited for years to play it on the PS3 (and consoles in general. An untapped market even now) needed to get what was promised. The PS3 however was aging considerably at this time and seeing the PS4 on the horizon, Yoshida knew that he needed to get working on that asap (with PS3 -->PS4 promotion to boot). It worked, and this action brought even more players to the game.

However, with Heavensward now in our grasp and the (forgive me I'm going cheesy here) game going to new heights of popularity, it may be time to look at what baggage the game needs to cut off. I don't expect this to happen until the next expansion at the earliest. It's my opinion that this MMO wouldn't be nearly as successful if not for the console launch of ARR. It was valid then, it's valid now, and the only thing keeping this game back is not having enough platforms to launch it on (I'm looking at you Microsoft).

*Edit*: Breaking up the community between PC/console only servers (read that as I looked up more comments) wouldn't be a great idea after they spent so much time trying to bring the together. What would be the point?

Considering the current gen consoles have incredibly weak CPUs (which MMOs heavily rely on), I'd say it's quite a bit weaker than the average gamer's PC. Even those overpriced prebuilts usually come with high end CPUs. Does it hold FFXIV back? I don't think so, everything so far has been PS3 limitations without anything about PS4 limitations, and I don't know exactly where the PS4 would falter other than in the graphics department, but as we've seen they can work add graphics options not available to the weaker platforms. As for those saying PS4 doesn't compare to a super hyper cooled monster PC as someone put it, that's right, but it's also weaker than a high end 5 year old GPU (the GTX 480).

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Won't matter if consoles can't handle the processing, cuts have to be made somewhere to make up for the obvious difference in hardware, which honestly was a bad choice on SE's part, making them cross play I mean, then we could have had nothing holding PC back, or at least only make it cross play with PS4, but even then the PS4 has limitation....its kinda depressing really :/

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The point you missed is that while you may give up customization and some things like that, you gain a lot more content, because the game makes more money.

Its all for naught. They will hold onto the consoles for as long as they can. Its all about active subs, the more the merrier, and no amount of complaining, comparing or console vs PC epeen battles is going to change that. The games popularity is more probable than not because of console sales.

Well yeah. Consoles will always be limited and people who design games for them have to work around those limitations.
With PC, you're given loads more options with the range you can work with due to all the modular hardware.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Won't matter if consoles can't handle the processing, cuts have to be made somewhere to make up for the obvious difference in hardware, which honestly was a bad choice on SE's part, making them cross play I mean, then we could have had nothing holding PC back, or at least only make it cross play with PS4, but even then the PS4 has limitation....its kinda depressing really :/

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To be fair, that decision brought a LOT of extra players on board who otherwise would never have touched XIV.
It was just unfortunate that there are so many people who held onto the PS3 for so long.

Nothing against that console mind you, for its time, it was a great console. For more modern gaming? 256mb of RAM is disgustingly inadequate.
With the PS4 being about as powerful as a mid-low end PC, but having a decent chunk of operating RAM, they don't need to make so many concessions that affect the game as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Actually no its not officially confirmed, they stated that if they can bring the same experience to the PS4 without downsizing the quality then they will do it, but they won't allow it to hinder the PC experience since its basically a giant MMO sandbox without load times so the world is rendered in realtime.

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This one? http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articl...lay-online.htm

Off with PS3s head, any console owner knows the second the next iteration of console comes out you can see worthwhile support go bye bye, and thats ok.

At least PS3 is getting dropped with next Xpac. But considering consoles make up more revenue than PC. I doubt they are holding the game back, technically they are holding the game up.

What kills me is that the PS3 choked on ARR, long long before Heavensward. 10 seconds or more to load the magitek armor mount while you were riding around on invisible air, anyone? The "infamous monster" fates were usually dead before they spawned, too. There's a REASON I switched over to PS4. But Japan is just friggin ridiculously slow to adopt new generations (just like they were insanely slow to move on from the PS2) so as dumb as it is, we'll probably not see it dropped for quite a while.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Won't matter if consoles can't handle the processing, cuts have to be made somewhere to make up for the obvious difference in hardware, which honestly was a bad choice on SE's part, making them cross play I mean, then we could have had nothing holding PC back, or at least only make it cross play with PS4, but even then the PS4 has limitation....its kinda depressing really :/

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Well even PCs have limitations - if you make it some obscene requirements you're going to end up with 1.0 type problems again.

PS4 handles the game pretty great.

PS3 does not. There are comparison videos out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Ho6jQvstg

PS4 is limited at fps 60 max and 1080p (with a 720p option), and PS3 at 30 fps max and 720p.

Both have significant dips in high density areas. However, PS4's can be greatly alleviated by switching to standard HD (720p)

PS3 is the only thing holding this game back. I look forward to see what things we can do when it's dropped.

PS3 is, not PS4. All the time they have to keep making content that a PS3 can run they are held back by what they can do. They could really do some amazing stuff graphically and so on but it wouldn't be able to run on a PS3. Until it gets phased out they are very limited on what they can do.

I love how people instantly start blaming the consoles when limitations are stated, and aren't even taking all the players with lower end PCs into account, (a lot of whom are playing with ones that are of lower technical specs than the PS3). I made a rant about this in one thread not that long ago, but I really don't feel like trying to find it to link it. The bottom line is, that if you increase the specs so that only players with PS4 and higher cost PCs can play, it won't just be eliminating the PS3 crowd, but your average player who can't afford to either spend a lot on a gaming computer or doesn't know how to build one cheaply.....

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

I love how people instantly start blaming the consoles when limitations are stated, and aren't even taking all the players with lower end PCs into account, (a lot of whom are playing with ones that are of lower technical specs than the PS3). I made a rant about this in one thread not that long ago, but I really don't feel like trying to find it to link it. The bottom line is, that if you increase the specs so that only players with PS4 and higher cost PCs can play, it won't just be eliminating the PS3 crowd, but your average player who can't afford to either spend a lot on a gaming computer or doesn't know how to build one cheaply.....

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Given most of the limitations mentioned are memory related, I have to ask if you've even looked at the specs to make such a comment? The PS3 has 256MB VRAM + 256MB RAM. The minimum listed specs for PC for HW are 2GB RAM and an nVidia 8800 (at least 256 if not 512 MB VRAM). So no, even the minimum PC specs are still higher than the PS3's.

Getting real tired of people complaining about console support limits stuff.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Well yeah. Consoles will always be limited and people who design games for them have to work around those limitations.
With PC, you're given loads more options with the range you can work with due to all the modular hardware.

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Really now games like Halo which wer only made for consoles your saying that's limited by consoles big games like Battlefield
lets not forget some of the best games like every final fantasy fame. Wer always designed for consoles in mind. If you can't get your head around that go back to WoW.

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Originally Posted by Saren

think of it this way. console players tend to be some of the most flippant and unreliable sources of dedicated player base(income) ever to exist.

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and people wonder why there's so much toxicity this guy here is what is wrong with the community.
IV cleared every turn of Binding coil as a console player. People like him are the kind who demand you be on a PC to join their group because they have it in their head that their better than every one else.

FFXIV is a cross platform game so they made it in a way that it will be handled well by all platforms with small visual differences. There are also server limitations. In way yes consoles and servers hold it back.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

This one? http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articl...lay-online.htm

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Yeeeah I don't believe click bait websites, especially ones that have known attacks and virus's on them, theres a translated interview floating around that is actually directly from the dev's, thats the only official info we heard about it, there is no planned releases and they are still only entertaining the idea.

Of course they are. This will always be the case with a MMO. Consoles are running several year old specs the day they release and don't get a new generation for several years. Computers on the other hand are progressing all the time.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

I really wish they dropped support for the PS3 with heavensward tbh.

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I'm glad they didn't, I'd prolly end up unsubbing because I really only play with my fiance who plays on ps3 since she/we can't really afford investing the amount of money it requires for a ps4, or a new pc and her laptop can't handle playing.

The Time they invest in the PS3 (Be it Low-Res Textures, Low Poly Models or other things) prevents them to go full rampage on FFXIV.
Converting thousands Textures into Low Resolution isn't done quickly.

The PS4 has enough RAM and CPU Power to handle High Poly Models and High-Res Textures. Yet the fact is, both the PC and the PS4 have troubles once an Area is overpopulated. (You cannot tell me you can keep 60 FPS in Idleshyre or Mor Dhona)

Dropping the PS3 Version (I highly doubt this will be bad for the PS3 Players, you can upgrade for free on another Version) will result in more Development Time, which can be used to either add more Gameplay or better Visuality.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

and people wonder why there's so much toxicity this guy here is what is wrong with the community.
IV cleared every turn of Binding coil as a console player. People like him are the kind who demand you be on a PC to join their group because they have it in their head that their better than every one else.

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No they demand people to be on PC because its more stable during fights with many things happening on the screen, no input lag and easier to communicate via typing if need be, have you ever tried to direct people with text on console? No, cause it doesn't happen. Thats what Ive seen anyway, people who don't communicate in pugs or in some hunts are generally ones on console, and lets not forget how easy it is to use a keyboard for MMO's...or most of them anyway.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Some people like to appear a bit different than other players, when you have met 20 people that look exactly like your character you tend to feel a little less unique, as far as character model customization goes FFXIV fails at this :/, there are so many things they could do to remedy this but sadly there are soooo many process limitations.

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Lolll no wow failed at character model customization for it's whole lifespan and to this day still dose. ff act dose it better then most

SE is holding the game back. Server limitations are more of an issue than PS3 limitations ever will be.

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Originally Posted by Blaste

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There are many PC players who use gamepads as well. I swear gamepads are ergonomically superior than a typical keyboard. Perhaps there is some science out there on it, but perhaps academia hasn't been arsed to care. I think if you need more direct communication for something like a Coil, Alex, or a Primal Ex, you should be using voice chat, which is easy to obtain for any player. Communicating with others with a keyboard on a console is hardly different than communicating with others on a PC, but I believe we are delving into highly subjective territory. It probably depends on how well your muscles are accustomed to moving given your gaming setup. As to your claim about stability, I don't think there are any issues with PS4 stability when lots of things are going on. Lastly, the less people talking during hunts, the better.

I fear I might not be able to continue playing if a "graphical expansion" comes. I play on a 1360x768 TV at 30fps with a GTX860M notebook. I think thst's why I don't support SQEX dropping PS3...

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Originally Posted by NattyExe

I don't think there are any issues with PS4 stability when lots of things are going on.

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Its actually the PS3 stability I was talking about, Ive just seen people having many issues with this, especially during fate grind in NT.

Consoles do not hold back PC and PC do not hold back Consoles, this is all on dev's part they can create two different clients that still accessed same server. One for Consoles and one for PC but they do not do this so really Devs are holding back the game. Not the platforms

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Originally Posted by Blaste

Its actually the PS3 stability I was talking about, Ive just seen people having many issues with this, especially during fate grind in NT.

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Ah, gotcha. You are right, the PS3 is really quite a clunker in relation to FFXIV. I can't imagine trying to get anything serious done with it.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

The game runs pretty bad on the PS3 when you compare it to a PC running it on minimum requirements...

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Depends on the PC in question, really. There's a reason that not very many people played XIV 1.0, it would school even the best computers back then. It's a large reason why they toned everything down in 2.0. Not everyone is running cutting edge systems so to say that just the PS3 is 'holding the game back' is being pretty shallow.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

Really now, games like Halo which where only made for consoles your saying that's limited by consoles big games like Battlefield
lets not forget some of the best games like every final fantasy fame where always designed for consoles in mind. If you can't get your head around that GUH BUH CUH WUUHHHH.

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I'm not arguing that developers gravitate towards consoles.
I'm just saying it's a base fact that consoles are straight up more limited than PC's. And that limitation restricts what can be done with this game, and every other game to come out on a console.

That's not necessarily a red mark against it. Very many of the best games ever made where limited by their comparative hardware at the time.