FFXIV major NA news release: Chocobo's and Airships (why?)

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Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki

SE just didnt pay them generously for accurate coverage, corrupt little journalist piggys

i dont give a damn about english gameing journalism cause unless its "ZOMG MASSEFFECT!!!11!" they say it sucks anyway 99% of the time, specially japanese games recently, not enough bald muscular space marine types in them i guess

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I wouldn't call them journalists. I have friends who own tech review sites and sophisticated people are not really the first to go for that sort of thing including gaming reviews.

They just write a poorly written article that they usually submit to the site's editor (someone who most likely went to college) so they can piece the crap together into something legible. I would't doubt that MMORPG.com is one of these sites.

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Originally Posted by Physic

when they are ready a big media push is important, but they still dont have enough in the game to put this game on the above avewrage side, so they should probably wait till then. If they reach that point, then all publicity will be good publicity

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So everyone who works in Square Enix's PR department should sit on their ass until they are ready for the "big push".

That makes no sense. I could see some of you people's arguments if maybe these sites just weren't reporting on FFXIV at all. But they are reporting on piecemeal information which makes the development of this game seem pathetic and only strengthens the argument that this "game is dead".

Someone at SE needs to get off their ass, and give the gaming sites which are covering FFXIV something more interesting to cover than Chocobo's and Airships. They ran stories on Chocobo's and Airships ripped straight from the lodestone, it would be impossible to feed them a story that has less substance than that. Either SE are lazy or they are stupid.

Someone over there is clearly not doing their job, not everyone who plays this game lives in Japan and follows Japanese media. You look like fools!

Most gaming review websites are biased towards 'majority'. They'll keep putting FFXIV down because of it's bad launch and smaller population, but always big up games like Rift and WoW because they have a larger player-base, and by bigging up the game it makes that website sound 'cool'.

Besides, with most review websites, if one website says it's bad all the rest follow suit like a herd of sheep in hopes that the 'unified review' will get more people subscribed. Metacritic is the worst of the worst when it comes to this, never ever trust what that website says. In all honesty gaming websites are the worst places to look up what a game is like, the best way to find out what a game is like is to buy the game and try it yourself then make your own decision.

Heck, if most of us believed what review websites said about a game, most of us wouldn't be here playing FFXIV right now :p

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Most gaming review websites are biased towards 'majority'. They'll keep putting FFXIV down because of it's bad launch and smaller population, but always big up games like Rift and WoW because they have a larger player-base, and by bigging up the game it makes that website sound 'cool'.

Besides, with most review websites, if one website says it's bad all the rest follow suit like a herd of sheep in hopes that the 'unified review' will get more people subscribed. Metacritic is the worst of the worst when it comes to this, never ever trust what that website says. In all honesty gaming websites are the worst places to look up what a game is like, the best way to find out what a game is like is to buy the game and try it yourself then make your own decision.

Heck, if most of us believed what review websites said about a game, most of us wouldn't be here playing FFXIV right now :p

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These are not reviews, they are news stories ripped directly from XIV's rss feed/lodestone. The FFXIV team simply needs to make sure that a more accurate depiction of their development is being projected than 1 year of development= a delay on a patch releasing only Chocobos and Airships.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

These are not reviews, they are news stories ripped directly from XIV's rss feed/lodestone. The FFXIV team simply needs to make sure that a more accurate depiction of their development is being projected than 1 year of development= a delay on a patch releasing only Chocobos and Airships.

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Well then that's just news that was misinterpreted (probably on purpose) by biased reporters. The forums can be looked through without logging in, and the director letters can be accessed at any time. Chocobos and airships are the main visual features of 1.19 so it's the first thing they'll see, if they chose to ignore the hundreds of other things other than that it's not S.E's fault, it's ignorant reviewers/reporters.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Well then that's just news that was misinterpreted (probably on purpose) by biased reporters. The forums can be looked through without logging in, and the director letters can be accessed at any time. Chocobos and airships are the main visual features of 1.19 so it's the first thing they'll see, if they chose to ignore the hundreds of other things other than that it's not S.E's fault, it's ignorant reviewers/reporters.

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People who are not following the game don't do any of those things.

Everyone who visits those websites however sees their featured stories on XIV and either forms an impression based on them, or has their impression strengthened in reaction to it. It is called bad press, and it is absolutely Square Enix's job to try and counter it. They run a business, and their product is being tarnished by their mismanagement of information being released to the broader public.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

People who are not following the game don't do any of those things.

Everyone who visits those websites however sees their featured stories on XIV and either forms an impression based on them, or has their impression strengthened in reaction to it. It is called bad press, and it is absolutely Square Enix's job to try and counter it. They run a business, and their product is being tarnished by their mismanagement of information being released to the broader public.

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I can understand what you're saying but it's not as simple as that. S.E can only provide the information to these websites, it's not their choice as to what's written in regards to it. If a reporter is biased about a game when he gets the information he's going to write a biased opinion. Because of FFXIV's bad launch most websites are biased against it and will always say it's a bad game untill eventually something REALLY big comes out to change their tune. Chocobos, airships and the huge pile of fixes, changes and additions coming in 1.19 are great news for us, but they aren't massive, so those websites will still see it as "the same game, just less rough around the edges". Now if an expansion pack comes out with a whole host of awesome stuff THAT would be what could change the tune of a website like that.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I can understand what you're saying but it's not as simple as that. S.E can only provide the information to these websites, it's not their choice as to what's written in regards to it. If a reporter is biased about a game when he gets the information he's going to write a biased opinion. Because of FFXIV's bad launch most websites are biased against it and will always say it's a bad game untill eventually something REALLY big comes out to change their tune. Chocobos, airships and the huge pile of fixes, changes and additions coming in 1.19 are great news for us, but they aren't massive, so those websites will still see it as "the same game, just less rough around the edges". Now if an expansion pack comes out with a whole host of awesome stuff THAT would be what could change the tune of a website like that.

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It is as easy as releasing information to them, they are news sites they run off of information. Square Enix chooses not to engage them, which works to I guess keep a game they are embarassed of off the radar, however when it appears on the radar like it has with the release of these stories they need to manage the information by feeding these sites more than simply "airships and chocobos".

They engage the JP gaming press and they neglect the western press. It is an extremely poor and ill advised business decision. Every person whose opinion of this game is made worse by seeing such dismal progress will be that much harder to convince at a later date to purchase the game. No company in any industry (down to the smallest Mom and Pop store) should be as irresponsible with their PR as Square Enix USA is currently being regarding FFXIV.

They're probably just holding off untill they've decided the game is running as it should have done at launch. They're holding off the PS3 launch untill they feel the game is ready for that kind of thing and will pull in more players. I don't see why they'd be any different with the pc game. Besides, the games free to play at the moment, if people REALLY want to know what it's like it's not like it'd cost them very much.

Better to wait it out then hit those websites with a "Woo look at this!" release than a "oh hey look what we just added to the game we're still building."

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

They're probably just holding off untill they've decided the game is running as it should have done at launch. They're holding off the PS3 launch untill they feel the game is ready for that kind of thing and will pull in more players. I don't see why they'd be any different with the pc game. Besides, the games free to play at the moment, if people REALLY want to know what it's like it's not like it'd cost them very much.

Better to wait it out then hit those websites with a "Woo look at this!" release than a "oh hey look what we just added to the game we're still building."

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These websites just did a story on FFXIV about Chocobos and Airships and a patch delay. What the hell are you talking about, holding back? Holding back what? They just did a story on the most mundane aspect of a "delayed patch" which wasn't actually delayed. Screw the PS3 release, or marketing pushes.

It is called information management it is an [SIZE="5"]everyday[/SIZE] part of the job of the PR department. If this were a Japanese website I guarantee you Square Enix would care and do something however their US branch seems to be completely worthless for anything other than making redundant posts on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

These websites just did a story on FFXIV about Chocobos and Airships and a patch delay. What the hell are you talking about, holding back? Holding back what? They just did a story on the most mundane aspect of a "delayed patch" which wasn't actually delayed. Screw the PS3 release, or marketing pushes.

It is called information management it is an [SIZE="5"]everyday[/SIZE] part of the job of the PR department. If this were a Japanese website I guarantee you Square Enix would care and do something however their US branch seems to be completely worthless for anything other than making redundant posts on this forum.

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Then... well yeah it's the fault of Square Enix U.S.

Can't really think of anything to add to that...

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Originally Posted by Physic

in all honesty after reading the articles they are both fairly accurate new stories, and just tell people they are adding chocobos, how people responded to the articles, is a different story, but i thought that wasnt controlled by the media outlet.

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^This^ or v This v (if reverse ordered like me).

Don't get bent out of shape because they haven't given XIV a proper "Re-Review" yet. It's still too early for that and if they did do a re-review it would still be bad at this juncture...wouldn't be prudent....not gonna do it. Papa Bush

Pfft, just consider yourself lucky they are even releasing FFXIV-related news at all.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Also nobody gives a damn. They need to fix the game before getting all upset about the press.

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I agree. No news is good news, at least for the next little while. We're not ready for prime time, yet.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I agree. No news is good news, at least for the next little while. We're not ready for prime time, yet.

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No news is not an option when these sites just ran news stories about the game.... do you even read topics before writing your little quips?

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Pfft, just consider yourself lucky they are even releasing FFXIV-related news at all.

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If this is the only information they are releasing I would rather they didn't release anything at all. This makes it looks like since the game launched to the bad review the only thing which has changed are plans for chocobos and airships in a patch that was delayed. To people reading that site it looks terrible (much worse than it actually is in reality).

Anyone following those trash sites is an idiot, and probably best off out of the game.

The only site worse than those above is mmosite, but you'd have trouble finding any serious article between the broken Engrish and all the damned porn.

Massively at least is objective, And the guy writing the column is knowledgeable and informed.

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Originally Posted by viion

Its expected, live with it. If SE dont want this hassle they should of hired people ages ago to rush things up and not spend a year doing something so simple as a Chocobo because the media are completely correct lol.

Dont hate on them because SE put themselfs in a bad position.

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when people say this, it shows how much they dont know, you do realize that this new team, had to start off by seeming where the old team left of, see what is wrong, start fixing it, and add in their own stuff, along with trying to keep it's player base happy....... "spending a year doing something so simple".... yeah sorry but I think getting the game properly playable is more important then adding chocobos.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

No news is not an option when these sites just ran news stories about the game.... do you even read topics before writing your little quips?

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I do read the topics. Can you read that I was replying to someone's specific post before writing your little quips? I think not.

Did someone on those boards rag on you for liking FFXIV, OP?

You know what? F*ck the Reviews and play the game. It's not out of reviews that you will like FFXIV since it yet has to be released on full version. Play it and you'll see if you like it or not.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

If this is the only information they are releasing I would rather they didn't release anything at all. This makes it looks like since the game launched to the bad review the only thing which has changed are plans for chocobos and airships in a patch that was delayed. To people reading that site it looks terrible (much worse than it actually is in reality).

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Lol, you're lucky there isn't more coverage on the game.

Or do you want the world to know that:

-Collision detection totally removed
-All mobs grotesquely enlarged
-The UI is still a mess
-Targetting is still a mess
-Combat is still a mess
-Lag is still a mess
-Crafting system oversimplified to the point of stupidity
-Jump still not implemented
-No new story quests added, leaving players hanging for over a year with unresolved scenario quest that wasn't even put together very well in the first place
-sidequests with no voiceacting (rofl fail)

Honestly, barely a single thing has been added to the game beyond two instanced dungeons and a bunch of settlement things.

We haven't had a real update since Tanaka's November update.

Mobs being enlarged isn't a problem
...I dont see the problem with the UI
I target just fine
combat is still being improved
lag will be improved
crafting system will be a matter of opinion and personal preference
jump is the least of people's problems
I agree there should have been at least an R50 quest added. I also understand things were being saved for a level cap increase.
Sidequests with no voice acting is NOT a problem. Unless reading is hard for some, sucks to be them.

Sidequests not being voiced isn't an issue, but it would be nice if "big" quests like main story, job, and company quests were fully voiced. I'm starting to detract my original statement. Going through static animations and text really IS too FFXI and immersion-breaking for me.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

Sidequests not being voiced isn't an issue, but it would be nice if "big" quests like main story, job, and company quests were fully voiced. I'm starting to detract my original statement. Going through static animations and text really IS too FFXI and immersion-breaking for me.

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The NPCs don't even try to look interested in you when they talk to you. I haven't been impressed by a single sidequest and that's a huge problem.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Mobs being enlarged isn't a problem
...I dont see the problem with the UI
I target just fine
combat is still being improved
lag will be improved
crafting system will be a matter of opinion and personal preference
jump is the least of people's problems
I agree there should have been at least an R50 quest added. I also understand things were being saved for a level cap increase.
Sidequests with no voice acting is NOT a problem. Unless reading is hard for some, sucks to be them.

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Well if there's a big potential market for players who will be satisfied with bare minimum crap, then I guess FFXIV really does have a shot after all.

The game is still in development. I'm hoping even after all the major changes you're gone when it goes to P2P. Can finally be rid of your annoyance.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Well if there's a big potential market for players who will be satisfied with bare minimum crap, then I guess FFXIV really does have a shot after all.

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I know every one can have their opinion.....but yours sucks......

I agree with PP pretty much 100%, people are nitpicking and complaining just to complain most of the time.

and really is it that hard to go play something else while the game is being fixed/improved? I see some people act like they have a gun to their head and are being forced to play this game 24/7.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Lol, you're lucky there isn't more coverage on the game.

Or do you want the world to know that:

-Collision detection removed due to it being faulty
-All mobs enlarged to make fights look more epic
-The UI is vastly improved from it's original form
-Targetting is a lot better now and 1.19 will finalise it
-Combat works much better
-Lag isn't as bad as it used to be
-Crafting system isn't as much of a mindless grind anymore
-Nobody really cares about jump
-No new story quests added, except all the ones during events and 1.19 is changing, scaling and adding more
-sidequests with no voiceacting, just like every other MMO out there

Honestly, barely a single thing hasn't been fixed in the game since Yoshi took over..

We never had a real update during Tanaka's November update.

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Oh hey look, I fixed your post for you.

Geez you sure do make a lot of typos gifthorse.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

The game is still in development. I'm hoping even after all the major changes you're gone when it goes to P2P. Can finally be rid of your annoyance.

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Hell I'd pay a monthly fee in hopes he'd leave.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Hell I'd pay a monthly fee in hopes he'd leave.

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Something we can agree on lol

So do you think Square Enix USA sent notice of the Ifrit video to ign/mmorpg.com/any North American gaming site/source?

even if they did doubt they would post about it because they want it to fail. I don't agree with it but I think some other American MMO company's have them deep in their pocket that they will overlook anything good to come...

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

even if they did doubt they would post about it because they want it to fail. I don't agree with it but I think some other American MMO company's have them deep in their pocket that they will overlook anything good to come...

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MMORPG.com has two updates...

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...tober-4th.html

"The Final Fantasy XIV Lodestone has been updated with an outline of the notes for the highly anticipated v1.19 patch. The patch is set to deploy on October 4th and brings several significant features to FFXIV.

According to a new Producer's Letter, the patch has been delayed slightly to accommodate more stability and to give the dev team more time for debugging.

To give players a bit of a heads up about the patch, the team has laid out the major changes coming in the v1.19 patch and indicated that both Ixal stronghold (Natalan) and Guildleve history evaluations will be delayed to the v1.19a update."

Instead of adding the Ifrit video they chose to post a picture of a chocobo, and a picture of the minimap showing the chocobo stable.

and their latest op-ed/ "full blown re-review".

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...er.html/page/1

Some things I liked:

"Spending time within FFXIV makes you feel like you have gone back in time to play a very needlessly complex EverQuest clone, albeit without the charm."

"It is still mindlessly complicated"

(I'll let you think about that one for a second....)

and of course the wonderful conclusion:

"I wouldn’t be surprising before this one was finally pronounced “dead on arrival”. It is a shame, this was one my most anticipated MMO releases of last year, but perhaps my expectations got the best of me, or the world just isn’t ready for Final Fantasy 14. Role on patch 1.19 and hopefully some serious changes. I suspect with that a brand new team on the title, we’ll be seeing FFXIV come a bit closer to what we all want it to be in time."

Brilliant.... absolutely brilliant article.

At this point I'm willing to say conspiracy, no one can be this bad at their jobs.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Brilliant.... absolutely brilliant article.

At this point I'm willing to say conspiracy, no one can be this bad at their jobs.

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you give them to much credit lol. As I said in another post I also think these sites have there hands in some American companys pockets to ignore games like this,

i, personally, like seeing what those sites have to say about games. i wanted the game and got it regardless of what was said. i play the game and compare my opinions to them and, quite frankly, they are closely related in alot of aspects.

MMORPG.com were prolly annoyed about the comments to thier reviewthey released 3 days before 1.18, and the comments that they only review the bad things and never mention the game etc ect, so they thought they would have to post this.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i, personally, like seeing what those sites have to say about games. i wanted the game and got it regardless of what was said. i play the game and compare my opinions to them and, quite frankly, they are closely related in alot of aspects.

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I know you don't play or know what you are talking about either!!

You should apply for a job there.

In case anyone wants to see their editor defending what a poor job they do on their site before they delete it, they actually responded to me:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/327921

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I know you don't play or know what you are talking about either!!

You should apply for a job there.

In case anyone wants to see their editor defending what a poor job they do on their site before they delete it, they actually responded to me:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/327921

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yeah i am sure i don't play. just because i agree with alot of what they say does not mean that i do not play the game.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I know you don't play or know what you are talking about either!!

You should apply for a job there.

In case anyone wants to see their editor defending what a poor job they do on their site before they delete it, they actually responded to me:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/327921

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I could see you getting banned from the website for that, they ban everyone that disagrees with the mods, last ban I had was a 1 month one because I said somthing about thier review that disagreed with the review and I was insta-banned. Hmm wonder if my account is back yet i might get in that post.

Edit: What!!! my sig was removed for posting personnal info, people only see thier own info, its how my sig gets the info, when I see it I see my IP, ISP and browser, no one elses /sigh dont the mods know how that info is gathered, i demand a mod reply!!!

Sorry it was off topic but I was here and I wanted to vent about it but whooo my mmorpg.com account is back, I can rage again YAY!!!

Well we all know those people of those sites are dumb people anyway.
Thats why they get payed to bs on games all the time that they don't like.
How about we start a website and do the same to those websites.
Then call us Game pro's too lol.
Close this lame thread already.