As for the MP-Issues of some folks. Do you remember that you had MP-issues as you were a brand new WHM with ilvl 50-70. Do you remember that it feels like you heal by far not enough to be useful? Well now you are again in exact this situation. This problem will solve as the gearlevel rises. just subtract 100ilvl from your actual gear and you can compare how your gear is compared to the stuff you worn in 2.x.
And for the skills.
Asylum: it's a nice addition and provides a 3rd hot - nothing overwhelming but it's free and comes usefull with partymembers that understand.
Stone III: ok, it's more dps, nothing wrong here. i'm a bit disappointed as it is a new spell and i have to switch my dps-bars everytime i get synched down, but this ist just a 1st-world problem.
Aero III. A AoE DoT without any penalties and a potency that hih even high enough for being used single target. Well, even as my job is to heal and not to deal damage, it is a pretty awesome skill.
Assize: Now that skill is just the best. highest potency damagespell we have at a ridiculous wide range (caution, you add mobs all over the area with it), a instant free medica and a 10% MP regeneration? well this skills does everything we can wish for. in dungeons i use it on CD just for the MP - i only reconsider every time if i wanna use it for damage or to heal.
Tetragammaton: i dont have it yet as i dont have much time to play atm (working working working ^.^) therefore only my theoretical opinion: it''s an benediction light. it's free and of gcd but, same as Assize and Asylum it doenst scale for healing magic increasing effects. Bad for divine seal and even worse for warriors.
but, it is pretty usefull and complements tha whm-kit well without being overpowered
so: please dont nerf Assize, i just am in love with this hell of a skill
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06-28-2015, 12:16 AMCycLee
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06-28-2015, 01:59 AMNibelung
They are all really good abilities except maybe for Asylum. The potency is a bit low but that would be fine if it could be affected by Divine Seal. I wouldn't ask this for Tetra, because it's basically a free Cure II every minute or so, and that's fine since it can even crit. My problem with Asylum is how little it actually contributes to healing.
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06-30-2015, 03:26 AMGhishlain
I got WHM to 60 last night and ran all the ending MSQ dungeons / trials and Neverreap and Fractal. I must say, I'm more impressed with the toolkit now than I was back when I first saw the list. It's pretty fun knowing I have all these different cooldowns to use in different instances and layering the right amount of healing for the right times during a boss fight or the right pulls during trash. Yes, it's all healing, but there's enough variety and flavours of healing to make me continue to look at my cool downs and wondering how I should DPS the next part of a fight based on what I have available and what will be coming available. While I was running "low" on MP I never felt I was ever "empty" and just scaled back my usage as needed. Having more oGCD heals that cost 0 MP has been a real benefit to my WHMing and allowed me the ability to just "sit and chill" while I waited for my MP to tick back up in case I over taxed that pool.
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06-30-2015, 03:37 AMRisvertasashiGrats on 60! Pretty much how I feel. Not everyone wants to play SCH or a spinoff.Quote:
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06-30-2015, 03:43 AMGhishlainThank ya. It's actually fun to try to weave Aero in since Aero really isn't needed until you start to run a bit lower on MP since Stone III does more in a single GCD versus Aero >>; But I tend to use Aero when I want to weave any oGCDs in like Shroud, Assize, Fluid Aura, etc. It's been interesting to see how to maximize DPS on a WHM.Quote:
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06-30-2015, 03:50 AMRisvertasashiTouche.Quote:
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But a bit different from the situations I was thinking of. Wait until you get a paper tank + dread + terribad DPS in fractal. -
06-30-2015, 03:54 AMGhishlainI saw that post just now =p It's okay, I will eventually. I've gotten so many terrible trials and dungeons that my FC that when they go through something similar, they call it "Ghish-tier difficulty".Quote:
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06-30-2015, 04:04 AMRisvertasashiIn my horror stories post the tank was actually reasonably sturdy (geared, using DCDs...). With DCDs and WHM's nice suit of HoTs, could sneak in *some* DPS on the dread (although that thing has a lot of health). It was just at the very end where, well, you know.Quote:
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06-30-2015, 04:27 AMRaminaxStory of my life at the moment. It's probably better for my heart that I can't get ACT to work anymore. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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06-30-2015, 04:31 AMRisvertasashiPreview:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raminax
(please look forward to it)
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06-30-2015, 06:04 AMRaminax
Boo. I know that Warrior DPS is being reported as rather high, but it still looks so wrong that two of the DPS are below one of the Warriors. And the discrepancy between the two of them is silly to begin with.
On the bright side, I did get a sexy 4.2k Assize crit today on the carapace. Made me feel like a real fighter! :p
Sadly, no real progress, besides getting down the timings for the tank busters from the Sanuwa pretty good now! Gotta keep trying. -
06-30-2015, 07:01 AMRisvertasashiI actually got told off for doing that and was told to only use it on the adds. Hmm...Quote:
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06-30-2015, 05:13 PMPhileas
Finally got tetragrammaton and its mega useful to use if u cast regen and suddenly tank gets hit with a big attack and u need to bring him up quickly. this along with assize has done a lot for my mp efficiency so i can last the loooong boss battles in the post 60 dungeons..
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06-30-2015, 06:55 PMRaminaxI've yet to have any criticism over Assize usage. Though then again, most of my groups don't even seem to notice me hitting stuff. <.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
"Hey, think Foe Requiem would be enough for the last few % we're missing? Try singing that!"
"Wut y we haf no caster dps."
*internal screaming*
Edit: ・The white mage action "Divine Seal" which affects magic would also affect the ability "Assize".
So yeah, seems Squeenix never wanted healing buffs to affect Tetragrammaton and Asylum in the first place. So much for hoping they were bugged. :( -
06-30-2015, 11:30 PM416to305
I like Asylum, I think DPS just need to know what it is though as I find people don't stand in it always. I use it mainly on pulls as a boost in Regen on the tank. I've never played Scholar just WHM so never really knew exactly what Sacred Soil did, but would just see it pop up and assume it was beneficial, not really noticing anything specific when standing in it. I see it says 90% reduction in damage, but unless it's a fight where everyone stacks at a certain point like Titan, I don't typically go rushing over to it just because it's up. So hopefully people will realize the benefit of Asylum and make more of an effort to stand in it and realize that it provides a benefit the whole time you're in there.
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07-01-2015, 12:03 PMVamperia
Have to say it but I really HATE what they have done with the WHM new spells from 50-60. They really didn't give us anything to set us apart from the other healers or different kinda group buffs, mob debuffs, reflect spell, Damage shields or something. Instead they took Protect and gave it to Pallys, Scholars, and Asc so that they can buff parties more WTF......
Just seems like they took a lot of great ideas and gave them to the Astrologian, (Buffing cards, light speed, better cool downs on spells, Play in different stances and how it affects your healing....the list goes on and on)
We really have nothing going for us right now and I hope they address some of this and give us something to bring to the group other than just a heal. The other Healer Roles can do that too and bring buff/debuffs to the group so why bring a WHM -
07-01-2015, 12:28 PMDreamWeaver
As much as SE loves nerfing WHMs (Holy nerfed 2x, PoM buffed....then nerfed, SS nerfed), WHMs are still in a good place in 3.0.
Asylum provides powerful sustained AoE healing which helps immensely with your mana management.
Assize has an extremely unique damage component in that it is very high potency (300), and it has the range of a LB 3 (15 yalms), in fights where they are multiple adds to be killed, but are spread just far enough that you can't AoE them down (Garuda's plumes, Ifrit's Nails etc), a well timed Assize is wonderful.
SE has also started to explore encounter mechanics where bosses take extra damage for a limited period of time before the next mechanic (Bismarck's jump on his back and free damage, Ravana's free damage when he's charging his next move).
In these limited period, a WHM's DPS is actually more valuable compared to a Scholar/AST's DoTs, as WHM's DPS are extremely front loaded compared to the other 2's slower burn, this allows WHMs to pump out more DPS in the limited amount of time. -
07-01-2015, 12:49 PMVamperia
I don't disagree with you we can front load damage better than the Sch/AST and I'm really really glad to see SE starting to look into new boss mechanics rather than the old scripted ones that never change. Thats one thing I really never liked about this game was I wanted more of a random aspect in the boss fights but they have gotten lots better and are trying a lot of new things. Yes WHM's used to be solid and still have a great base but they can really adjust it more and give us some buffs/unique things to enhance the group
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07-01-2015, 01:25 PMDreamWeaver
What WHMs bring is stability and security during progression, WHM heals are big, they can pretty much solo heal most encounters allowing your co-healer to focus more on DPSing and assist only when needed.
The reason why "WHMs are useless and don't bring much to the table", is once content is on farm/overgeared, the extremely high healing powers of a WHM is no longer required.
I am personally fine with this, due to the fact that Progression is way more important to me than farming raids 2 mins faster.
WHM is like the skills Virus and Sacred Soil - Useful when you're still progressing, but once you outgear content and can survive stuff easily without Virus and Sacred Soil? They become optional.
Remember tho, without Progression, there cannot be farm/overgeared content :). -
07-02-2015, 12:41 AMEisenhower
The Heavensward additions to the class is very much in line with what the image of the white mage is. A white mage heals and it heals hella strong. The abilities added allows them to do that when they're silenced or low on mana and it helps the class heal more at a reduced cost. WHMs get enough utility from cross-class skills and spells. Why would they need more? To reduce the usefulness or erode identity of another class?
I agree on this point. A WHM can bring a lot of damage in a short period of time compared to the other healer classes and that's great. But it doesn't help when Squeenix stripped all the healer gear off accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamWeaver