Your Focused On The Wrong Thing!

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Nope Ion Storm Inc. developed Deus Ex..... ; ;

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the first 2 were not human revolution....which is what i meant.....seeing as how i said in a long while....

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Originally Posted by Victor

I agree with the OP, partially. The degree to which our characters are stationary at the moment is pretty weak by any game's standards.

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TY Victor if people cant see ^^^^^^^^ that then i feel sorry for them....its the first thing people see when playing for the first time how boring combat and no jump or character control movement etc.... and they simpley say it sucks and move on....which the point in FFXIV fixing is to get MORE people to join and not just keep the people who like it the way it is...

Well, then get a petition going to bring back 100% collision. That's a start... Then make a petition bringing back the old style and slowly turn it into more action rpg.

i dont want collision its fine the way it is this has nothing to do with collision its a fantasy game....i dont want the old style either i wanna dodge jump and cast while running simple as that....

You can't have an engaging game like that without collision.......... It wouldnt be fun to JUMP inside the mob or just run through it......... gosh. The game would be waaay to easy if you could do that..... Think a little harder for the next post please, thank you ^.^

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

Character movement has is nothing but gameplay change i didnt say i wanted pink ribbons in my hair i want to dodge during battle jump backwards jump to the side dodge etc list goes on with character actions they could use for battle intergration....and why wouldnt you want that? its limiting to not impliment it....you wont be able to keep up with mmo's 5 years from now...itll never succeed without some pizzazz in fighting standing still casting heals or bored ass autoattack to build tp just to press 1 button = slow and boring all i wanna do is have more character movement in battle. THIS GAME NEEDS IT FANBOYS just take 1 step back and say wait that would be interested if i could side jump away from the lazer batraal uses instead of having to run. and alot of time you wont have time to move in battle....why cant i run and shoot a bow or run and cast same time in a fantasy game? cause it was made bad. we need a new battle system physic system and movement system in play at all times in this game gonna be dumb when your chocobo gets stuck on a pebble....FFXI all over again

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I'm not saying these features wouldn't be nice. But to tell us to stop talking about the actual gameplay aspects to focous on little action stunts to pull in more people, in my view, is absurd.

I'm all for a more involved combat..
Not really fussed about it just looking more fancy alone though, a lot more important things to get working before they just add polish to the game again..

Collision in combat is a must to me, i'm fine with it reduced to a point for general game play, it makes most people happy so fair enough, power to the people an all that shizl...
But id love to see a better AI and combat being more involved and dynamic, with players having to think on the spot and react all the time.
And not just stand on one spot or run though the mob to get behind it, cos that looks so *bad words* its untrue.

Oh and yeh attacks while moving would be nice, maybe reducing Acc/Damage by 25-75% at random to cover that your in motion so there is a trade off for it.

^.^ That I can agree on, Esk. Well said.

This is all I have to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0-f...eature=related

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Originally Posted by AshToreth

^^this and....

"You're" not "Your focused on the wrong thing!", dimwit.

And as for the rest of the OP....

/facepalm

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^--- This.

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

This game is boring to most everyone in the world except the handful of fanboys....that even play it....why wouldnt you want more action? because you dont know whats fun....simple as that....Everything about this game screams need more action...

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So why not go and play other games that appeal to your action needs? Why play something that you believe is boring?

I understand what you are trying to say, but there is only so much you can do in a MMORPG.

Keep autoattack then if you have such a crush on it, but still make combat not suck.

Lol at Gramul saying this is "fluff". In case you hadn't noticed, combat is a pretty big part of the game, and obviously Yoshi thought the same since it was apparently his biggest priority of his entire life to add autoattack. (even though it fixed nothing and only added more problems).

Fixing the combat system does not equal automating it.

fix =/= autopilot snoozefest.

Look, they've already made combat boring and now they want to make crafting boring too. What's left? Sidequests? Yipeee. (owait, no)

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

even though it fixed nothing and only added more problems

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We can still kill things the same as before. I don't see how auto-attack caused any 'problems' apart from causing a small minority of players to complain about it.

The only thing that can be said, which has been said time and time and time again only people don't listen, is that since they're STILL fixing the games core system and mechanics, auto-attack is not the end of the changes to the battle system, it is only the beginning of the changes. As more patches come out to alter the battle system, it will be changed and enhanced so that players won't care about how long auto-attack takes.

The only options open to players who don't like the current battle system 'whilst we wait for the rest of it to be enhanced' is to either go and play another game untill the patch comes out that finally marks the totality of the battle systems operation, or deal with it like the players who aren't complaining about it are whilst waiting for the changes. simply complaining about it's current operation isn't magically going to make S.E change it within a matter of days or weeks, it takes a lot of time and hard work to rebuild a games core functions, and it's not just the battle systems they have to work on right now, it's pretty much everything. If they focus all on one thing, such as the battle system, then players who are more interested in crafting, exploring, doing leves, dungeons or quests will all have to wait even longer for their changes and content.

The way they're doing it now is to have each patch change and fix multiple different parts of the game which benefits EVERY player, not just the ones that like to fight all the time. Give them a bit of patience and eventually the battle system will be what you want, untill then complaining about it isn't going to change anything. If you really want to do something about it, offer suggestions and ideas of what you'd want the battle system to be like when it's finished.

The OP offered suggestions such as being able to move around much more during combat, which is a constructive idea that S.E could consider. A little more detail as to how this would operate and be used would be good so as people would get a better idea of what they'd see in a fight with functions such as that.

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Originally Posted by Zalasta

I understand what you are trying to say, but there is only so much you can do in a MMORPG.

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Other games in the genre are trying to push those boundaries, which I think is great. I wish FFXIV were a part of that... actually, another year under Tanaka and it might have in a totally different way. Don't know if it'd have been a good or bad thing though.

game needs more action a more player involved battle system dodgeing and jumps also running while casting and shooting FFS its a new gen mmo thats been out a year and nothing has HONESTLY been done... woopdey damn do auto attack (which sucks unless your a melee attacker) and 2 dungeons (which honestly having a 60 minute time limit are the worst dungeons in video game history. run through spam sleep kill 2 bosses in 60 minutes) worst idea to add game timers to dungeons....needs more action needs more action needs more action needs more action needs more action needs more action oh and timers dont give game difficulty....

People know standing still and battling is boring......so why not change it and if you dont agree with what that then you shouldnt be aloud to comment on battle changes... this game hasnt gotten better....nothings changed....and its even gotten a bit slower....*Sleeps Toad* *Accidently Auto Attacks Waking Toad Before Could Passive* *Sleep On CD* *Gets Raped* *Shoulda Been Melee* *Lame* Only Good For Melee Auto Attack....And Shouldnt Be Applied To Ranged And Where Is This Character Control And Movement That Games 6+Years Old (MMO Wise Even) HAVE BEEN HAD! You Guys Are So Stuck On Remembering FFXI That You Dont Remember HOW BORING 11 WAS With the menu combat system that felt like a suped up PS1 FF battle system it was old still is old and will never be fun again its movement control and action that makes games fun not standing still pressing a button....ITS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THE GAME AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW!

Eff waiting on auto attack to be "enhanced" kinda crap are you hopin for?!?!?! its a myth ..... unless they take auto attack from ranged chars allow on melee only itll never be good..... We NEED MORE ACTION!

I can understand your frustration but you're going a bit overboard with this. Calm down and offer constructive ideas on what and how you would like the battle system to be changed.

And lay off the sugar and caffeine, k? ;)

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I can understand your frustration but you're going a bit overboard with this. Calm down and offer constructive ideas on what and how you would like the battle system to be changed.

And lay off the sugar and caffeine, k? ;)

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Not gonna happen i love drugs and good games and rage on bad games and this is just one of those games....this is no matter the "Creative" or new battle system idea ANYONE offers them it cannot be put into effect because it took them more than half a year to release a simple autoattack that did nothing and they will not spend time redoing for a better physics system or a better battle system after all of that....both of their battle systems have failed....and its taken a year to release 1 major patch (which wasnt even that ground breaking or massive) with 1 more patch released after the year mark.....nothing has changed nothing will change for the next 2-3 years and by that time its already outta date hell its outta date now

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

Not gonna happen i love drugs and good games and rage on bad games and this is just one of those games....this is no matter the "Creative" or new battle system idea ANYONE offers them it cannot be put into effect because it took them more than half a year to release a simple autoattack that did nothing and they will not spend time redoing for a better physics system or a better battle system after all of that....both of their battle systems have failed....and its taken a year to release 1 major patch (which wasnt even that ground breaking or massive) with 1 more patch released after the year mark.....nothing has changed nothing will change for the next 2-3 years and by that time its already outta date hell its outta date now

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m'kay... think that's another one to the ignore list.

You keep on raging and we'll just keep on pretending you're not here.

thing is behind all this rage i have i wanted this game to succeed so badly i was a fan of FFXI cause it was decent back in the day but i cant go back and play it now its to stiff and boring. i have NEVER in my whole life anticipated a game as much as i did FFXIV and when it came out last september i said (ill give it a few months) well its been a year now and i still look at it in dissapointment.....im so angry.....cause they took the 1 game ive been looking foward to for YEARS AND YEARS and its a mess...

Omg biggest problem

Game has gotten better unless you want to go back to release day

I don't think this game would become very action pace like you are asking because its kind of hard to rework the battle system all over again to fill in your standards.

I can already think of a game that should meet your standards and that is tera

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

m'kay... think that's another one to the ignore list.

You keep on raging and we'll just keep on pretending you're not here.

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Dont need forum failures anyway....i hope the Devs know they suck at deving....cause they need better people on their team

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

Dont need forum failures anyway....i hope the Devs know they suck at deving....cause they need better people on their team

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Do you program my friend?

SE Will Go Bankrupt If They Continued To Release Games Like This....Why Did They Even Release This?

Like the cut of this guy's jib.

Even chess is more fun than ffxiv combat. there's more strategy, more actions.

And even it's faster.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Big wall of text that I read through

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I agree 100% with what Konachibi said.

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

So Pro

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Pro sig...

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

SE Will Go Bankrupt If They Continued To Release Games Like This....Why Did They Even Release This?

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Even S.E admitted it shouldn't have been released in the state it was in when it they sent it out. It needed at least another 2 years of development but Tanaka gave it the ok for release.

As for the constant myriad of complaining about when the battle system will be changed that's mixed into the confusing spam of your writing, I'd like to draw your attention to this Letter From The Producer XVII.

As you can see in there the battle system will be tweaked in 1.19 which is very soon, and the adjustments to the battle system will be in 1.20. Since S.E have currently been releasing patches at a reasonable 2-3 month gap, the thing you're screaming so loudly for isn't too far away.

If you can't be patient and wait a little longer for this change to be put in, well, that's your problem.

Welp, I am going to say this is a problem thread, and the OP can't even give a good argument, let alone a constructive one. Going to see if I can't get this thread blocked.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Welp, I am going to say this is a problem thread, and the OP can't even give a good argument, let alone a constructive one. Going to see if I can't get this thread blocked.

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Want some popcorns while waiting for that to happen? ^^

its called MMORPG not ACTION-MMORPG
if you wanna "dodge-jump-dive-duck-...dodge" go to another game where it offers you thous :/

Autoattack was a waste of time and only gave the developers more excuses to make FFXIV even slower.

"LOL IT CANT BE FAST LIKE TERA IF IT HAS AUTOATTACK, STUPID"

... Um, then take autoattack out.

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Originally Posted by Raubahn

its called MMORPG not ACTION-MMORPG
if you wanna "dodge-jump-dive-duck-...dodge" go to another game where it offers you thous :/

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This game was supposed to offer "Active combat where positing matters".

Maybe you're the one that should have left. just saying.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

This game was supposed to offer "Active combat where positing matters".

Maybe you're the one that should have left. just saying.

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It still has positioning.

Example:

1: There's a PUG skill where positioning an enemy behind you will enable you to evade it's attacks more often.
2: There's also a PUG skill which increases the damage of your next attack if you're standing behind the enemy.

Haven't played much of the other DoW classes so don't know about their skills, but that was too perfectly good examples that you can't argue against.

But if you actually played this game instead of just complaining about it, you'd know these things, which you clearly don't.

You can position yourself to dodge some aoe attacks and backward and frontal attacks

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Originally Posted by thepinksupervisor

You can position yourself to dodge some aoe attacks and backward and frontal attacks

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A) We know
B) It's cumbersome at the moment
C) half the time the servers are too crappy to even register it

Oh i took your context wrong since you said supposed to.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

A) We know
B) It's cumbersome at the moment
C) half the time the servers are too crappy to even register it

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All of the above, being fixed just after patch 1.19 is released.

That was covered a LONG time ago in a thread way way way way back in the forum.

Who the hell is this clown?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Who the hell is this clown?

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I think we're all wondering the same haha