Lustrate

i always have the maintank under control, its the DPS that run into ae or something that ate my lustrrates, and its better for that now.
Im greedy with my aetherflow stacks because i want my mana to be full all the time, so i didnt use it to heal in cleric stance, i just drop stance and throw heals until hp is almost full then adlo and back into cleric stance.


Just need to pay more attention when you activate dps stance, because you cant drop it for a few secs and you dont have lustrate now to help during that time.

When I first heard the spell changed from 25% to 600 potency, I was sad and upset. However, after playing with it, I actually prefer it this way. It's much more useful to have an instant 600 potency heal to use on DPS who screw up, and it still heals most tanks for a lot if you blow 2 of them (as even before, just 25% wasn't enough). It's not AS good on tanks, but usually when I had to use Lustrate on the tank it was because I screwed up by either not pre-casting SS/Adlo or by DPSing and letting their health drop too low for Physick to make up for.

Between 3 Lustrates, 1 Physick, and an Embrace....that's 2500 potency of healing in about 4 seconds. If you do Emergency Tactics and Adlo, it's 2800 Potency. Your single-target healing is ridiculous as a SCH.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Though on the opposite side of the coin, at least this is kinda offsetted by the fact you can get guaranteed heal Crits from flank / rear while Raw Intuition is up >>;

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This is a bug. Like, a huge bug. There is no way in the seven hells that Raw Intuition is working as intended, at the moment - it is so OP that it's not even funny. Do not rely on it.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

This is a bug. Like, a huge bug. There is no way in the seven hells that Raw Intuition is working as intended, at the moment - it is so OP that it's not even funny. Do not rely on it.

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Of course it's a bug. It's similar to the awareness bug that affected PLD in 2.0. The second half of my post was intended to be a joke. :p

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Originally Posted by RiisWolf

If your warrior is getting hit in the side/back often to begin with, then he was never really doing a good job. That's a serious issue even before the expansion since Overpower needs everything you want hit to be in front of you.

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See above~ Also, I don't think you realize that Raw Intuition is currently bugged to guarantee crits on both attacks AND heal spells from the flank and side, making it one of the best "healing tools" in the game ATM (and should be properly patched in the near future).

Sorry I misread that to be Hits instead of healing, in which case no one should get used to it.

I've tried the Lustrate so far and it's more better than I thought, especially when critical. Well yeah it affects the potency when on cleric stance but this skill isn't that bad for WAR too.

Let talk some numbers here. 25% and 600 potency are all nice and everything, but numbers is what it boils down to. I've not been 60 long so if anyone has their own experience to add then feel free.

Most dps I've seen have about 10k hp. With 2.2k lustrates that's about 22% of their hp. That's non-crit. If we crit for 3.4k (honestly I don't remember what I crit for, but i'm guessing its something like this) that's 34% of their hp. Okay, I like lustrate on dps and healers. It's about the same or better if it crits on current content/gear levels.

Most tanks I've seen have about 15k hp. 2.2k lustrates is about 15% of their hp. If we crit and get a 3.4k lustrate its ~21%. Okay so on tanks we have to crit to get close to what it was previously on starting content for this patch. Not fun, but it's still not effected by debuffs that make healing spells heal for less. I find it to be an acceptable nerf, especially since SE nerf'd WHM's stoneskin passive.

tl;dr - I was initially sad by the lustrate changes, but I'm not upset and I'll learn to deal with it.

I crit for around 5-6k in raids tho. Not sure where you got those numbers.

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Originally Posted by Lafier

Most dps I've seen have about 10k hp. With 2.2k lustrates that's about 22% of their hp. That's non-crit. If we crit for 3.4k (honestly I don't remember what I crit for, but i'm guessing its something like this) that's 34% of their hp. Okay, I like lustrate on dps and healers. It's about the same or better if it crits on current content/gear levels.

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These numbers are a little off. I only have 3 i170 pieces and my Lustrates are already hitting for around 3.5k, doing (I think) around 5.6k in crits. It's definitely better on non tanks regardless of crit by quite a margin.

I am ilvl180 and i can post the values of 3 lustrates.
 Critical! You recover 6123 HP.
 You recover 4173 HP.
 You recover 4159 HP.

Yeah, I'm super low ilv so these new numbers are what I wanted to see.

How much hp does the ilv 180 tanks and dps typically have? For reference.

Also, I hadn't paid attention to my heals in a few levels I guess. I just got a 5k crit and 3.5k normal lustrate. So yeah.

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Originally Posted by Lafier

Yeah, I'm super low ilv so these new numbers are what I wanted to see.

How much hp does the ilv 180 tanks and dps typically have? For reference.

Also, I hadn't paid attention to my heals in a few levels I guess. I just got a 5k crit and 3.5k normal lustrate. So yeah.

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The paladin i am raiding with has arround 17k hp

On a random note - is it just me or are WAR's so incredibly squishy with being a SCH? (It may be the same for other healers; I'm not sure in HW). Anyway I'm fine with DRK's, I'm fine with PLD's, but as soon as I start healing a WAR I've got to do everything in my power to keep up @_@

Okay, so I just managed to random into a group with a war that was in full ilv180 gear, except 1 ilv170 accessary. He had 21.7k hp. Lets assume a full ilv180 with 190 weapon war can get to 22k hp.

Using the numbers given to us by our ilv 180 sch

Critical! You recover 6123 HP.
 You recover 4173 HP.
 You recover 4159 HP.

We get with a 22k hp war.
~19% heal non crit and ~27% heal crits. All in all, currently lustrate is better than it was on dps and healers, and about, but not quite as good as I was on tanks.