RMT nuisance PLEASE STOP THEM SE

Supply and demand, my fine friends.

Players keep buying from em, why do they want to stop?

The bigger the playerbase, the more chances someone will actually buy from them.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Over 100 pages pleading for SE to do, even say, something. Not 1 hint of recognition. If that is not ignoring us what would you call it?

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why anyone uses the default number of posts per page i will never know. i see 26 pages. also, a large portion of posts in that thread is a giant circle jerk of the same 8 people.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

why anyone uses the default number of posts per page i will never know. i see 26 pages. also, a large portion of posts in that thread is a giant circle jerk of the same 8 people.

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I don't know what thread you are looking at but the 1 I linked now has 101 pages with 1009 posts. And SE still say nothing.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I don't know what thread you are looking at but the 1 I linked now has 101 pages with 1009 posts. And SE still say nothing.

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please reread their post

Two Options:
- /busy
- Turn off/ignore the chat box.

No harm done on your half. Now stop with these pointless threads? That dead horse must be getting tiiiiiicked.

One more thing; You think it's a good, fair idea to ban new players/characters for 72hrs just for sending /tells,/shouts and friend requests? My god, I pray to Hydaleyn that we ain't on the same server.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I don't know what thread you are looking at but the 1 I linked now has 101 pages with 1009 posts. And SE still say nothing.

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>forum actions
>general settings
>number of posts per page.

I believe I may have found the only viable option left for dealing with RMT. Just ignore the spam. Go through the 4 button click process of declining their friend requests and just play the game. It's apparent that only the very small handful of RMT that SE are going to ban when the banhammer waves happen will be the ones who are banned. Those RMT will just repurchase the game, make new accounts, make new characters, and continue to spam us until we all pull our hair out to the point that we're all bald, IF we let them get on our nerves. There are SO very many threads. SO very many concerned players. Zero response from any community mod on the issue. It's obvious. We are NOT going to get a response. Sorry to be pessimistic. Truly I am, but I have given up.

When those with the power to actually do something to alleviate the playerbase from the annoyance caused by the RMT choose to only do the little that they actually do, with a STF of only 3 people, and no indication that there will ever be any more than those 3 working on the issue, and with the problem only continuing to be as bad as, if not worse, than it has always been, it's hard to have any faith that it will ever get any better.

Here's to hoping that the game is very successful, and has a very long lifespan, even though a large portion of the playerbase pretty much has to suck it up and deal with the RMT plague with only the very little help that is provided by the company who developed the game and accepts our sub payments. I can only hope that new players are as understanding as we are and decide not to vote with their wallets and that they continue to play the game rather than leave with a bad taste in their mouth due to the fact that SE are not actively banning RMT accounts as quickly as we might like them to.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

Balmung, The last strong hold. Where RMT only very rarely slip by server lockouts.

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This is a very good point. This could explain why I don't see very much RMT. It's not easy to create new characters on my server. So I'll admit the situation could easily be far worse then I assumed. I feel silly for not making that connection, when I switched servers, and had a lot less issues with RMT messages. Nevertheless acting like SE is doing nothing, or seeing posts they give saying they are doing something, and claim that isn't anything to shake a stick at, or claiming its doing NOTHING is just foolish. I hate feeling like I'm white knighting this thing, but I understand both perspectives. It's not a simple fix, if it was there would be no RMT on any mmo. It wouldn't be a thing. I think people need to stop acting like nothing is being done, or not enough is being done. RMT is a global issue, they been at this forever and have extreme programming knowledge. For many its there lively hood, so they make it their top priority to make this RMT activity possible in any games that they deem ripe for gil/gold selling. Blame them for being so effective, and knowledgeable of programming, for making it so hard for SE to stop the activity at the level you deemed worthy of being called, "doing something".

SE really need to add features to stop this, it can put new players off. Stuff like detecting certain speech patterns, or making it so you need to reach level 15 or something until you can tell/add friends (only exception being a "recruit a friend friend"). The RMT team they've got is doing a good job, but the root of the problems needs to be tackled.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

why anyone uses the default number of posts per page i will never know. i see 26 pages. also, a large portion of posts in that thread is a giant circle jerk of the same 8 people.

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I suppose that's why it has 200+ sigs and 300+ likes huh? Clearly just eight people. Probably half or more of the posts on that thread are from others.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

I suppose that's why it has 200+ sigs and 300+ likes huh? Clearly just eight people. Probably half or more of the posts on that thread are from others.

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myself included because RMT is a problem. im not trying to diminish the thread itself, but some people really enjoy overstating the importance of some things. also, if it wasnt obvious, my statement of 8 people is a pretty blatent exageration. the only real way to completely shut out RMT is to make all items untradeable. it would bring an end to the market, and point of having gil, but gotta stop rmt right?(again, please note that this is a very bad exageration).

edit: actually, if you look at that thread another way, it tells that no one really cares what RMT does because if anything, those numbers are low in regards to the whole player base.(this is ignoring that the people who frequent the forums are in the minority).

47 friend invites?? Is that even real? I'm almost never busy and at most I receive 2 friend invites before time expires or whatever and their request dissapears.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

myself included because RMT is a problem. im not trying to diminish the thread itself, but some people really enjoy overstating the importance of some things. also, if it wasnt obvious, my statement of 8 people is a pretty blatent exageration. the only real way to completely shut out RMT is to make all items untradeable. it would bring an end to the market, and point of having gil, but gotta stop rmt right?(again, please note that this is a very bad exageration).

edit: actually, if you look at that thread another way, it tells that no one really cares what RMT does because if anything, those numbers are low in regards to the whole player base.(this is ignoring that the people who frequent the forums are in the minority).

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There are but a handful of threads with over 1,000 replies in the General Discussion forum, and even less threads that got to that amount of replies so quickly. This tells me this is actually a rather pressing concern for the playerbase on these forums. I have no proof but I'd be willing to bet it's a problem for those who don't visit these forums as well.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

There are but a handful of threads with over 1,000 replies in the General Discussion forum, and even less threads that got to that amount of replies so quickly. This tells me this is actually a rather pressing concern for the playerbase on these forums. I have no proof but I'd be willing to bet it's a problem for those who don't visit these forums as well.

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i agree with that for the most part, but the replies portion is a bad number to use without applying unique replies.

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Originally Posted by Drako

The only sure fire way to deal with RMT is for players to stop buying there gil. Sense that will never happen, then RMT will never go away. Don't blame SE, blame the players, they are the only one at fault.

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:P

I see this a lot, and it's true, but only in a very technical sense. Like, world peace is easily achievable, we just need to stop having wars.

A 1-step solution isn't necessarily easy if that 1 step is something ridiculously difficult to accomplish

Indeed, the goal of stamping out RMT in a way that would satisfy this or any community that is bothered by it. Is the same as the goal to achieve world peace. imho

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Originally Posted by Drako

Indeed, the goal of stamping out RMT in a way that would satisfy this or any community that is bothered by it. Is the same as the goal to achieve world peace. imho

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Sorry for using a rhetorical device. Moving on.

So you really think getting everyone to stop buying gil counts as a 1-step plan? That feels intellectually honest to you?

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Originally Posted by Drako

It's more of a nuisance to see this thread over, and over, and over again....

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Now SE knows what RMT spam feels like.....

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I accept that there is no magic bullet that will make RMT spam go away. But there needs to be a MUCH easier way for players to report it. Right now you have to fill out a form for each one, and that is FAR too much effort. We should just be able to right click the name - report RMT spam - and have it automatically block that person and remove their text from our chat window. This is the way that the MMO's that have gotten a handle on this have done it. Because most players are not going to go to the trouble to fill out a form every time they get an RMT spam message. But they WILL go to the trouble to right click - report spam.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

i agree with that for the most part, but the replies portion is a bad number to use without applying unique replies.

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Kaze....that thread went from complaining about the RMT situation and offering solutions to begging SE to acknowledge and respond to customer's concerns. I saw in a previous response that you believe that subscribers do not deserve a response. I must respectfully disagree with you, especially when done in such large numbers. To totally ignore these calls for help is disrespectful to those who pay their hard earned money to play. I do not know who things work in Japan nor do I care. We are not from Japan and live in a different culture. If SE wants to do business in NA/EU then they must learn and adapt to our cultural beliefs as regards tro acceptable business practice. Especially when they segregate Japan from NA/EU as they have done.

To the OP.

The more you Buy gil the more the RMT on the server know you're a potential customer. The people who get the most amount of spam and tells have probably bought gill in the past. That's why they spam you so much.

I get like 1 friend request a day. No big deal for me. And it's funny cos in this game you don't really need money expect to buy a house and to craft but money is only valid in the crafting circles. In the adventuring circles and pvp circles the best gear is all earned and can't be bought. So to the OP since you know the sites and get spamed a lot I would say you buy gil

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Originally Posted by Mercuito

To the OP.

The more you Buy gil the more the RMT on the server know you're a potential customer. The people who get the most amount of spam and tells have probably bought gill in the past. That's why they spam you so much.

I get like 1 friend request a day. No big deal for me. And it's funny cos in this game you don't really need money expect to buy a house and to craft but money is only valid in the crafting circles. In the adventuring circles and pvp circles the best gear is all earned and can't be bought. So to the OP since you know the sites and get spamed a lot I would say you buy gil

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This isn't really true though. I'm a newcomer to the game. I started 9 days ago. And I've been getting RMT spam starting on day 1. And no I have never bought gold/gil/whatever in any MMO I've ever played. These people are actively looking in the starter areas for new players and spamming them. This is the same pattern they've followed in every MMO I've ever played. Yes, they exist because people do buy gold/gil. But they don't only spam the people who have bought in the past. They spam as many people as they can. I'd love to report every single one of them, there just needs to be an easier way to do so. I really don't have time to fill out forms every time I get a spam, because if I did I wouldn't be able to do anything else.

This isn't my first MMO though, and I know there's no magic bullet SE can use to get rid of these guys. They are a plague on every single MMO out there, big or small. All SE really needs to do is provide us an easy click/report way to report/block these guys, so we don't have to fill out a form and use up space on our blacklist.