Addressing Leechers in Crystal Tower

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Steps of Faith pre nerf.

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Because that was sooo much fun trying to coordinate a full party mixed with E, D and F players! Actually, I'm with you on the harder content, but not if its in a daily roulette crammed full of easier stuff (like the trial roulette). People still leave steps of faith as it is, and very few people select join in progress because of it too.

Also with you on the AFKers, which I loathe every since my WoW LFR days. Funnily enough, most of the AFKer back then were endgame raiders that saw the content as beneath them, and would rather autoattack while watching something else.

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Originally Posted by Eul

I've met those leechers. Majority BLM. They only put some damage to boss and then stop attacking.

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The tanks refused to stop pulling so we could kick a leech BRD >.>. I never do Labyrinth at the end of the week anymore. I can't wait till we have the lowest ilvl sync.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

By and large, the Alliance members don't care at all and just pull the next boss (they aren't waiting for anything). Also asking anyone to wait on opening the loot chest so we can kick is ignored and it appears some even get pleasure from opening the chest, due to the fact you simply asked them to wait to allow you to kick an afk leech.

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Someone above had the perfect solution to that- have your party stand outside the barrier to the next encounter after asking the alliance to hold off on pulling... if they do it anyway, they can see what it's like to carry people who aren't doing anything with the 8 of you locked out. Well I suppose not all 8 people in your party will be in agreement re: the strategy since at least one is the leech in this scenario but the CT fights don't go well with less than 3 parties involved. Especially Atomos, by which point leechers should have been identified.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

You know, maybe we need more content that was like Steps of Faith pre nerf. Or even stuff like the Odin trial. Content where you get punished for not outputting your best like you should.

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You hit the nail on the head on that one. FFXI wouldn't even let you hit level cap until you beat Maat. And he was friggin tough!! This whole attitude of the game needs to let everyone win just so everyone feels better about themselves needs to stop.

At the end of the day if people can't beat steps of faith, its better for them to leave then to drag the whole game down with them just to keep a few people from unsubscribing.

If your having trouble join an FC, get folks that know the fight to help you, practice a little more, and try to learn the strategy. Once you learn the strategy, try teaching others. Don't go straight to the forums and beg for nerfs.

If people would let it, this game could be so much more fun than a weekly tomestone grind.

No Comment... Because I never seen something like this.
BTW CT is fairly easy... Fast run.
You even didn't feel it when its already done.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

No Comment... Because I never seen something like this.
BTW CT is fairly easy... Fast run.
You even didn't feel it when its already done.

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I had a few CT runs where everyone was overgeared and knew what the heck to do. I was so amazed at how fast we cleared it that I couldn't stop laughing. But even overgeared players can screw everyone over when they don't do their jobs properly. I had ST runs where we kept wiping on the Squires phase because no one was leading them to the proper spots.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

Only one person has access to that button. Other healer was also new, not going to kick him for under-performance. Kicked people should not be able to resume the same instance, what good does it do?

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Stops people from kicking you because their buddy just logged in and they'd rather have him instead of you.

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Originally Posted by Mahri

CT raids are ridiculously easy.

If a few people being carried are genuinely slowing you down, then step up your own game.

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It's the principle of the thing. I don't exist to carry lazy people. Neither does anyone else. If I see someone that's just afk'ing and not putting in any effort toward clearing the content, I'll do everything in my power to get rid of them so that we can potentially get someone that's actually going to give half a shit about the other 23 people in the raid.

If the entire raid decided they wanted a carry and just stood around, we wouldn't really get anywhere, would we?

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Originally Posted by Mahri

Except someone bad in Sastasha can actually slow you down somewhat.

The reason they made the large-group raids in this game the easier ones is precisely so that slackers won't be a real hindrance.

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ANd then they get their gear and do the same thing in the next 24 man. Why are we rewarding bad behaviour? If the people slacking was actually causing alliances to lose, people would shape up pretty quick if they wanted to get that level 120 gear.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

No Comment... Because I never seen something like this.
BTW CT is fairly easy... Fast run.
You even didn't feel it when its already done.

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This is all server/data dependant. If bone dragon wipes raid once its gonna be a bad AND slow run. That is a glaring indication.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

This is all server/data dependant. If bone dragon wipes raid once its gonna be a bad AND slow run. That is a glaring indication.

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Wipes on King Behemoth because no one tanks the Iron Giant and no one DPSes the Bombs... OMG, this is Labyrinth late in the week...

I joked around begging behe to mark me so I can have my own personal comet to hide behind.

Read about "social loafing" and why doing things with large groups of people are prone to this.

^I think 3-4 BLMs blasting Flares everywhere would certainly matter to the group.

Was an interesting read.

not really directly related to ct but i had in my last wod run 3 summoner who used the entire time titan egi x_x

They were likely newbies and knew no different. Either that or they were trolling. But I'm leaning more towards newbies. Just because of how incredibly accessible WoD is to new players. Whats the Ilvl100? Ya you can get that pretty quickly, either by doing ST, or by doing the expert dungeons. Because they drop 100 stuff.

It's kind of ironic that "easy" content tend to be the most difficult due to other people making it that way.

Well I wouldn't consider it hard just because your wiping a couple times each boss, due to new people. Compared to doing something that is actually hard like coil, where you wipe hundreds of times before you move on to the next turn, that is easy. It's just we view it as "hard" because we personally have done all the CTs 100s of times and just want it done and over with.

Oh I'm not explicitly blaming newbies here. Most of them tend to learn fast. It's when you're dealing with overgeared people who feel like they don't need to bother trying at all for whatever reason tends to be the source of most wipes.

Ya, that can be frustrating. I recall a thread about CT awhile back where a lot of people fully admitted to not putting in 100% on the CTs, simply because it is easy. I can't recall what the results were, but that is just crazy. It's almost ironic, people complain about the speed of the run, and sit there and be lazy. You can have 2-3 people equally geared to more then half the alliance, and those 2-3 people are doing way more then the rest. If all of the group that has OP gear would put in 100%, they would be done in half the time. I've been in a couple alliances like that, where everyone was doing there best. And we beat ST in like 20 mins flat. I was like WOOOOOOW. It's nuts when people put in their all. I'd love to see what a full premade group of i130 peeps that go all out can do. I bet it could become a thing really fast if people at least tried it. All though not sure what would happen to the queue.