New Scholar Attack Spell?

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Originally Posted by Eloah

My statement was that Bane isn't an attack spell, which it isn't. Technically, Energy Drain isn't either, but seeing as how it does damage the enemy I can see how people would view it that way.
And Kisai's statement was that since Energy Drain doesn't change Enmity, if it does I don't know, it might not be considered one because it isn't a spell you would use often.

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Energy Drain generates normal damage enmity. If you want some sort of proof:
http://i.imgur.com/Vjh6fL8.png
That's one Energy Drain vs one Flash (once with STR spec and once with VIT spec, but taht shouldnt really matter now). BESIDES THE FACT THAT ENERGY DRAIN DEALS DAMAGE, SO HOW CAN IT NOT BE A DAMAGE SPELL.
And for Bane: What else would you call Bane? Mitigation? Healing? It clearly increases your DPS by spreading DoTs, so I don't see why it shouldn't be a damage spell.
(If you can't see its usefulness: T10 adds, T12 bennus and blackfires, T13 add phase). It also increases your enmity on the affected mobs if you want to go that way :confused:

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Originally Posted by Eloah

So why should we use our Stacks on Energy Drain when there are other abilities, like Bane, Lustrate, and Sacred Soil? Granted in emergencies or to use up old stacks for newer ones i can see, but you make it sound like it should be used all the time.

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I'm not gonna explain why you would use Energy Drain, because it's pretty fucking obvious if you have more than 2 braincells. And if you're one of those SCH that spam Adlo and Lustrate on the tanks and then wonder why you have no MP and cry for Ballad in party chat, while the WHM is at 90% MP, you should consider rolling a different class.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Wow what a dick thing to say. Try looking at the heart of what we both said before you pass your idiotic judgement.

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If people wouldn't spout their (stupid) opinions as fact, maybe then we wouldn't call them dumbasses. Hugbox replies and echo chambers won't stop people from making stupid threads (nerf/remove CS).

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

The above mainly applies to raiding. In dungeons you'd be using Bane and Lustrate more in trash pulls than Energy Drain.

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I See. And, in truth, I haven't had the chance to raid much, so I always forget that there are raid utilities to certain moves. Also, and I will admit this, upon rereading Energy Drain's description, I admit I had a few things mixed in my head. So yes I can see why some players would label it an attack spell, especially in raid environments.

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Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet

Energy Drain generates normal damage enmity. If you want some sort of proof:
http://i.imgur.com/Vjh6fL8.png
That's one Energy Drain vs one Flash (once with STR spec and once with VIT spec, but taht shouldnt really matter now). BESIDES THE FACT THAT ENERGY DRAIN DEALS DAMAGE, SO HOW CAN IT NOT BE A DAMAGE SPELL.
And for Bane: What else would you call Bane? Mitigation? Healing? It clearly increases your DPS by spreading DoTs, so I don't see why it shouldn't be a damage spell.
(If you can't see its usefulness: T10 adds, T12 bennus and blackfires, T13 add phase). It also increases your enmity on the affected mobs if you want to go that way :confused:


I'm not gonna explain why you would use Energy Drain, because it's pretty fucking obvious if you have more than 2 braincells. And if you're one of those SCH that spam Adlo and Lustrate on the tanks and then wonder why you have no MP and cry for Ballad in party chat, while the WHM is at 90% MP, you should consider rolling a different class.

If people wouldn't spout their (stupid) opinions as fact, maybe then we wouldn't call them dumbasses. Hugbox replies and echo chambers won't stop people from making stupid threads (nerf/remove CS).

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Wow, you seem to be just as aggravating as the last guy. First off lets look at the post you quoted.

The first post you quoted is of me calling the others guys statement rude. and talking about how my original statement involved Bane, NOT ENERGY DRAIN, the other player Kisai was talking about Energy Drain, not me. The move I was talking about was Bane.

The second post you quoted is of me asking why the person I asked made it seem like they used Energy Drain as a regular attack, when as a Healer, the other moves that were mentioned are a bit more important. I was asking her a question, not indicating Energy Drain is useless. And Yeah I know how to use Energy Drain, I know how to do my job, and be humble doing it, doubt I could say the same for you. Oh and FYI I never run out of MP.

And lastly, you posted my response to another player that what they said was uncalled for. None of the statements mentioned were opinions stated as fact, at least none of mine were, and it's one thing to disagree with someone, but another to call them dumb and stupid because you don't agree with their opinions.

Now, I think it would be nice for everyone if this thread could get back to the original idea of talking about the new Scholar attack. So please what ever response you may have for me, about a move I didn't even bring up, please save if for another time.

Thank You

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Wow, you seem to be just as aggravating as the last guy. First off lets look at the post you quoted.

The first post you quoted is of me calling the others guys statement rude. and talking about how my original statement involved Bane, NOT ENERGY DRAIN, the other player Kisai was talking about Energy Drain, not me. The move I was talking about was Bane.

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Do I have to remind you of your own posts?
>Well I didnt forget Bane or Energy Drain since they aren't attack spells, granted Assize might be similar to Energy Drain but I dont know.
Energy Drain also works perfectly on dungeon bosses and overworld mobs, so it's not just useful in a "raid environment".

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Originally Posted by Eloah

The second post you quoted is of me asking why the person I asked made it seem like they used Energy Drain as a regular attack, when as a Healer, the other moves that were mentioned are a bit more important. I was asking her a question, not indicating Energy Drain is useless. And Yeah I know how to use Energy Drain, I know how to do my job, and be humble doing it, doubt I could say the same for you. Oh and FYI I never run out of MP.

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Another player already explained uses of Aetherflow abilities pretty well, so I'm not going to go in on that, but the more experienced and overgeared for content, the less Sacred Soil and Lustrate you will need.
If you really want to go that way calling me out on being a bad player, I can pull the card of having dreadwyrm gear compared to your ironworks gear.

For the last point, it wasn't a direct pointing at you, but all people posting things without proof (Energy Drain doesn't increase enmity) or posting about classes/mechanics without any experience on it (ie not having leveled said classes). I've been browsing the forums for quite a while now and it happens more often than you think.

To get back to the original topic, afaik we don't know anything about it so I won't speculate too much about it as well. I'm not gonna keep reading here so have fun theorycrafting.

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Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet

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Well, those responses were nicer. And while I'd like to repond, I'm done fueling the fire, good day to whoever else write in this post. Let's let it die with a shread of dignety.

The classic tonberry spell step mine, or "traveler" would be something interesting to see. Though I don't know how it would even be implemented.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Traveler_(Ability)

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

http://rs174.pbsrc.com/albums/w90/na...ratch.gif~c200

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Did you not see the Smiley after I said that?

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/tables/enmity-tables/

Because we had this dang argument already about healing generating enmity and I wasn't going to go into it again. Which part is generating the enmity, the healing or the attack? Said website didn't test, and people don't generally use it for DPS rotation since Aetherflow has a CD, of which there are better uses for the Aetherflow stack.

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Originally Posted by desufin

Haha what the heck am I reading? It's like the special olympics of who can come up with the dumbest statements of the year.

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Congratulations, you win the trolling award for contributing absolutely nothing to the thread.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

and people don't generally use it for DPS rotation since Aetherflow has a CD, of which there are better uses for the Aetherflow stack. .

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Which people? And which supposedly better uses?

To recap, Lustrate doesn't (shouldn't) need to be spammed Soil is a waste of a stack outside of specific situations, and Bane, while essential for AoE, obviously isn't used for single-target.

O.O I didn't expect to cause such a furore by saying that Energy Drain IS a damaging spell. And I agree it isn't part of a SCH's basic DPS rotation, it's more situational than that. Aetherflow is off cooldown but you have a charge still; Energy Drain does very nice damage AND it gives you some MP back. Better than wasting that charge IMO. But mostly I use it to help out the DPS in situations like the adds phase in Tamtara HM's last boss. They die before they reach the centre, I have to heal less! And if one of the players is a newish 50, a big Red Wedding can take them out