Dear Devs, can you let us know if the Aesthetician will allow Au Ra to change Limbal?

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

This right here. Its not a matter of should or shouldn't its a matter of how it fits in the customization sections of the current system.

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It should be both. Either the aesthetician has the ability to change eyes or he doesn't. Sometimes I don't even know why they bother attempting to have lore around these things.

What about the option to have 2 different coloured limbal rings? I've always envied irl people who have heterochromic eyes and made my character just that. So having same coloured limbal rings for 1 eye and not the other really killed it for me to have it as an option (unless I somehow missed the option in Benchmark... ><).

Also on the subject of Aesthesian, when will the Developers allow for multiple face paint? I've been wanting eyeshadow + blush for the longest time. :3

A collaboration between Ishgardian Alchemists and Ul'dahn Alchemists yields a special kind of colored lens.
When applied to the eyes, your eyes will appear a different color.

These same Alchemists devised a second type of lens that are capable of hiding or enhancing the coloration of an Au Ra's Limbal Rings.


BAM. Lore reason. \o/

Oh yeah! I would love to have separate limbal ring colors then I could actually do my own eyes! (one is blue with a ring of brown, the other is brown with a ring of blue.)

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Originally Posted by Sylve

A collaboration between Ishgardian Alchemists and Ul'dahn Alchemists yields a special kind of colored lens.
When applied to the eyes, your eyes will appear a different color.

These same Alchemists devised a second type of lens that are capable of hiding or enhancing the coloration of an Au Ra's Limbal Rings.


BAM. Lore reason. \o/

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Which is totally cool. I just feel if this is possible, all races (including Au Ra) should be able to change their base eye colour. Au Ra can still change limbal rings as their extra.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Reminds me of what happens in a lot of games when new classes/jobs/characters/rigs are introduced.

The new guys get everything fancy, even new things that where not technically possible before. Perhaps the designers are now more experienced and want to avoid mistakes of the past. And this is all good and dandy, except it only works forward. As in, typically speaking, the old never gets updated to the new.

Rare are the companies that will update something that "Doesn't sell anymore". Basically, Au'ra will be their Cash cow for quite some time, and all the other races will continue falling behind. And then it'll happen to the Au'Ra too, once the next race is designed with even better features that not even the Aura will have.

But there is an ever more bitter side of this, and it's when the older models can actually use the new assets, but are "Held back" to further milk the new cash cow, and only released later as a "Magical upgrade we worked hard for" to bring everyone in line. And this, is what annoys me of the current issue at hand. I am 100% positive the assets to make this change is there, but will be held back until they've milked their new child for a while.

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What in the world are you even going on about? The only thing unique about the new race is a little ring in their eyes and some horns with scales. They aren't really anything that special. Honestly, I don't even care for them personally.

I think you're really overreacting. What exactly makes them so incredibly special and advanced versus the other races?

MOUTHMOUTH!!

Can we all get a butt slider to get old FFXIV butts back now?

Miqotes really need it :(

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Originally Posted by Adire

Can we all get a butt slider to get old FFXIV butts back now?

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Oh yes. I do want. Why have they never ever changed this? Its been a request since... since Phase 1 ARR Beta?

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Originally Posted by Iromi

It does not make sense to be able change limbral ring color but not eye color.

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This so much. I don't know why they don't add eye color at the list really... we can use lenses in real life so why cant we change eye color in game? -_-

The more the Aesthetician can change the less reason for the Fantasia purchases.

I myself would love more control over changes. Sometimes I would like to change eye color. Sometimes height. Sometimes skin color. So I would like it. But I can see why they have such a strict control over what can and can't be changed.

I too would love to change my eye color >.>

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Originally Posted by Shiki_Lockhart

This so much. I don't know why they don't add eye color at the list really... we can use lenses in real life so why cant we change eye color in game? -_-

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Barring magical alchemical stuff (which is what fantasias are, let's not kid ourselves here) there's no existing technology to produce contact lenses that would be practical for adventuring.
Namely, plastic is not a thing in eorzea, so the contact lenses would have to be glass. The contact lenses we have now in the real world are slightly uncomfortable if they so much as move...can you imagine the damage glass ones would cause?
...you don't, actually, since glass contact lenses have been around as long as the technology to create them has been. The damage they can cause is pretty well documented.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Namely, plastic is not a thing in eorzea, so the contact lenses would have to be glass.

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The Garleans have robots and other machines, to the likelihood is high that they have developed plastics, and as Eorzea does have access to a lot of Garlean advancements by way of Cid's Ironworks (not to mention captured enemy technology and black market trade), there plenty of room in the lore to allow for contact lenses, if we want them to be available from our aesthetician. It's just a matter of SE allowing it to happen.

I wouldn't count on it happening, though; I'd guess eye color change is a big part of the market for Fantasia, and gotta keep those dollars rollin' in!

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Barring magical alchemical stuff (which is what fantasias are, let's not kid ourselves here) there's no existing technology to produce contact lenses that would be practical for adventuring.
Namely, plastic is not a thing in eorzea, so the contact lenses would have to be glass. The contact lenses we have now in the real world are slightly uncomfortable if they so much as move...can you imagine the damage glass ones would cause?

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Care to explain the lore reason as to why the Aesthetician can change limbal ring colours, then?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Care to explain the lore reason as to why the Aesthetician can change limbal ring colours, then?

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<headcannon>
Have you guys not seen eyeball tattooing?
http://janeenscharms.com/wp-content/...2008_large.jpg

On humans its hideous. Clearly some people disagree, no accounting for taste. That pic is not screaming final fantasy esthetic to me though....

The Au'Ra, however, happen to have a limbal ring that takes ink well. (maybe its porus... eww). So eyeball tattooing is easy to do on the limbal ring, and, it looks good there. So the esthetician, who offers each race only what will suite them, will only eyeball tattoo the Au'Ra.
</headcannon>

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

The Garleans have robots and other machines, to the likelihood is high that they have developed plastics

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Actually given their technology level, it's unlikely they have access to plastic. Everything we've seen is metal. Also, they're the enemy. The only reason we have their technology at all is because of Cid.
Plastic was a huge deal and didn't really start showing up until the mid-1800s, with any sort of practical contact lenses not showing up until 1887.
It's generally understood that the Garleans represent "industrial revolution" level technology with a few liberties likely due to magic. Basically, they don't have plastics widely available but it's entirely possible some Garlean chemists have come up with it in a lab somewhere.
But again they're GARLEAN chemists. This is literally akin to us living in the Wild West while some guy in Germany invents contact lenses. They just aren't going to get to us with any decent speed, ESPECIALLY since we're at war.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Care to explain the lore reason as to why the Aesthetician can change limbal ring colours, then?

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Cuz they're basically tattoos as Aizzi pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Still makes more sense than drinking a potion to change race and gender, honestly.

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Oh god, here we go...


*clicks on final page*

*people arguing about lore and practical limits on character changes*



*Sigh*....yep.


Fantasia is lore'd into the game because they made it a feature, but the feature is clearly not designed to be accessible, which is why it's behind a $$$ price tag on the mogstation, and not just a 2,000,000 gil untradable purchase, which could have worked equally as well as a limiting feature. There's no point bringing up its lore backing, while also pretending to ignore how limited a feature it's intended to be.

You make your character, you get 1 vial of failsafe if you want to look different. After that, either cough up the $$$ or live with your character. There's really no weight to gender, race, regional traits or facial features if you can literally change them at your whim. That is so lame.


The devs DO NOT want you changing your structural appearance or your name, but they allow you to because you'll pay to do it. End of story. The lore is built around this more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Hyouretsuzan

The jealousy in this thread is high.

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it's not jealousy, it's the fact they lied and said the guy could change eye colours upon release and lied. he's still messing with the eyeballz! implement the eye colour changing for everyone. it's only fair. (on.mobile.)

Frankly if you're allowed to change scars on your face, just open up all options to change, because why not? Who cares if there is no lore justification? For real. I'd like the ability to change skin tone, as well, but not so much that I'd ever spend $10 to do so.

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Originally Posted by Kanti

Frankly if you're allowed to change scars on your face, just open up all options to change, because why not? Who cares if there is no lore justification? For real. I'd like the ability to change skin tone, as well, but not so much that I'd ever spend $10 to do so.

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I see the camel still wants more than it's nose in the tent.

This is the problem. If not eyes, then way not skin colour too. If not skin colour, then why not horns too? But seeing as it's face restricted, then that means we'll need to make all races able to change their face, because there will always be someone that complains that Au Ra suddenly have 1 extra option that they dont have.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

If not skin colour, then why not horns too? But seeing as it's face restricted, then that means we'll need to make all races able to change their face, because there will always be someone that complains that Au Ra suddenly have 1 extra option that they dont have.

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Who? Why? I recall them saying that Au Ra would be highly customizable and accepted then and there that they'd probably have more options. Turns out they don't seem much more customizable at all, but oh well. People want horns separate from faces because they like a particular face but not the horns with it. You have to compromise with one or the other. I really don't care if they open up all options, even height, breast size, tails, what have you because why not, other than a potential loss in Fantasia sales? I think Fantasia will always have a place in swapping races. Asking for more options like beards other races have falls under the same category as asking for new hairstyles. But I'm not asking for things other races have. I'm only asking for the ability to change what I have on my current race.

Nobody's perfect. Let's make things better.

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Originally Posted by Kanti

Who? Why?

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Originally Posted by Adire

Well I hope we get some extra changes for other races. Won't be fair if Au Ra get to change those things, but others don't get to change unique aspects of their race.

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My point is that there has to be a line somewhere. And that line is where it is now. I really don't want to get to the stage where you can just Fantasia for 2000gil at the Aesthetician.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Because that someone has to be you, right? Seriously...

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Don't put words in my mouth. Tell me who has a problem with it, and why, for a good reason. Trying to keep an equal amount of customization options across the board only limits everything. Why would anyone fight having more options rather than embrace it? It's not even the same argument or problem. I'm talking about the option to change what you already have.

The "but it's not possible to change your eye colour" argument is old and silly in a world with magic, and race/gender change BUT even if you want to insist on that... ever heard of contact lens ?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

The devs DO NOT want you changing your structural appearance or your name, but they allow you to because you'll pay to do it. End of story. The lore is built around this more than anything.

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Underrated post. Be grateful you can change ANYTHING at all without paying real money for it.

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Originally Posted by Kanti

Don't put words in my mouth. Tell me who has a problem with it, and why, for a good reason. Trying to keep an equal amount of customization options across the board only limits everything. Why would anyone fight having more options rather than embrace it? It's not even the same argument or problem. I'm talking about the option to change what you already have.

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Apologies, I appear to of misinterpreted the intention of bolding part of my post. Your immediate questioning and then seemingly going on the defensive led me to believe that was the case. I have edited out the implication.

As I've said in other threads, more options is always better. I just don't think shifting everything over to the Aesthetician is a good idea. I make a character, that is my identity in the game, I can change things about the way I look just like I can IRL, with a few exceptions. This is an MMORPG, and I think being able to drastically change your appearance at a whim without any real costs or penalties goes against that.

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Originally Posted by Kanti

People want horns separate from faces because they like a particular face but not the horns with it.

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I agree that it would be nice if this option was made available (although I am 100% set with what I have created).

Actually, we need more of everything!

The b2p MMO I just left allowed you to change everything about your character with in game money or with a voucher you could get every 3 days, as well as the option to pay real money.

Why can't we do something similar here, when we're paying a subscription?

Changing eye color at a barbershop is a really stupid idea. Just the thought makes me gag on the implications. >_> Sounds like a painful process.

Contact lenses would be nice, since we seem to be throwing other things into this. My biggest gripe is that the mole/beautymark on highlander woman can only be on the right side of your face such a odd restriction

Haven't bothered to read the thread but I have an easy explanation of why eyes could be changeable by the aesthetitian. Glamours are all over the realm right? Sylphs do them, voidsent do them, basically everyone has some capability with glamours even if they are easily breakable. Eye color can be changed by having Jandelaine cast a very minor glamor on your iris. Done, lore friendly as far as I can tell and everyone has more options!

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Originally Posted by NozomiKei

Eye color can be changed by having Jandelaine cast a very minor glamor on your iris. Done, lore friendly as far as I can tell and everyone has more options!

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I wouldn't exactly call it lore friendly since he's displayed no mystical powers besides ninja-like reflexes. To put it another way, he uses all "practical effects."
Adding and removing scars can be done even in real life with adequately applied make-up, something an aesthetician like Jandelaine can be expected to do easily. Contact lenses, though...let's just say there's a reason the abhorrent idea of trying to inject dyes into peoples' eyes to change the colors was even considered before practical contact lenses were developed.
Hint: Didn't work.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Changing eye color at a barbershop is a really stupid idea. Just the thought makes me gag on the implications. >_> Sounds like a painful process.

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Your options in a society that hasn't developed safe contacts is either needles jammed into your eyes, or tiny shards of glass stuck to your eye with either a beeswax like substance or a whim and a prayer.
Not suited for the battlefield. The worst that can happen with make-up and hair dye is it runs or smudges. Meanwhile remember what happens when a contact SLIGHTLY shifts in real life...
*escapes a billowing explosion* OH GOD MY CONTACT SHIFTED! CAN'T SEE!

And why shouldn't we believe Jandelaine can use magic like just about everybody else?

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Originally Posted by NozomiKei

And why shouldn't we believe Jandelaine can use magic like just about everybody else?

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What "everybody else"? Magic isn't all that common among the people, it just seems that way. Plenty of people have no magic aptitude at all. Part of the THM quest deals with that, and the CNJ quest makes a point that Raise is an exceptionally powerful and rare spell for non-Padjal. Lore-wise, there's only about 6 actual black mages, 2 Summoners, and about half a dozen White Mages including the player.
If body altering magic were at all common, we'd have spies all around us. So far the only beings we've seen use magic to alter physical bodies have been Primals, Sylphs, and certain Voidsent.

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Originally Posted by NozomiKei

And why shouldn't we believe Jandelaine can use magic like just about everybody else?

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Many of the "everybody else" use prisms, not magics.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

What "everybody else"? Magic isn't all that common among the people, it just seems that way. Plenty of people have no magic aptitude at all. Part of the THM quest deals with that, and the CNJ quest makes a point that Raise is an exceptionally powerful and rare spell for non-Padjal. Lore-wise, there's only about 6 actual black mages, 2 Summoners, and about half a dozen White Mages including the player.
If body altering magic were at all common, we'd have spies all around us. So far the only beings we've seen use magic to alter physical bodies have been Primals, Sylphs, and certain Voidsent.

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Don't forget the dragons. Part of the reason the Ishgardians are so xenophobic and paranoid is because dragons DO regularly shapeshift and infiltrate them.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Many of the "everybody else" use prisms, not magics.

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http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...ft%29_Icon.png Grade 1 Glamour Prism (Eyes) :D