Raids: The Unwritten Rule?

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Originally Posted by Gralna

No, other healer was just being a drama queen, and rest of your party wasn't much better. If a piece of gear is an actual upgrade for you, imo, you have highest priority for it over other people who want it for glamour/seals/desynth/etc.

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Seriously, why would your party even get mad at you for that?

They should be mad at the idiot that ragequit, not at the OP.

claimed loot is a word of mouth sort of thing. if everyone agrees to it, then it would be stealing.

but you never were told of this agreement, therefore it's fair game. ignorance is a bliss.

you help down the boss and you get equal rights to the loot plain and simple.

I would defend and hug the lala :D
You shouldn't worry, there's no unwritten rule

There's no rule at all about loots in CT/ST/WoD. even if it's not an upgrade for you, you can loot it for glamour or whatever.

losing the roll to the others? deal with it, losers. can't blame anyone but the RNG god.

There's no unwritten rule in DF. If you need a piece of gear for any reason, it is up to you how you choose to roll on it if you have the ability to roll need. Anyone else's need of it doesn't automatically trump yours. There are polite gestures you could make by greeding or passing if you see that someone else needs a drop for an immediate upgrade when you don't, but that those players were willing to act that way over you winning something that was an upgrade for you just goes to show how inconsiderate they were. They threw a fit, you didn't do anything wrong on your end.

Some people make it their unwritten rule to cry/whine everytime they lose a roll - but in the end, they still won't get the piece.

ROLL HIGHER NEXT TIME.

I roll because I can.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I roll because I can.

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Some Lalafells just want to watch the world burn.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Some people make it their unwritten rule to cry/whine everytime they lose a roll - but in the end, they still won't get the piece.

ROLL HIGHER NEXT TIME.

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Off topic but I wish I did this...lost a good roll of 95 to 99...

I think you should not able roll loot if you do not join for the battle because there is almost always few slackers that sit at the starting point then pick up loot after fight is over and see zero effort into it.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

...Do raids have an unwritten rule, where if you join a group in progress, you can't roll on upgrades? Is it considered "stealing" to outroll someone?

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Plan to go back and read the other replies, but replying before i forget to.

Welcome to 'World of Dingus'. The healer that left probably would have left if ANY piece other than the one he/she was looking for had dropped anyways. Depending on when you run it, you can see this alot-tons of DCs right after loot drops from a boss....

Anyways, tell you what my buddy told me when i started WoD and he was teaching me the mechanics, "Lot all the things!" If you can lot it and you were there for it to fall from boss, you should lot. So much drama happens there, i wouldn't let that situation bother you.


That said though, if you you ever can 'Need' something and you don't really need it for anything other than glamour or completionism(real word?), that's the time you may want to 'Greed' it or just abstain if someone speaks up and say they are looking for it. And that is only if you choose to do that, because-again-if you can lot it you aren't breaking any unspoken rule by doing so.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I think you should not able roll loot if you do not join for the battle because there is almost always few slackers that sit at the starting point then pick up loot after fight is over and see zero effort into it.

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There are also impatient people who pull bosses even though they see a person moving on the map but slightly too far to reach the room in time. It wouldn't be fair to be loot locked because you grabbed water or opened the door and arrive 20 seconds later than the rest.

I would guess you accidentally rolled on the piece that dropped when you joined. chances are it was still up there maybe you did not notice. I don't see any other reason the people would get mad.

Honestly, if someone were to join in progress, end up being locked out of a boss and win the subsequent roll on a need...I'd be ok with it.

sure you didn't technically "earn" anything but this is just a game and there's no rule prohibiting you from doing so.

I would need/greed on something in the same scenario depending on how long I've been waiting for a specific drop.

I would have a problem if you needed, won the roll and then dropped. But that should go without saying.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Leaving in a huff because you didn't get the drop you wanted though...that's inconsiderate.

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Nah that's just being an enormous cry baby

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

claimed loot is a word of mouth sort of thing. if everyone agrees to it, then it would be stealing.

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That's not what 'stealing' means...

Well, I don't think I missed the loot icon appearing. I got out of WoD a few hours ago and realized that the fight I was gated from wasn't actually a boss, and it didn't really have any loot drops.

Thanks for the help~

Grats on the upgrade!

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Originally Posted by Gralna

No, other healer was just being a drama queen, and rest of your party wasn't much better. If a piece of gear is an actual upgrade for you, imo, you have highest priority for it over other people who want it for glamour/seals/desynth/etc.

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Unless you go in as a full premade party with loot allocated before hand, then yes, you have 100% right to roll on what ever you want.

If you go in as a full premade with agreed upon rules and break them, then youre a douche and tis reportable ^_^

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Originally Posted by dayspring83

That's not what 'stealing' means...

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If everybody agrees to it in chat (such as in /party, not in something like teamspeak) it is actually against the rules to steal it and you can be reported for it. This is why sale groups work the way they do (beyond word of mouth that "x group are scammers!").

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Originally Posted by Zaft

If everybody agrees to it in chat (such as in /party, not in something like teamspeak) it is actually against the rules to steal it and you can be reported for it. This is why sale groups work the way they do (beyond word of mouth that "x group are scammers!").

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Except that doesn't work if you're getting people via DF. Even if you queue as a premade group and agree on loot rules, but someone drops out and you replace them with a random from DF, you don't get to dictate your loot rules to them. Well, you can, but they can also tell you to cram it and they'll roll on what they want to.

Sounds like fair game to me, since nobody told you in advance.
Even if they did tell you, you don't necessarily need to agree to it. Though then you run the risk of simply being kicked for having a different playstyle.