SE plz nerf zodiac quest ....

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Originally Posted by Songi

If you want a 135 weapon badly enough run T13. With echo you can make some of the stupidest mistakes and still clear.

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I dont really need the weapon it's just there is nothing else todo till 3.0. i have my 2 main jobs war/sch geared for t13 ( i128 and i125 ) maybe just missing a few BIS pieces. i am only trying to finish these quets because i have put so much effort in them and i would like them to completed thats all. i got sch wep almost nexus now, and pld nexsus. so i still have to redo the whole zodiac quest all over again soon after i finish this last dungen.

I want to appologize for my spelling and my rant as well, i just want SE or someone to hear me out, because this is frustraiting.

I am in pheonix server and if there is a new player that need any help with anything i offer my help to u, but i just don't beleave in helping stranger in Duty Finder, it's not social enuf for me sorry.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

exactly this.. i dont understand why so many people complain about or mistreat newer players.. we were all new at some point so its our responsibility to help those newer players not whinge n whine about it

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i got bad new for you...

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Originally Posted by Songi

If you want a 135 weapon badly enough run T13. With echo you can make some of the stupidest mistakes and still clear.

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LOL it's so true, we've succeeded on some of the sloppiest runs ever with Echo.

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Originally Posted by starLivitation

I want to appologize for my spelling and my rant as well, i just want SE or someone to hear me out, because this is frustraiting.

I am in pheonix server and if there is a new player that need any help with anything i offer my help to u, but i just don't beleave in helping stranger in Duty Finder, it's not social enuf for me sorry.

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1) SE is more likely to pay attention to you if you proofread your writing. I know I keep harping on this, but if the average player is writing off what you're saying because of your spelling, so will the people you're trying to reach.

2) The very existence of DF is to match people with strangers to fill one or more roles you may not be able to get otherwise. If you don't want to help strangers, don't use the feature designed to help strangers. Because you're going to get strangers! What you're doing is like riding the bus and complaining that you have to share the bus with strangers.
In other words, the DF is working as intended and they're NOT going to change it. Complaining about having to run the same dungeon dozens of times? (one friend of mine counted about 40 runs of Qarn, another counted about 30 of AV. I was there for about 6 of them) Sure, go ahead. That's annoying, and I actually agree with you (drop rate should be 50% imo. Enough to where there's a random element and you could end up running a few times and not getting it, thus encouraging what they WERE going for, but not bad enough that you'd end up running the dungeon enough to finish a Nexus) Complaining about having to do it with strangers, some of whom may not understand the dungeon, when you use the DF? That's NOT worth complaining about.
The phrase "Working as intended" gets thrown around a lot as a joke, but in this case it's spot-on: The DF is working as intended.

It's more than likely going to get nerfed on Heavensward anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

LOL it's so true, we've succeeded on some of the sloppiest runs ever with Echo.

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Even before Echo you could make a ridiculous amount of mistakes and still win. Before 2.56, I had a run where people in my group died a combined total of 13 times. THIRTEEN TIMES. And we STILL beat the enrage.

Back on topic: We're in the lull before the expansion. Don't wanna do it? Don't do it. Don't have anything else to do? Take a break and come back when 3.0 drops. We can't convince you to do it if you don't want to. Maybe they'll nerf Zodiac stage in the next few weeks, maybe they won't. At this point I don't think we'll be able to get them to do it guaranteed unless this thread gets a significant amount of attention.

Time-sinks in an MMO? Madness!
People really need to get over themselves. The Zodiac quests aren't hard, just time-consuming; which again, in an MMO, is the standard. Your ranting makes you sound like you're entitled to the drop because you had some fresh players in a few runs, but you're not entitled to it because RNGeezus said so.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

I just would like to see the books changed to 1 book per status...vs 10 books and I would be ok with it.

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As someone who said, "Screw it," when it came to this horrible weapon quest-line because I want to actually have fun when I get home from working, I wonder how this makes the people who no-lifed feel...I mean, that's a lot of work just to scrap. They deserve a reward or something in my opinion. Maybe a title like, "No-lifing Since 1.0!" (Or something else for the touchy, easily offended peoples).

I've said this before in another thread, I'll say it again.

The Relic quest line was designed to be completed over a long period of time. It's only normal to feel annoyed if you're trying to rush it.

And they are already nerfing the quest line gradually (Nexus part is already nerfed). I wouldn't be surprised if the Zodiac part gets nerfed in 3.0 just for people who are doing it for glamour or as a souvenir.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

I've said this before in another thread, I'll say it again.

The Relic quest line was designed to be completed over a long period of time. It's only normal to feel annoyed if you're trying to rush it.

And they are already nerfing the quest line gradually (Nexus part is already nerfed). I wouldn't be surprised if the Zodiac part gets nerfed in 3.0 just for people who are doing it for glamour or as a souvenir.

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They shouldn't have such a disparity between how long it takes to get to the next ilvl for weapons versus other gear. It makes zero sense. It's purely based on trying to increase the player's sub-time to the max possible amount of time. Everything in FFXIV is based upon that, and the more I play, the more it shows, and the more it annoys me.

Beast tribe quests, the weapon quests, cross-class skills meant so you have to level other classes for skills (even with bloody crafting, I mean good f*cking lord!), weekly currency locks, and probably more stuff that I'm just not thinking of at the moment. Seriously, a game should not be built around, "What systems can we set in place to try and get players to stay subbed longer no matter how freaking annoying those systems are?"

It should be, "What fun things can we put into the game to make sure players are enjoying themselves?" <- Players would naturally stay subbed if that was their motto instead.

What you want it nerfed cause rng is not nice to you even though you know other people that have completed more then one?

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

They shouldn't have such a disparity between how long it takes to get to the next ilvl for weapons versus other gear. It makes zero sense.

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The relic series is an extra optional path. You do not have to get it at all. You could go for drops in the regular end-game progression and token weapons. The token weapons, especially, are virtually guaranteed weapons. There's no disparity between weapons versus other gear.

The Relic is extra.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

The relic series is an extra optional path. You do not have to get it at all. You could go for drops in the regular end-game progression and token weapons. The token weapons, especially, are virtually guaranteed weapons. There's no disparity between weapons versus other gear.

The Relic is extra.

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So, other weapons go to i135? I was under the impression only relic weapons went to i135. If that's not true than I am misinformed.

My point on how SE implements their systems with sub-time in mind vs. the fun factor, still stands though. The only reason it's the way it is, is to try and get players to stay subbed longer. And that is just a BAD reason.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

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Well the 135 is a reward for sticking with the quest line for so long. But otherwise the relic isn't necessary if you've been following the patch with your progress. As for the sub time...well...it's hard to design fun content that keep drawing people back. I'd be interested if anyone can come up with an actually successful MMORPG that had something "fun" that was making people go back, and that "fun" could, in no way, be seen as just drawing out play time.

I mean, one could argue that any reward based on a probability is there to draw out play time... :(

I'm not defending the way this is. In fact I hate un-capped RNG. But that's just the way it is. The relic, however, is something that can, in reality, be ignored completely without significant drawback on game progression. So I'm willing to accept it as something that's just designed for people who have the time to spare---in which case we may simply not be the group for whom it was designed.

Just like PVP. I don't touch PVP at all. So I don't argue that I should get those PVP gear models in content that I find fun. Those models are designed for people who find PVP fun. That's just how it is.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

So, other weapons go to i135? I was under the impression only relic weapons went to i135. If that's not true than I am misinformed.

My point on how SE implements their systems with sub-time in mind vs. the fun factor, still stands though. The only reason it's the way it is, is to try and get players to stay subbed longer. And that is just a BAD reason.

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Dreadwyrm weapons from The Final Coil of Bahamut - Turn 4, drops i135 weapons. However, the Zodiac Weapons are technically the "most powerful" weapon in the game at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

As for the sub time...well...it's hard to design fun content that keep drawing people back. I'd be interested if anyone can come up with an actually successful MMORPG that had something "fun" that was making people go back, and that "fun" could, in no way, be seen as just drawing out play time.

I mean, one could argue that any reward based on a probability is there to draw out play time... :(

I'm not defending the way this is. In fact I hate un-capped RNG. But that's just the way it is. The relic, however, is something that can, in reality, be ignored completely without significant drawback on game progression. So I'm willing to accept it as something that's just designed for people who have the time to spare---in which case we may simply not be the group for whom it was designed.

Just like PVP. I don't touch PVP at all. So I don't argue that I should get those PVP gear models in content that I find fun. Those models are designed for people who find PVP fun. That's just how it is.

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I am used to RNG in my MMORPGs. I've been playing MMORPGs for a while now, but FFXIV has the worst RNG in any game I've ever played (besides F2P crapware games). Every system seems to involve RNG somehow. Even a mini-game like Triple Triad has it (I literally spent 3 days in a row spamming an NPC to get 30k mgp for something I wanted because the patch that was supposed to increase mgp for winning is total bullcrap and only increased mgp payout by 10-30 mgp for each NPC while also increasing how much mgp it takes to play NPCs, basically making the patch for TT pretty pointless, at least from what I've seen. During those 3 days I only managed to get 3/5 cards the NPC drops). It's a tad ridiculous.